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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 6:46:33 AM   
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I never said we're good, we're not. We're bad _________s. But those a**holes across the way want to kill us, they're advertising that fact on a billboard, and that billboard has been saying the same thing for about 1500 years.



K.............give us the location of the billboard, or a cite in the Koran, throw us a bone here dog, or it will appear that your house is made of straw.


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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 6:49:25 AM   
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It would appear to be the reasoning power of a fuckin' icecube at first blush...let me think on that.  I am sure it is profound.


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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 6:59:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing is Sanity, unless youre saying what I think youre saying, then really youre not saying a great deal above what I suggested.

It seems to me that you dont have any appreciation for what happened in the decades pre 9/11, and so are fixated with the idea that all this antagonism has come from nowhere, generated by evil mullahs and the like, on whom all blame must be placed, whilst our side is whiter than white.

Please, explain clearly what your position is so that even with my limited powers of comprehension, I can understand and respond.

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 7:07:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just passing through today.  Not enough time to really debate why Lady Ellen places all of the blame for our current war on the United States.  Suffice it to say that liberalism is the cancer that eats away at this country.  What LadyEllen ignores is that every country in Europe is having tremendous problems with Islamo-facism: Spain, England, Germany, Italy to name a few.  Slovakia DOES NOT have a problem with it because they don't trade with the middle east and,  equally notable, there aren't any middle easterners in Slovakia  Yup, getting into Slovakia as a middle easterner is about as tough as breaking out of Attica.  But even if the United States stopped trading with that region altogether, does anyone think this country won't suffer from future acts of terrorism?

Islamo-facism seeks the destruction of western culture.  LadyEllen can blame this country all she wants.  Possibly LadyEllen can set forth the reasons why they hate us rather than some blanket, catch-all phrase like "our foreign policy."   Sure, we set up the Shah of Iran and he went a little daft and we should have been the ones to remove him.  We didn't.  We backed the Shah, failing to see the rise of Fundamentalist Islam.  Our mistake...we backed an ally.  Remember, however, he governed the country for 23 years and basically brought Iran into the 20th century.  What are our other big mistakes?  Israel?  We didn't create Israel.  Should Israel not have been created?  I ask this to LadyEllen.  After the Holocaust, should Israel not have been created or simply not    way it was?  Do our trade practices with that region explain why Iran's hostage taking President denies that the Holocaust ever happened?

People here say we are over there for the oil but that is a tired and ridiculous spew.  If we are there for the oil, why haven't we raped the country the way the Nazis raped France and Russia?  Why aren't we glutted with oil?  Where is the endless line of oil tankers headed for America from the Persian Gulf?   It mystifies me how many people are so quick to blame this country which has been the greatest creator of freedom in world history.  The living standard of the entire world has prospered because of this country (and NAFTA which I did not support).  

As far as Pelosi going to Syriah, that was great.  She undermined the administration and she showed thousands of women in that country that, even for an American woman, it is proper to cover their heads just like their religious leaders and husbands have been telling them to for hundreds of years.  Hopefully Pelosi will go to Afghanistan, start wearing a Burka (sp?) and continue doing it once she gets back to the U.S. 

Yup...Pelosi's visit was VERY entertaining to our enemies in that region.  I underscored our lack of unity and our willingness to cow down before a superior force.  And they ARE a superior force.  They have the force of will....and we don't.

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 7:10:03 AM   
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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 7:14:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The logic and intelligence of the argument escapes me for the moment.

It would appear to be the reasoning power of a fuckin' icecube at first blush...let me think on that.  I am sure it is profound.


Ron



Try harder Ron.

Think.

You claim that only ruthless dictator types can handle what you seem to be calling "those animals". But yet, if a few bad apple soldiers get out of hand and pull some sorority-type pranks in Abu Graihb you're going to cry foul louder than a woman getting murdered

Wait for it, it'll come to you

Maybe today, more likely tomorrow

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 7:22:28 AM   
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Just passing through today.  Not enough time to really debate why Lady Ellen places all of the blame for our current war on the United States.  Suffice it to say that liberalism is the cancer that eats away at this country.  What LadyEllen ignores is that every country in Europe is having tremendous problems with Islamo-facism: Spain, England, Germany, Italy to name a few.  Slovakia DOES NOT have a problem with it because they don't trade with the middle east and,  equally notable, there aren't any middle easterners in Slovakia  Yup, getting into Slovakia as a middle easterner is about as tough as breaking out of Attica.  But even if the United States stopped trading with that region altogether, does anyone think this country won't suffer from future acts of terrorism?

Islamo-facism seeks the destruction of western culture.  LadyEllen can blame this country all she wants.  Possibly LadyEllen can set forth the reasons why they hate us rather than some blanket, catch-all phrase like "our foreign policy."   Sure, we set up the Shah of Iran and he went a little daft and we should have been the ones to remove him.  We didn't.  We backed the Shah, failing to see the rise of Fundamentalist Islam.  Our mistake...we backed an ally.  Remember, however, he governed the country for 23 years and basically brought Iran into the 20th century.  What are our other big mistakes?  Israel?  We didn't create Israel.  Should Israel not have been created?  I ask this to LadyEllen.  After the Holocaust, should Israel not have been created or simply not    way it was?  Do our trade practices with that region explain why Iran's hostage taking President denies that the Holocaust ever happened?

People here say we are over there for the oil but that is a tired and ridiculous spew.  If we are there for the oil, why haven't we raped the country the way the Nazis raped France and Russia?  Why aren't we glutted with oil?  Where is the endless line of oil tankers headed for America from the Persian Gulf?   It mystifies me how many people are so quick to blame this country which has been the greatest creator of freedom in world history.  The living standard of the entire world has prospered because of this country (and NAFTA which I did not support).  

As far as Pelosi going to Syriah, that was great.  She undermined the administration and she showed thousands of women in that country that, even for an American woman, it is proper to cover their heads just like their religious leaders and husbands have been telling them to for hundreds of years.  Hopefully Pelosi will go to Afghanistan, start wearing a Burka (sp?) and continue doing it once she gets back to the U.S. 

Yup...Pelosi's visit was VERY entertaining to our enemies in that region.  I underscored our lack of unity and our willingness to cow down before a superior force.  And they ARE a superior force.  They have the force of will....and we don't.


 

Some people just don't  get the basic premise that when this guy comes on your TV and hacks off some innocent handcuffed kids' head while screaming "ALLAH AKHBAR"

That isn't Bush's fault, and it doesn't have a thing to do with our foriegn policy, past or present

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 7:26:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Right,  because 'the kid" was an honor student on some foriegn exchange program...It was horrible...But it does have everything to do with our foriegn policy past and present....Icecube is profound.

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 7:33:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, you did the RIGHT? Shit on me, like you know my stance on it. Or like it is a logical conclusion that since you are a butt pyramid anyone else who isn't is stupid.  Quit fuckin around and give us the cite on the billboard.  I gave you a couple to start with, from many----------since the Koran and Christain bible share the pentaeuch, it would seem that the quotes of infidelity would be in both books, now that hardly seems like the fuckin' sky is falling. 

There is nothing in the TOS that forbids ignorance, but there oughtta be.

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 7:36:26 AM   
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Please, dont be under any misapprehension that I feel we should kow-tow to these people, or anyone else for that matter. Please dont be under any illusion that I hold those carrying out atrocities against us as anything more than vile and cowardly murderers.

But look where we are, and how we got here. We can go back to the crusades to examine where Muslim antagonism comes from perhaps, but this is irrelevant when one considers western policy in the Islamic regions of the world in the last century or so. First there was us and the French, carving it all up for our benefit; stealing treasures from Egypt, exploiting their lands and peoples whilst oppressing the latter, and creating the artifice which is Iraq from disparate peoples which is why we have the situation we do now in that country. Meanwhile we and the Dutch were having a great time in Indonesia too. Then post war we British enabled the Islamic regions of India to go there own way, and looked the other way when wholesale slaughter erupted. Then we decided Israel was a good idea and enabled or at least acquiesced to the displacement into the world's largest concentration camps of the former inhabitants. Then we decided to invade to take back Suez. And since then we have enabled the most vile tyrants on earth to rule for our benefit.

Now, it would be wrong to lay all of this at the door of the US, though the US is the most recent and significant player in it all. Britain, France and the Netherlands have all played their parts. The problem being though, that just as we see little difference between a Moroccan and an Iraqi, neither do they see any difference between us and so the anger against us is collective too.

We are now faced with a threat from a source which we cannot extinguish aside from extermination or negotiation.

What do you suggest is the best way forward?

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 7:57:14 AM   
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You claim that only ruthless dictator types can handle what you seem to be calling "those animals". But yet, if a few bad apple soldiers get out of hand and pull some sorority-type pranks in Abu Graihb you're going to cry foul louder than a woman getting murdered


That is PRECISELY why a Constitutional Republic and their Armies are entirely unsuited for Occupation /Constabulary Duties.

Hussein was successful in his role there, for reasons Bush is guaranteed to be unsuccessful.

It's like no-one in the freaking oval office ever picked up a copy of Hourani's "History..."

And I don't the exactly consider a conspiracy by five people to commit the rape and murder of a 14 year old to be "Sorority-type pranks", btw.



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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 7:59:15 AM   
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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 8:03:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, in Condi's case they did.  Apparently Mr. Blackwell felt that the Headscarf and Fuck-Me boots clashed.

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 8:05:32 AM   
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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 8:07:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh Ron! You give me a very naughty idea to go round the mosque (just round the corner from me) - put my headscarf on but otherwise dressed as a tart! I'm thinking red and black lingerie, black stockings and heels. What do you reckon? LOL!

I reckon on several heart failures. I'll call the ambulance before I set out.

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 8:27:30 AM   
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Muslims are amateurs compared to Christians for barbarism.  How many cities have the Muslims incinerated recently?  How many implements of torture have Christian names?  Can you think of any Muslim ones?  How many cultures did Muslims exterminate?  I can't count all the ones Christians wiped from the face of the planet.  How many countries can you name where the natives were wiped out and replaced by Christians or Muslims?  Australia, Canada, United States, New Zealand, and Tasmania to name a few.  How about slavery?  How about wiping out a local population and replacing them with slaves? Haiti, Dominican Republic, and a few other Caribbean islands.

AFRICA...

When was the last time a Muslim nation occupied a Christian one?  Christians have invaded or controlled in the last CENTURY Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Beirut, Iraq, Afghanistan.  How many Western governments have they overthrown?  Most people can't name a Muslim one we haven't overthrown in the last 50 years.

Don't get me wrong, I strongly dislike many of the tenants of the Muslim religion but I don't exactly embrace Christianity all that much either.  However, the face we see on the Muslim religion today is new, brought about by radicalization wrought under Raygun as part of riling them up to go fight the Russians in Afghanistan.  It is CLEARLY not what existed fifty years ago, so to say Muslims are evil or a religion of hatred is pathetically shallow and ignorant.

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 8:35:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		If Pelosi had shown up in a clown suit it couldn't make America's foreign policy any worse.  You average 10th grader in Europe if asked prior to the American invasion of Iraq how it would turn out could have predicted 80%+ of what has gone on.  The 20% error would be due mainly to nobody being able to predict how stunningly incompetent Bush would wage this idiotic war.

How on earth would you "undermine" our foreign policy?  The arabs all thing we are fucking nutz either because they see the naked aggression or they wonder if America has gone insane.  Europeans told us this shit was going to happen and are amazed that now that it has, nobody in the Administration remembers.  They supported us going into Afghanistan and STILL do because it WAS the right thing to do.  They just stood by stunned that we would so stupid as to free the Shia and save Iran.

The whole point of the war was to fuck China and China is laughing at how incompetent we are and signing oil and defense contracts with everyone all over.  Countries are now afraid the US is going to steal their oil and are looking for protection and so choose our worst enemy, China.

So, Pelosi wearing a modesty garment, just as Bush's wife did, just as we forced our female soldiers to do, doesn't bother me a bit.  In fact, it give me a bit of hope for winning this war on the most important battlefield, that of hearts and minds.

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 8:39:51 AM   
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OK, you are making this big huge deal about Nancy Pelosi wearing a Hajib as a show of respect for a holy place, and all of a sudden this makes her somehow bowing to extremists? I am trying to understand your position, but if you choose not to communicate it, that is fine because I only have what you have posted to go on to deduce your position....

If you want to know what demanding people bow to extremists is about, try being a female in the military in Saudi Arabia just a few years ago... they were forced to wear complete and total modesty garments from head to toe that were almost as oppressive as a burka before one woman in the air force stood up to the military and demanded that she be able to wear her uniform... now Pelosi was not forced to wear the hajib... American military women used to be forced to wear worse

here is more
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-04-24-mcsally.htm

Seems the pentagon was prostrating themselves more than Pelosi


Well really, I'm not making as big a deal of this as you and puella and meatcleaver are, I just thought it was interesting to note the irony. You three went hysterical, and are trying everything in the book to defend the indefensible... including this latest tactic, suggesting that it's okay to do something bad as long as someone else did something worse once.

Hmm, is that sound logic...

Sorry, I don't think so. 


Ok... since you deny your own words... here are a smattering of them from this thread alone.
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Especially if she wants that culture to behead her own, as Nancy Pelosi seems to.


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Yeah, I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi putting on a Muslim headscarf and thereby pretending to be some Muslim's slave is going to bring world peace sometime real soon.


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Try, when a Muslim woman wears a bikini, instead. Her penalty for such a crime in Syria and Iran would probably be death. Right?

That would be a much better comparison.



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You don't find it a bit ironic that the first female Speaker of the House prostrates herself before the idea that women must cover themselves while in public?

I do.


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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 9:12:09 AM   
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Just passing through today.  Not enough time to really debate why Lady Ellen places all of the blame for our current war on the United States.  Suffice it to say that liberalism is the cancer that eats away at this country.  What LadyEllen ignores is that every country in Europe is having tremendous problems with Islamo-facism: Spain, England, Germany, Italy to name a few.  Slovakia DOES NOT have a problem with it because they don't trade with the middle east and,  equally notable, there aren't any middle easterners in Slovakia  Yup, getting into Slovakia as a middle easterner is about as tough as breaking out of Attica.  But even if the United States stopped trading with that region altogether, does anyone think this country won't suffer from future acts of terrorism?



You do know you are in orbit somewhere around Jupiter on this one? No European country is having tremendous problems with Islamo-fascism, there is a problem in a couple of countries but even with a little Islamic terrorism the murder rates in those countries are nothing compared to the murder rates in America. America has more to worry about with its criminals than Europe has to worry about with Islamic terrorists.

Slovakia would kill to trade with any damn country who would trade with it, it wouldn't be that fussy because there is nothing there and they have nothing to trade. Any unfortunate person who found themselves in Bratislava (I found myself there for a weekend once) would welcome the excitment of a little Islamo-fascism because the place really needs nuking it is so ugly, so poor and so decrepit but then, they did want independence from Czech and they certainly got it.

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RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/5/2007 9:55:33 AM   
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We all understand that the term invented by the 'loyal bushes',  "Islamo-fascism", is an oxymoron, right?  .... that the principals of Islam and the principals of fascism are diametrically opposed and can not work together, let alone make a word that means anything at all when squished together.. no matter how cool you think it sounds??...

Its like saying some one is a prolife-abortionlover. 

Kids.... try to understand what you are talking about before you use the talking points.  (Not you, meatcleaver)

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