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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
An Acolyte brought it to my attention that there may be those among you who are unaware of who and what I am.  I am a Dominant of the 12th Order, a house so ancient, its origins are shrouded in the history of time, although our accomplishments are not, as we are the most respected house in all of Europe. 

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

To the elegance, refinement, class and rituals that SM once was 50 or so years ago? How did it get to the point of, blatant crudeness, vulgarity and disrespect for others?
 
Once there were rituals, long term training, etiquette----where did all that go? and how do we as a community begin to bring that dignity and elegance back?

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I just want to learn to act and move like a Geisha (without having my feet bound). 

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

To the elegance, refinement, class and rituals that SM once was 50 or so years ago? How did it get to the point of, blatant crudeness, vulgarity and disrespect for others?
 
Once there were rituals, long term training, etiquette----where did all that go? and how do we as a community begin to bring that dignity and elegance back?

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 CrappyDom said:  I think it is time once again....

For those who do not know of me

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
An Acolyte brought it to my attention that there may be those among you who are unaware of who and what I am.  I am a Dominant of the 12th Order, a house so ancient, its origins are shrouded in the history of time, although our accomplishments are not, as we are the most respected house in all of Europe. 

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314
To the elegance, refinement, class and rituals that SM once was 50 or so years ago? How did it get to the point of, blatant crudeness, vulgarity and disrespect for others?

Once there were rituals, long term training, etiquette----where did all that go? and how do we as a community begin to bring that dignity and elegance back?

When was this again?

Is this more of the "Golden Age" that folks in all parts of life have longed for since at least as long written documents have been around?

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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
An Acolyte brought it to my attention that there may be those among you who are unaware of who and what I am.  I am a Dominant of the 12th Order, a house so ancient, its origins are shrouded in the history of time, although our accomplishments are not, as we are the most respected house in all of Europe. 

Maybe if you posted a profile you wouldn't have to remind us as to who you are.

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ORIGINAL: happypervert

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314
To the elegance, refinement, class and rituals that SM once was 50 or so years ago? How did it get to the point of, blatant crudeness, vulgarity and disrespect for others?

Once there were rituals, long term training, etiquette----where did all that go? and how do we as a community begin to bring that dignity and elegance back?

When was this again?

Is this more of the "Golden Age" that folks in all parts of life have longed for since at least as long written documents have been around?

Yeah, something like that. I think you would recognize it if MH had not forgotten to mention how she used to travel to her castle in the clouds in a gilded carriage drawn by winged pink unicorns.

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ORIGINAL: BuxomGoddess714

One word:

THE INTERNET

When I became involved with BDSM 32 years ago, there was no information out there.  I searched thru European newspapers just so I could read what people were into who were like me.  We bought our toys at the hardware store and the pet store.  Now, people see BDSM scenes, get horny, decide they are into BDSM, give themselves a label (or many to cover as much ground as possible in their fake profiles) and INSTANT GRATIFICATION MAGIC just like their Ipod, Microwave, SpaceShuttle, PlayStation and jerking off instead of finding a relationship they are into BDSM.

No, that is NOT how it used to be.

Kid yourselves all you want.  And yes, We control who we surround ourselves with.  So be very picky.

There are just as few TRUE lifestylers in society as there were 30 years ago.  The internet has just made it slightly easier to get in contact with eachother.  But W/we also have to weed thru and listen to alot of BS from weekend warriors, people playing online games in online relationships (what the hell is that all about? BDSM is NOT a fantasy life, it is VERY much about a severe, daily 24 hour reality people), people jerking off, posers, Tops pretending to be Dominant, Bottoms pretending to be submissive, and a whole bunch of people that don't know the difference.  It's not an age thing.  It's a lack of Realness and Truth.  I have met very sincere young people who wanted to learn the Lifestyle.  They submitted to the knowledge of those wiser then they.  THAT is what the lifestyle is about.  The 19 year old girl on here who calls herself "The One True Goddess" and is "Dominating" (scening) with boys for money....  THAT is shameful and disgusting.  The One True Goddess is the Creator of the Universe for people who believe in that.  One doesn't take money to be Who She is.  It's not about scenes.  It's not about sex (DO NOT FLAME ME AND SAY PRO DOMMES DONT HAVE SEX... LOL  ITS ALL ABOUT SEX, JERKING OFF IS SEX GET A REAL JOB).  It is about a 24/7/365 Life and when You live it for 32 years, your close friends will ALL be Doms and/or subs, many with Poly households because it IS a LIFESTYLE.
 
Goddess

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ORIGINAL: happypervert

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314
To the elegance, refinement, class and rituals that SM once was 50 or so years ago? How did it get to the point of, blatant crudeness, vulgarity and disrespect for others?

Once there were rituals, long term training, etiquette----where did all that go? and how do we as a community begin to bring that dignity and elegance back?

When was this again?

Is this more of the "Golden Age" that folks in all parts of life have longed for since at least as long written documents have been around?

Yeah, something like that. I think you would recognize it if MH had not forgotten to mention how she used to travel to her castle in the clouds in a gilded carriage drawn by winged pink unicorns.

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Why do you presume that Crappy has no real time experience?  He has spoken of it extensively on the forums.  Just because he's not looking for a fantasy that doesn't make him less *real*.

• Gidday Mummy" - Winky*
  
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• fancy seeing you in here then, - You got vanilla ice/cream under the name like mine,''
  
• You hate that flavour aye,
  
• i feel much safer with you around  and glad your here.
  
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  ORIGINAL: mistresssavanna
  
  There has been a flood of unusual proportions to the BDSM lifestyle and many of them, simply players.
  
  This is actually quite dangerous, as there are those who engage in unsafe activities with unqualified and inexperienced partners.
  
  The offline community is quite different from the online community and is very traditional in their practices.
  
  The problem occurs when the "players" who proclaim to have extensive knowledge of the lifestyle, take over sites like these.
  
  Then, they are threatened by anyone who adheres to the ways of the Old Guard and Gorean protocol.
  
  I am President of The International Core.  It is an International BDSM group for those individuals interested in preserving and observing the protocol of what W/we call Traditional BDSM.
  
  This Organization operates both online and offline, with the TIC annual Bash to occur on September 30, in New York, New York at one of the oldest S&M clubs in Manhattan.  It is co-sponsored by another well-known fetish organization that has existed for decades.
  
  The group has multiple objectives, including education and safety, and the political agenda is quite radical.  There is much more, but, I would like to make clear that there is no fee for membeship.  This is not a sales ad and membership is by invitation only.  Not everyone is suitable, nor would they desire to become a member.
  Those who are interested may contact Me, if they wish.
  
  This is an issue of safety, and these growing numbers will be a problem without responsible individuals, experienced in the lifestyle, looking out for the newbies.
  
  There must be a place for serious D/s relationship seekers to obtain accurate information and meet safely.
  
  
  Warmest regard,
  
  Mistress Savanna
  

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ORIGINAL: Spunkin

• Gidday Mummy" - Winky*
  
• 
  
• fancy seeing you in here then, - You got vanilla ice/cream under the name like mine,''
  
• You hate that flavour aye,
  
• i feel much safer with you around  and glad your here.
  
• 
  
• love you.
  
• frm - spunkin.
  
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  ORIGINAL: mistresssavanna
  
  There has been a flood of unusual proportions to the BDSM lifestyle and many of them, simply players.
  
  This is actually quite dangerous, as there are those who engage in unsafe activities with unqualified and inexperienced partners.
  
  The offline community is quite different from the online community and is very traditional in their practices.
  
  The problem occurs when the "players" who proclaim to have extensive knowledge of the lifestyle, take over sites like these.
  
  Then, they are threatened by anyone who adheres to the ways of the Old Guard and Gorean protocol.
  
  I am President of The International Core.  It is an International BDSM group for those individuals interested in preserving and observing the protocol of what W/we call Traditional BDSM.
  
  This Organization operates both online and offline, with the TIC annual Bash to occur on September 30, in New York, New York at one of the oldest S&M clubs in Manhattan.  It is co-sponsored by another well-known fetish organization that has existed for decades.
  
  The group has multiple objectives, including education and safety, and the political agenda is quite radical.  There is much more, but, I would like to make clear that there is no fee for membeship.  This is not a sales ad and membership is by invitation only.  Not everyone is suitable, nor would they desire to become a member.
  Those who are interested may contact Me, if they wish.
  
  This is an issue of safety, and these growing numbers will be a problem without responsible individuals, experienced in the lifestyle, looking out for the newbies.
  
  There must be a place for serious D/s relationship seekers to obtain accurate information and meet safely.
  
  
  Warmest regard,
  
  Mistress Savanna