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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Exactly. I'm not sticking my dick in one of those!

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Exactly. I'm not sticking my dick in one of those!

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Yeah, but then I see a guy like Peon, and I get happy in my boy parts. Plus a lesbionic erection, where all the blood rushes to my tongue.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Yeah, but then I see a guy like Peon, and I get happy in my boy parts. Plus a lesbionic erection, where all the blood rushes to my tongue.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
If you had a loved one suffering from anorexia would you help them to see themselves as fat and encourage them to get lyposuction?

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/clarion-call/59565-the-entire-lgbt-narrative-just-crumbled

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

If you had a loved one suffering from anorexia would you help them to see themselves as fat and encourage them to get lyposuction?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

If you had a loved one suffering from anorexia would you help them to see themselves as fat and encourage them to get lyposuction?

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I thought it had been proven that there was a genetic component, along with environmental factors?

It is a bit suspicious that most of the links that emphatically say that there is no evidence for a genetic component to sexual orientation tend to be from Religious or Right wing sources. There are plenty of links from mainstream sources saying that there is good evidence of a genetic component: [This one and This one are the the top 2 results.

As with everything else in science, the only way to find out what the scientific consensus is is to completely ignore the media and the parties interested in promoting a particular view, and spend a lot of time reading about a wide range of the different studies that have been done in more than one peer-reviewed Scientific journal. This is very tedious as they are usually very boring, even for people who are interested in the subject, and you tend to find that scientists are very reluctant to say anything at all, especially emphatically. Their favourite conclusions involve a lot of "Possibly"; "Maybe"; "This could suggest that.."; and of course "We recommend further studies in x,y, z". When scientists in a particular field of study are virtually unanimous and shouting very loudly that something is definitely true (like they are with climate change), then this is extremely unusual and we should perhaps pay more attention to them when they do this than we currently tend to do.

Since I'm too lazy to read scientific journals, I'll just be content that every scientist with a background in any of the biological sciences who I've heard or read on the subject of any aspect of human behaviour, has seemed to treat it as totally obvious that absolutely everything to do with humans is a result of the interaction of both genetic and environmental factors.

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ORIGINAL: Diffident

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

I thought it had been proven that there was a genetic component, along with environmental factors?

It is a bit suspicious that most of the links that emphatically say that there is no evidence for a genetic component to sexual orientation tend to be from Religious or Right wing sources. There are plenty of links from mainstream sources saying that there is good evidence of a genetic component: [This one and This one are the the top 2 results.

As with everything else in science, the only way to find out what the scientific consensus is is to completely ignore the media and the parties interested in promoting a particular view, and spend a lot of time reading about a wide range of the different studies that have been done in more than one peer-reviewed Scientific journal. This is very tedious as they are usually very boring, even for people who are interested in the subject, and you tend to find that scientists are very reluctant to say anything at all, especially emphatically. Their favourite conclusions involve a lot of "Possibly"; "Maybe"; "This could suggest that.."; and of course "We recommend further studies in x,y, z". When scientists in a particular field of study are virtually unanimous and shouting very loudly that something is definitely true (like they are with climate change), then this is extremely unusual and we should perhaps pay more attention to them when they do this than we currently tend to do.

Since I'm too lazy to read scientific journals, I'll just be content that every scientist with a background in any of the biological sciences who I've heard or read on the subject of any aspect of human behaviour, has seemed to treat it as totally obvious that absolutely everything to do with humans is a result of the interaction of both genetic and environmental factors.

I have read the relevant literature as part of my PhD research. That amounted to every journal article in the orthodox 'scientific' literature that related to sex gender or sexuality since the 1950s and some before that. My conclusion was that the self appointed experts didn't have a clue about what they were talking about.

The point where I realised this was after a long period of growing suspicion and disenchantment I came across a journal article about a case of so-called Gender Identity Disorder being "exorcised" by a "faith healer". You will find the relevant journal paper here. You might think: 'What on earth is a scientific journal doing reporting exorcisms by faith healers?' and that is a very good question. The reason, IMHO, is that the so called investigators were so out of their depth and desperate for an explanation of the phenomena they were 'investigating' that any answer, no matter how far fetched, superstitious or obviously unscientific was examined. In everyday language they were clutching at straws, any straw that presented itself.

Nowhere did I encounter any compelling evidence that any kind of human behaviour was genetically determined. Despite thousands of research projects, studies and other attempts that sought to produce such evidence. Every single one of them an abject failure. To this day I am still awaiting the production of such evidence though truth be told I have long since stopped expecting it - it seems an impossible thing to prove to me. But that's just my opinion.

However, until someone can demonstrate conclusively that genetic inheritance can determine some aspect, any aspect of human behaviour, statements asserting the genetic determination of any aspect of human behaviour must remain strictly in the realm of fantasy.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

If you had a loved one suffering from anorexia would you help them to see themselves as fat and encourage them to get lyposuction?

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/clarion-call/59565-the-entire-lgbt-narrative-just-crumbled

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No. Some phycologists accepted the born gay and whatever the book of phycological disorders is called dropped gay. But, no scientific proof. And, as said above, anyone who'd look for a gay gene is vilified. And, that is your science loving left.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
If you had a loved one suffering from anorexia would you help them to see themselves as fat and encourage them to get lyposuction?

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/clarion-call/59565-the-entire-lgbt-narrative-just-crumbled

I'm not sure your point, here.

My niece jumped on my back when she was 12 yrs. old and weighed ~ 120, "I'm getting fat, huh uncle Ed?" I don't remember what I said, I just threw her on the couch like I always did. She lived in my house for a few years when she was younger, and I never preached to her about anything, but did turn her head from the idiotic stuff at the grocery check-out line, etc., and otherwise just accommodated her and her wonderful boisterous spirit. She is, my guess, ~ 135 now, just got married to a skinny guy, both of them 28. My youngest sister is unmistakably ... plump.

I could tell that my mother had a special place in her heart for her first cousin who was 'gay', this being well before that was accepted at all. His parents had no issue with it either, that being another exception for the time. At the wake after my mom's passing, I recall him answering to someone's question: "Well, we sing at my church one week, then we sing at his church the next week." Catholic and Methodist, I think, but point being they didn't give a crap about the theology, they just wanted some place to sing every week, such as to the structure they grew up with, and suiting natural inclination all at once. And yes, he had a tremendous voice that others took note of, just like his hetero dad.


I truly wish this was a more common thing, but if you are afforded the luxury of good family, 'fat' or 'homo' is neither any big issue.

That's who we is, aside from the hetero skinny runts like me.

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No. Some phycologists accepted the born gay and whatever the book of phycological disorders is called dropped gay. But, no scientific proof. And, as said above, anyone who'd look for a gay gene is vilified. And, that is your science loving left.

What do people who study algae know about homosexuality?

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No. Some phycologists accepted the born gay

Holy hell - so being gay is natural - and indeed God made them that way?

Let's see, I was replying to someone and you didn't like the information or that I provided it? It was, after all, information not opinion.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Christians have this way of taking scientific unknowns and using them to 'prove' their points...

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For the sake of argument, why does it matter whether or not sexual preference is biologically determined?

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For the sake of argument, why does it matter whether or not sexual preference is biologically determined?

From where I sit the question is: Is sexual preference determined?

It seems that most people experience their sexual choices as fixed, but there are others for whom this is not the case. There are enough of the latter to call into question whether all humans' sexual preferences are rigidly determined, or whether the objects of our desires are to one extent or another more fluid that is thought in orthodox circles.

One question worth considering here is this: Is the sexual preference of a person who is attracted to more than one gender (aka bisexual) fixed? It seems difficult to argue that it is, especially if sexual preference is classified according the current criterion of gender of object choice.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

If you had a loved one suffering from anorexia would you help them to see themselves as fat and encourage them to get lyposuction?

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/clarion-call/59565-the-entire-lgbt-narrative-just-crumbled