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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 8:46:26 PM   
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 8:49:23 PM   
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peep,
pardon me you called them what?  What you said was extremely offensive and i have found they have an examplary work ethic.  Might be nice to hear an apology at least about the derogatory reference.

minnetar



I'm sorry that criminals are encouraged to be criminals. If you are attempting to put words in my mouth i.e. that "wetback" is somehow a term I'm directing at ALL hispanics you are quite mistaken. My words speak of criminals who are motivated by their governments to commit crime and that hiring these criminals as a business proposition is ill-advised.

Employee productivity and morale is a matter of perspective, my family is in business to optimize profit and in that regard we thought the criminals going on strike last year was quite revealing, and we have profited by it. By the way, the two highschool dropouts I spoke of are both hispanic, and both of their families have been in Texas for over five generations, and quite honestly they despise "wetbacks" for screwing up the economy.


Peep you are young.  Learn to make arguments without using denigrating terminology such as "wetbacks".  You can say other words such as hispanics and get a point across.  Using that terminology totally will invalidate any point you have to say.  Think about it.

minnetar


But I was NOT referring to Hispanics, I was referring to any and all criminals who illegally enter the US whatever their race, creed, or politics are. The ONLY group my post speaks to is "illegal aliens." Illegal aliens, wetbacks, freezebacks, etc. are words that speak directly to criminal acts. It disturbs me that you imply that all hispanics are wetbacks, that's just not the case at all.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 9:00:03 PM   
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greetings egosum,

and it sickens me that we make the immigration process so goddamned difficult that people feel compelled to enter the country illegally. but we all got problems.

annabelle.



They are not coming here illegally to become Americans. That's the problem. They are coming here illegally to take jobs at low wages (much lower than Americans are willing to work), work 80 hours a week, and then send that money back to Mexico. Most of the ones that cross the border illegally hate this country.

Look at how they refuse to learn english. When my great-grandparents immigrated here from Italy, they banned the Italian language in their home. They did not allow their children to speak anything else but english. Why? Because English is the language spoken in America. And America was their new home.

They are the reason poverty is increasing in America.

There was a poll in Mexico that showed that 70% of Mexicans believe that the southwest United States belongs to Mexico and would support a movement to retake that land. There are drug cartels on the Mexican border that have more weapons and arms than Al-Queda. There has been over 300 incursions by the Mexican military into the United States. If the Mexican military comes across the border and starts shooting at our border patrol (which has happened several times), that is an act of war and we have every right to defend ourselves.

I say pull our troops out of Iraq and put it on the border. And shoot every damn thing that moves. Once Mexico crushes the drug cartels, stops the human trafficking, and stops the corruption in its ranks.....then we can talk about immigration laws.


The "Reconquista" as it's referred to, was the theme of a recurring speech that Vincenzo Fox used to give to hordes of mexican nationals to inspire them to illegally enter the US.

Mob: The scum that rises to the surface when the water boils.

As for taking ONLY jobs that americans don't want, well that's just ridiculous. All you have to do is hire one illegal and soon enough there's a variety of cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, nephews, etc who "need" a job.

The upshot of this is that there are a lot of young americans who due to the failure of public education are only fit for these low-paying jobs, who can't get hired to do this "crap work" because the illegals make it impossible for these truly needy Americans to do their job because of harassment, threat, and intimidation at the work place.

Last year when the illegals had their big strike some of my father's warehouses were left without anyone to load and unload trucks except for the supervisor. What turned out to be quite revealing was that one American with a true work ethic was able to finish ALL the days work before lunch!! The eight illegals had taken 12 hours to do the same work with constant sullen and resentful complaining.

As a result two american highschool dropouts were hired to replace the terminated illegals, productivity has increased over 30%, costs have been significantly reduced, and the american employees are fun, decent and have a positive can-do attitude as well.

In the final analysis, wetbacks are not really worth the money, and there is a very large workforce out there that actually will gratefully do these necessary jobs.


peepeegirl15:
So it would appear that not only is your daddy a criminal but not a very smart one at that.  If he had one supervisor who could do 96 man hours of work in 4 hours why did he hire illegal aliens to work for him.  Now you have two high school drop outs  who do 125 man hours of work in 16.
You will pardon me but my crap detector is pegged on mega BS. 
I see from your profile that you are from San Antonio.  The next time you go to the Alamo why don't you look up on the wall that has the names of all those who died there.
Count the anglo names and count the latino names then come on back and give us the tally.
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 9:06:22 PM   
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peep,
pardon me you called them what?  What you said was extremely offensive and i have found they have an examplary work ethic.  Might be nice to hear an apology at least about the derogatory reference.

minnetar



I'm sorry that criminals are encouraged to be criminals. If you are attempting to put words in my mouth i.e. that "wetback" is somehow a term I'm directing at ALL hispanics you are quite mistaken. My words speak of criminals who are motivated by their governments to commit crime and that hiring these criminals as a business proposition is ill-advised.

Employee productivity and morale is a matter of perspective, my family is in business to optimize profit and in that regard we thought the criminals going on strike last year was quite revealing, and we have profited by it. By the way, the two highschool dropouts I spoke of are both hispanic, and both of their families have been in Texas for over five generations, and quite honestly they despise "wetbacks" for screwing up the economy.


Peep you are young.  Learn to make arguments without using denigrating terminology such as "wetbacks".  You can say other words such as hispanics and get a point across.  Using that terminology totally will invalidate any point you have to say.  Think about it.

minnetar


But I was NOT referring to Hispanics, I was referring to any and all criminals who illegally enter the US whatever their race, creed, or politics are. The ONLY group my post speaks to is "illegal aliens." Illegal aliens, wetbacks, freezebacks, etc. are words that speak directly to criminal acts. It disturbs me that you imply that all hispanics are wetbacks, that's just not the case at all.



Peep,
rephrase your terminology please.  Please look at your misuse of that offensive terminology.  i am sure you can access the dictionary.  You are misusing the word "wetback".

minnetar

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 9:10:15 PM   
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Do you also have a David Duke poster on your wall?


Yukio Mishima (the ONLY male I admire).


peepeegirl15:
I can well understand why him and not your father.  It is hard to admit that not only is your father a criminal but not a very bright one either. 
BTW are you also a product of the Texas public education system.
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 9:12:02 PM   
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Do you also have a David Duke poster on your wall?


Yukio Mishima (the ONLY male I admire).


peepeegirl15:
I can well understand why him and not your father.  It is hard to admit that not only is your father a criminal but not a very bright one either. 
BTW are you also a product of the Texas public education system.
thompson


Ix-nay on the exas-Tay bashing, thompson  *see, they taught me latin here!*

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 9:17:30 PM   
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peepeegirl15:
So it would appear that not only is your daddy a criminal but not a very smart one at that.  If he had one supervisor who could do 96 man hours of work in 4 hours why did he hire illegal aliens to work for him.  Now you have two high school drop outs  who do 125 man hours of work in 16.
You will pardon me but my crap detector is pegged on mega BS. 
I see from your profile that you are from San Antonio.  The next time you go to the Alamo why don't you look up on the wall that has the names of all those who died there.
Count the anglo names and count the latino names then come on back and give us the tally.
thompson


Actually it was the supervisor who hired them because they used false id. Now we use more thorough methods for due diligence to ensure that no illegal aliens are being hired.

That was the revelation. The work that had taken 8 illegals 96 hours to perform only took one american four hours to perform.

Now we aren't running a sweat shop so there's no need to actually work people like that. It was an emergency situation created by the criminals going on strike. On an everyday basis the supervisor and two serious american employees get all of the work done in 8 hours a day.

As I've already responded. My post isn't directed at Hispanics, Canadians, Irish, Catholics, Islamics, or any political group, the only group my post speaks to is the CRIMINAL group of illegal aliens.

I'm proud to be a MinuteChxx, as are my friends, and YOU can trust that we will do everything necessary to stop the enemy at the gate and to discover those that have already slipped through so they can be apprehended and dealt with as the criminals they truly are.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 9:20:19 PM   
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Do you also have a David Duke poster on your wall?


Yukio Mishima (the ONLY male I admire).


peepeegirl15:
I can well understand why him and not your father.  It is hard to admit that not only is your father a criminal but not a very bright one either. 
BTW are you also a product of the Texas public education system.
thompson


Ix-nay on the exas-Tay bashing, thompson  *see, they taught me latin here!*


lmao Level i took actual Latin not pig latin

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 9:23:19 PM   
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peepeegirl15:
So it would appear that not only is your daddy a criminal but not a very smart one at that.  If he had one supervisor who could do 96 man hours of work in 4 hours why did he hire illegal aliens to work for him.  Now you have two high school drop outs  who do 125 man hours of work in 16.
You will pardon me but my crap detector is pegged on mega BS. 
I see from your profile that you are from San Antonio.  The next time you go to the Alamo why don't you look up on the wall that has the names of all those who died there.
Count the anglo names and count the latino names then come on back and give us the tally.
thompson


Actually it was the supervisor who hired them because they used false id. Now we use more thorough methods for due diligence to ensure that no illegal aliens are being hired.

That was the revelation. The work that had taken 8 illegals 96 hours to perform only took one american four hours to perform.

Now we aren't running a sweat shop so there's no need to actually work people like that. It was an emergency situation created by the criminals going on strike. On an everyday basis the supervisor and two serious american employees get all of the work done in 8 hours a day.

As I've already responded. My post isn't directed at Hispanics, Canadians, Irish, Catholics, Islamics, or any political group, the only group my post speaks to is the CRIMINAL group of illegal aliens.

I'm proud to be a MinuteChxx, as are my friends, and YOU can trust that we will do everything necessary to stop the enemy at the gate and to discover those that have already slipped through so they can be apprehended and dealt with as the criminals they truly are.


You stated that illegals have a worse work ethic than legals.  How do you base that foundation and what are your sources?  Can i have some links based on your belief?

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 9:28:02 PM   
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You're just being rude and insulting thompson and don't deserve any further response from me.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 9:31:25 PM   
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Minn,

So far we've been able to clean out over 37 warehouses and several factories in Texas. Further good news is that they have been replaced with americans who really did need the work. I'm not interested in participating in your fantasies anymore as I'm late for a very important date at the club. maybe later :)

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 10:30:41 PM   
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Very good point minnetar.
In debat one must always be aware of a faulty word or phrase an opponent may focus on to distract from the true issues. Its a simplistic tactic, but still effective. It takes things to a more personal level and insights emotion. Often resulting in anger.
But I must say that you "Level" with that comment about the David Duke poster thing was BS. Thats the kind of personal attack you need to keep in your own camp. Totaly uncalled for. She made a bad judgement in her choice of words...and I mean really bad. But for you to feed that was uncalled for.
So get off that racist bull shit. This is not about what race we are.
Its about the laws of this country. Get back on the subject.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 10:38:37 PM   
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I live in Texas thompson. And I went to schools here, and so does my son.
Thats another personal attack I dont care for. Drop that kinda crap and act like an adult.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 10:49:45 PM   
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Yes, I went to school, graduated HS and college in Texas and both my kids go to school here too.  Honor students btw.  I'll jump into the fray maybe tomorrow when I am not quite coming down off of an incredibly intense play session.  But til then, I agree.  Let's chill on the Texas bashing.  Juvenile at best.  Completely without merit also.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/19/2007 11:20:12 PM   
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On the News tonight our two Senators, Lindsey Graham and Jim DeMint were at a function and when Graham got up to speak he mentioned amnesty and the crowd started booing him! lol
Then DeMint who's against amnesty got up to speak and the crowd cheered him!
I'm telling you, Lindsey Graham is one Dumb S.O.B.


Yeah.... I saw that earlier tonight when I was at the gym.....it shocked the shit outa me. But then again I've always known that Graham is a chief proponent of neo-liberalism.




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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 1:51:42 AM   
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Speaking as someone who is currently trying to enter Fortress America (i.e. relocate and resettle legally with a visa) from the UK it isn't easy, it's time-consuming (the April 2007 window for visas which will be issued after October 2007 has already closed, and when's the next window? October 2007? April 2008?).

I'm British, an established playwright and stage director with 15 or so productions to my name over the past 12 years, but I won't qualify for an artistic visa because I'm not 'at the highest level', basically I'm not an award winning, famous, oh so popular 'name'. I'm listed in Wikipedia, but I'm not doing this for fame or for the awards, I'm doing it because I'm able to do it, and I've rejected the entertainment industry to work with disaffected people on small scale productions and theatre workshops.

Why? It's much more satisfying to watch one person go into drug rehab or stop abusing alcohol and make positive changes to their life whilst 'being an actor' than it ever was to be famous or well-known. It's oh so very easy to write off people who are on welfare, homeless, ex-offenders and others rejected by society but I work with them to help them get back into society, to give something back, to give them back their self-confidence. This is the work I do and what I want to do in the States.

I'm coming to Mississippi, to an area of the States still rebuilding and recovering from Katrina. I'm not taking anyone's job, because the jobs went with the people when they went north after the hurricane. But I'm coming to use my skills to help people rebuild their communities and to become established and part of that community in the process.

However it's just like Fortress Britain, and saves my partner having to go through the arbitrary and tight UK immigration regulations where there's never any guarantee you're going to get through until you get through the whole process.

Rather than constantly tightening up the regulations and conditions for entry and tarring everyone with the same brush wouldn't it be much simpler to tighten up on employers who hire illegals or deal with the illegals who are there illegally?

Okay, so they can't be sent back? But what's to stop them paying a hefty fine? Same too with employers hiring illegals. Tightening up immigration regulations doesn't work, the more legislation you pass, the more loopholes people are going to find to get round the legislation. I know, I'm looking for loopholes here too.

I think this problem is best tackled by dealing with the illegals already in situ. Employers need to be faced with very heavy fines if they're caught hiring illegals. Okay, you may not be able to send the illegal back, but you can remove welfare, restrict access to medical care and also impose very heavy fines on them. That way they can make the choice whether they want to be illegal or not, but if they choose to be illegal they have to pay a heavy price.Most of them, being economic migrants will probably come to the conclusion that it doesn't pay to be illegal.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 3:42:35 AM   
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You're just being rude and insulting thompson and don't deserve any further response from me.

peepeegirl15:
What was it that I said that you found rude and insulting?
If you illegally hire the illegal aliens you are by definition a criminal.  If you hire incompetents and continue their employment that makes you somewhat less than brilliant.  This is neither rude nor insulting it is simply a statement of facts.  How is it that you could not determine their illegal status in a matter of days? 
When you tell me that one man does the work of 8 men working 12 hours in only 4 hours that does stretch the limits of credulity. 
What I have noticed on the boards is that when I post questions that people cannot answer I get responses like yours.
Thats OK, I understand.  What I understand is that your fathers company in its drive to maximize profits (your words not mine) chose to engage in criminal behaviour.  You are quick to recognize the criminal nature of the illegal alien but make no mention of the criminality of your father.  Now you try to shield him by blaming it on the supervisor.  How about you grow up and learn to accept responsibility for your actions.
thompson

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 3:54:37 AM   
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I live in Texas thompson. And I went to schools here, and so does my son.
Thats another personal attack I dont care for. Drop that kinda crap and act like an adult.

EgosumDominus:
Please cite for me what I said that was a personal attack.
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:11:15 AM   
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Do you also have a David Duke poster on your wall?


Yukio Mishima (the ONLY male I admire).


peepeegirl15:
I can well understand why him and not your father.  It is hard to admit that not only is your father a criminal but not a very bright one either. 
BTW are you also a product of the Texas public education system.
thompson


Ix-nay on the exas-Tay bashing, thompson  *see, they taught me latin here!*

Level:
That was a question not a bash.  I am always curious to see the academic roots of peoples thoughts.
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:37:47 AM   
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But I must say that you "Level" with that comment about the David Duke poster thing was BS. Thats the kind of personal attack you need to keep in your own camp. Totaly uncalled for. She made a bad judgement in her choice of words...and I mean really bad. But for you to feed that was uncalled for.
So get off that racist bull shit. This is not about what race we are.
Its about the laws of this country. Get back on the subject.



Well, "Ego", the comment she made WAS rascist; then she tried to worm out of it by making minnetar look like a bigot. So, bullshit abounded, in my eyes.....

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