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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 1:54:53 PM   
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Where the hell were you the last 8 years ? The repubs were the ultimate political stonewall for the 6 years they could be, most prolifically demonstrated by blocking Obama's supreme court nominee.

Any repub that even suggested let alone tried to reach out to Obama, had their...hands cut off by the RNC and the caucuses.

Let this country go from a centrist black democrat in the white house to a white RINO who has no hole for his tiny peg, as batshit crazy as they come and now...oh now, yes now kinkroids, we are to 'reach out' to poor Trump now.

Yeaaa right.

If you want dems to start acting AS repubs will debate bills, offer amends. and when they do come to a vote, have some approved.

Then as the whole bill makes it to the floor, vote unanimously against it.

Go back and read for meaning.

I've not complained about the Democrats doing nothing in Congress to support Trump. I simply responded to Butch's question:

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I think a healthy society is one that encompasses both "liberal" and "conservative" values.


I don't know how you can support Trump and support the above. Clinton did the above... Where has Trump reached out to Democrats?

Butch

Butch is the one conflating "liberal" and "conservative" with "Democrat" and "Republican" support for the other party's president.

My point was more of a sociological and philosophical view, saying that "all in" either way isn't healthy, or the most conducive to a free society.

You are simply doubling down on that ideological divide.

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 1:57:17 PM   
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By David Powers

Because “It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood…and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.”


So, this is David Powers admiring Obama, in his own stumbling way, while all the rest of you were hating on him.

Zing.


That statement is either directly from or a paraphrasing of a Teddy Roosevelt quote.

Hence, the quotes he has around the statement.

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 2:00:25 PM   
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It's not that they didn't care -- they voted for other candidates.
Or were independents in states that didn't allow them to vote in the primary.
Limiting $ in a world of PACs (not even to mention Citizens United) would ultimately be pointless.


How did 9% outvote 91%?


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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 2:00:41 PM   
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But for what? He already had everything we all dream of. That's right. Laugh if you like. I dont give a damn. Donald Trump turned his back on endless, unlimited fame, wealth, hedonism, luxury and peace.

Cincinnatus left a plow, not a throne.

Geez, 70 years old and taking 15 months of endless hate and countless death threats, to take a chance at 8 years more! Eight years of every day, from every side, being under unremitting, vicious and downright depraved attack.

His name, his family, his company, his legacy, his health, his pride, his history; his life-both his social and literal life, all of it, thrown on the altar.

All of it gathered up into one giant heap and pushed fearlessly into the middle of the table. Not for fame or wealth or comfort, which he already had in abundance, but because he loves this rotten shell of failing dreams we call America.

Just had to take a moment to respond. This is unmitigated and shameless bull shit.

In what way?

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 2:02:15 PM   
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[NOT] By David Powers

Because “It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood…and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.”


So, this is David Powers admiring Obama, in his own stumbling way, while all the rest of you were hating on him.

Zing.


That statement is either directly from or a paraphrasing of a Teddy Roosevelt quote.

Hence, the quotes he has around the statement.

Firm



yep, teddy roosevelt, had that framed and hanging on my wall for over 40 years.


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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 2:02:51 PM   
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And the Republican Party is doing its best to repeat history.


Maybe something better will come of it.


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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 2:06:10 PM   
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I'd like to take the chance to refocus the discussion back to the original post, about a Trump supporter.

I posted it to give a window into what a lot of Trump supporters feel, and think, and why.

I realize that "many" will see nothing good in those thoughts, but I also have to think that when up to 62 million people hold such beliefs, that there is a real issue that they are addressing, whether or not you are one of the people who cry "racist!" and "homophobe" or some other insult at anyone who disagrees with you.

Your failure to even give a hearing to their beliefs, should warn you of something out of place.

Do all of Trump's opponents believe that there are any major systemic problems in the US (other than Trump, racism, homophobia, etc, etc, etc)?

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 2:10:03 PM   
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There's a lot good in it. But it's a fantasy, not reality.

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 2:13:05 PM   
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explain, and whos fantasy, yours?

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 8/26/2017 2:25:48 PM   
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Last year between the Dems and the repubs there was something like seventeen candidates. I don't believe that Greens and Libertarians are going to garner more votes than the top ten of those. And if I were a DNC chair or RNC chair I'd make a back room agreement with the other to make sure that happened so no third party would siphon off my votes during the general election.


If you can't garner enough support to make it to the Top 10, then, maybe there isn't much of a chance you'd be elected anyway? It won't be solved in one or two election cycles, but eventually there would be spots opening up for 3rd parties. It would help immensely if the media would allow the top 2-4 "minor" parties the opportunity to be part of debates. The Libertarians and Greens both got some air time, and that will help, but there needs to be more mainstream air time.

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 9/1/2017 2:37:10 PM   
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Do all of Trump's opponents believe that there are any major systemic problems in the US (other than Trump, racism, homophobia, etc, etc, etc)?

Firm


Nah, not at all.

The 4.5 millions who lost their homes as ultimate result of financial deregulation and the 8.5 millions who lost jobs thereby just take it in stride. Or at least they should.

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 9/5/2017 8:25:36 PM   
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Do all of Trump's opponents believe that there are any major systemic problems in the US (other than Trump, racism, homophobia, etc, etc, etc)?

Firm


Nah, not at all.

The 4.5 millions who lost their homes as ultimate result of financial deregulation and the 8.5 millions who lost jobs thereby just take it in stride. Or at least they should.




that was obummers watch not trump


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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 9/5/2017 8:32:03 PM   
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But for what? He already had everything we all dream of. That's right. Laugh if you like. I dont give a damn. Donald Trump turned his back on endless, unlimited fame, wealth, hedonism, luxury and peace.

Cincinnatus left a plow, not a throne.

Geez, 70 years old and taking 15 months of endless hate and countless death threats, to take a chance at 8 years more! Eight years of every day, from every side, being under unremitting, vicious and downright depraved attack.

His name, his family, his company, his legacy, his health, his pride, his history; his life-both his social and literal life, all of it, thrown on the altar.

All of it gathered up into one giant heap and pushed fearlessly into the middle of the table. Not for fame or wealth or comfort, which he already had in abundance, but because he loves this rotten shell of failing dreams we call America.

Just had to take a moment to respond. This is unmitigated and shameless bull shit.

In what way?

Firm



yeh I'd like to know what is this so called 'shameless bullshit'? especially since he turned down the wages

unlike the criminal clintons who stole and loaded up all the whitehouse furniture and had it hauled to their house.


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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 9/5/2017 10:39:17 PM   
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Hmm, I had two posts on this thread and now they're gone.

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 9/5/2017 10:49:03 PM   
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I was reading an article on RealClearPolitics by Pat Buchanan, and came across this post in the comments.

I think it sums up a lot of reasons for Trump's resilience with his base, which seems to utterly dumbfound many of the political elite and the leftists.

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By David Powers

Ok, so this got long and worse still, it got sincere. Read it or don't read it, that's your choice but I will speak my mind.

Say what you like, call me all the tedious names you like, I like Donald Trump and admire what he is trying to achieve.

With foes to his Left and Right, and virtually the entire corporate media on his back, he is desperately trying to reverse America's chronic decline.

So I have not a word of criticism for him. Sure he makes gaffes, but In truth, his gaffes are not a bit worse than anyone elses.

And sure he's inexperienced and unpolished, but hell, how many slick fork-tongued career politicians have screwed us over in the past?

Even if he had lost the election I would have tipped my hat to him for even trying.

Because “It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood…and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.”

But he didn't lose. In fact, as every media contrived scandal faded into air, when he ignored it, and every doom mongering poll turned out to be bogus, it took the combined efforts of the entire media elite and over a billion special interest dollars to even hold him to a tight race.

But for what? He already had everything we all dream of. That's right. Laugh if you like. I dont give a damn. Donald Trump turned his back on endless, unlimited fame, wealth, hedonism, luxury and peace.

Cincinnatus left a plow, not a throne.

Geez, 70 years old and taking 15 months of endless hate and countless death threats, to take a chance at 8 years more! Eight years of every day, from every side, being under unremitting, vicious and downright depraved attack.

His name, his family, his company, his legacy, his health, his pride, his history; his life-both his social and literal life, all of it, thrown on the altar.

All of it gathered up into one giant heap and pushed fearlessly into the middle of the table. Not for fame or wealth or comfort, which he already had in abundance, but because he loves this rotten shell of failing dreams we call America.

Because he, unlike so many Americans today, still loves the country that gave his family everything. Loves it enough to pledge his life, his fortune, and his sacred honor to fight for her in her terrible peril.

Be as alpha as you like. Be as silver tongued and fearless as you like. Any of us, anyone else among us, would have long since buckled.

But he hasn't buckled. Far from it. He is continuing to doggedly fight an intransigent Democrat Party, a Liberal-infested Republican Party and a rabidly hostile corporate media, all out to destroy him for their own self-interest.

So I dont care if he ain’t couth. I dont care if he had every wife in Christendom, or missteps ten times or ten thousand times, or doesnt hand me every policy I love on a golden platter.

The more I think of it, the more it moves me. Laugh if you like. I dont give a damn.

There's a story, about Washington. After the war, with no money coming, a number of officers started the Newburgh Conspiracy-plotting a coup. Fascinating stuff, but the gist is this. Washington found out, and went to address them.

He gave a speech-great, beautiful speech-to little effect. In a last attempt, he pulled out a letter from a congressman promising (again) money. Started to read it, and faltered.

He took out his glasses. Something almost none of them had seen him wear. And said: "Gentlemen, you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have not only grown grey but almost blind in the service of my country.”

From anyone else, almost any other man in history that would be grotesque pandering. But Washington was really everything they say he is. And his men, these tough bàstards from Saratoga and Valley Forge, wept. The conspiracy ended.

Call me naive. Call me glory-struck, blind, a sycophant and a fool. I don't care. I never thought Id see a leader like that. I never thought they’d make another. That’s how I feel about Donald From the By God Celebrity Apprentice Trump.

Because, the terrible, terrifying truth is for the second time, for all the warts and wives, we got another man that goddamned GOOD.

A man far, far better than we deserve. Hell, after decades of failure, neglect, tomfoolery and greed, we deserve to get exactly what they say he is. Every filthy lie, every depraved fantasy of the sniveling cowards we call fellow citizens would have been our due.

But by the grace of God, this dying remnant of our gangrenous nation flipped one last card. And it came up a Trump.

And so I'm with him. If he wants me to go to Valley Forge or hell, I’m with him.

And even if he fails, I know that he'll have given it his all. I'll know that all the costs he’ll bear. I'll know that he'll have suffered terribly in one last great attempt to cut a path for us out of the wilderness.

So sneer all you like, laugh all you like, name call all you like, your personal insults are merely sweets for children and bother me not one jot.

Because I'm with him. I'm with him to the end. Be it the bitter end or the glorious end, I'm with him...

I'M WITH HIM ALL THE GOD DAMNED WAY!


What do you think?

Firm

Agree 100%.

You know the qualification to be President in my country is that, you must have experience running a 500million net worth company before, because running our country means being incharge of a surplus of 700billions worth of emergency funds and making sure that money goes up and not down. Definitely I would be horrified if we ever allow a liberal in charge of that fund, or else, it's gonna be frivolously spent on so many welfare things, that, take the US now, poor Texas, estimated needs 160billion to recover or something and the US government is too broke to afford it. This is why every year, when a liberal candidates comes forward and sells us free medical, free education, free everything. We reject him completely because we know he is gonna waste our tax payers money. And we gonna end up as broke as the USA if we allow one of those to rule.

And reality is. No rich guys wanna be President, precisely because they would be giving up their privacy, wealth, hedonism, luxury and peace.

And taking up months of endless hate and countless death threats, to take a chance at 8 years more! Eight years of every day, from every side, being under unremitting, vicious and downright depraved attack.

His name, his family, his company, his legacy, his health, his pride, his history; his life-both his social and literal life, all of it, thrown on the altar.


Trump seriously have given up more than anybody else to serve his country. I know in my country, many who are capable have absolutely refused to lead the country, because they didn't want to give up their own luxurious life. Our President salary is 3.1mil per annum. Much better paid than the US President. But with people in the high networth category, 3.1 mil is nothing and not worth all the grief.

This is the same reason, we would probably never see Bill Gates run for President. He rather do it through money donation and let other people face the tough part of politics.

Everything that Trump is facing now. And yes, it is very admirable. To me, he is an inspiration and the perfect example of what bravery is.

Many of those who have criticized him here for fumbling, would have probably been unable to face what he faced, without crumbling and crying themselves to sleep. IF not, I dare you to be politician and take the heat.

When Trump became President. I have witness the ugliness of Liberal Media rearing their heads. They wanna talk about cyber bullying. Trump is probably the most cyberly bullied person on earth. But for those who got cyber bullied. Trump shows you that he stand strong even when the whole world is against him. And he will push through.

And the real truth is. Liberal Media helped Trump win by bullying him. When you bully people, there are many who suffered bullying in silence who is gonna vote for him.

They made people sympathetic towards Trump by attacking him far too aggressively and unfairly. And many people who were bullied, who never stood up for themselves, feel inspired by Trump who stood up for himself, despite facing continuous vicious attacks. I mean like that dude who put a statue of naked trump with a small penis in the middle of the street. That is seriously under the belt bullying.

And the worst thing is, they are in denial about their actions and their role in creating the undesired outcome of Trump getting voted in. All the negative publicity they gave him for free. Really helped him win.


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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 9/6/2017 3:00:05 AM   
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No Greta, you don't get to play the victim after campaigning as a fascist who actively seeks to divide people and stir up hatred.

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 9/6/2017 4:39:13 AM   
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No Greta, you don't get to play the victim after campaigning as a fascist who actively seeks to divide people and stir up hatred.

I don't see how his campaign divided people at all.

People just didn't want to hear straight talk and wanna stay in denial.

Besides, same as the Nazi protest incident. Just because they are Nazi, do they deserve to be attacked and bullied just because Hitler was evil?

Because if they do, then all Muslims should also deserve to be attacked and bullied because of what ISIS did or what Muhammad? Essentially, there is no difference between Hitler and Muhammad.

The difference is, despite my extreme low opinion of Muhammad. I still don't believe a Muslim should be bullied for being a Muslim.

Whereas you are saying OKAY to bullying in certain circumstances? You know the most autistic people could be the most bullied, because they cannot be diplomatic and piss everyone off around them.

And there is nothing divisive about being against illegal immigrants, and cracking down on Muslim terrorists. It's part and parcel of a country's security.

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 9/6/2017 5:07:35 AM   
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People just didn't want to hear straight talk and wanna stay in denial.

Evidently, or you wouldn't still be making excuses for the guy, would you?

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RE: What is it about Trump ... ? - 9/6/2017 5:56:35 AM   
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No Greta, you don't get to play the victim after campaigning as a fascist who actively seeks to divide people and stir up hatred.

I don't see how his campaign divided people at all.

People just didn't want to hear straight talk and wanna stay in denial.

Besides, same as the Nazi protest incident. Just because they are Nazi, do they deserve to be attacked and bullied just because Hitler was evil?

Because if they do, then all Muslims should also deserve to be attacked and bullied because of what ISIS did or what Muhammad? Essentially, there is no difference between Hitler and Muhammad.

The difference is, despite my extreme low opinion of Muhammad. I still don't believe a Muslim should be bullied for being a Muslim.

Whereas you are saying OKAY to bullying in certain circumstances? You know the most autistic people could be the most bullied, because they cannot be diplomatic and piss everyone off around them.

And there is nothing divisive about being against illegal immigrants, and cracking down on Muslim terrorists. It's part and parcel of a country's security.


You don't see it because you don't understand what you are talking about.
Trump unapologetically pushed the right headfirst into the fascism that it has been courting for decades-- this is not something that a lot of people are willing to embrace on any terms.
On this board you have people openly complaining that they can't say or think racist things without being called a racist, and they're sick of it.
Trump is like the inexcusably bad parent who says 'it's okay, you can do it if you want... I won't judge you because I am like you. Instead, I'll judge these other people who have nothing to do with you'.
It's okay to be a shitty person, because Trump is a shitty person, and he gets to be president.

The Nazis in Charlottesville were attacked, but they also picked that fight by virtue of having a disgusting ideology.
Not all Muslims are extremists, so no, you can't judge non-extremists based on the actions of extremists.

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