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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 3:31:02 PM   
Bearlee


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Racism 
 
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
 
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination  

Still, sometimes it is fun to Google a word, instead of looking it up in a dictionary.  Here, I have Googled ‘wetback’:   

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wetback 

I wonder if racist people of Irish decent mind being called jig, or hibe or spudfucker? 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=irish+slur

Please forgive my use of such disgusting words...
 
I was just wonderin’,
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 3:38:31 PM   
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Because I believe some people may not understand the word properly:


Racism 
 
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
 
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination  

Still, sometimes it is fun to Google a word, instead of looking it up in a dictionary.  Here, I have Googled ‘wetback’:   


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wetback 

I wonder if racist people of Irish decent mind being called jig, or hibe or spudfucker? 


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=irish+slur


Please forgive my use of such disgusting words...
 
I was just wonderin’,
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Bearlee, that doesn't apply to Mexicans.
They're not a different race.
This isn't a racial issue anyway, it's a legal issue.
We have laws in this country and illegal aliens are sneaking into our country and breaking those laws.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 3:39:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		i am just curious as to why folks don't want to use Webster's as a dictionary source.  They use other sources and extrapolate extraneous things into the definition.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 3:47:07 PM   
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Bearlee, that doesn't apply to Mexicans.
They're not a different race.
This isn't a racial issue anyway, it's a legal issue.
We have laws in this country and illegal aliens are sneaking into our country and breaking those laws. 


WHAT doesn't apply to Mexicans?  That you and many others are being racist? 
 
Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhh, I added the definition for YOU, and you still missed it!!!
 
While you may believe this thread is about legal issues...MANY people here have included many racist remarks...turning part of the thread...racial.
 
...and you didn't answer my question; but perhaps you don't know a slur when you see one.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:11:35 PM   
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Bearlee, that doesn't apply to Mexicans.
They're not a different race.
This isn't a racial issue anyway, it's a legal issue.
We have laws in this country and illegal aliens are sneaking into our country and breaking those laws. 


WHAT doesn't apply to Mexicans?  That you and many others are being racist? 
 
Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhh, I added the definition for YOU, and you still missed it!!!
 
While you may believe this thread is about legal issues...MANY people here have included many racist remarks...turning part of the thread...racial.
 
...and you didn't answer my question; but perhaps you don't know a slur when you see one.

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Bearlee, let me say that again; "Mexican" is not a "Race."

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:23:42 PM   
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<shakes head>  I do not know HOW to tell you this other than to again say making slurs against other ethnic groups IS considered being racial.
 
Your point is taken that there are 3 'races' and nationality is not racial.  But you are mistaken to insist such slurs as you and others have used are not Racial Slurs... 
 
Ya know...some think only blue-eyed blonds are Caucasian and that Jews are not.  How racist is THAT?  You are nit-picking and need to get into a dictionary.
 
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:32:12 PM   
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<shakes head>  I do not know HOW to tell you this other than to again say making slurs against other ethnic groups IS considered being racial.
 
Your point is taken that there are 3 'races' and nationality is not racial.  But you are mistaken to insist such slurs as you and others have used are not Racial Slurs... 
 
Ya know...some think only blue-eyed blonds are Caucasian and that Jews are not.  How racist is THAT?  You are nit-picking and need to get into a dictionary.
 
b
 
 
 
 


How can it be considered "racial" if they're not a different "race?"

This is why prosecutors have a tough time picking jurys for cases that involve DNA.
A lot of people just can't understand science.
Science and Math.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:35:19 PM   
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<shakes head>  I do not know HOW to tell you this other than to again say making slurs against other ethnic groups IS considered being racial.
 
Your point is taken that there are 3 'races' and nationality is not racial.  But you are mistaken to insist such slurs as you and others have used are not Racial Slurs... 
 
Ya know...some think only blue-eyed blonds are Caucasian and that Jews are not.  How racist is THAT?  You are nit-picking and need to get into a dictionary.
 
b
 
 
 
 


How can it be considered "racial" if they're not a different "race?"

This is why prosecutors have a tough time picking jurys for cases that involve DNA.
A lot of people just can't understand science.
Science and Math.


popeye,
i have to admit when i read both definitions of ethnic and nationality there is a blur between the two.  But i do understand how it isn't racial.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:42:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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<shakes head>  I do not know HOW to tell you this other than to again say making slurs against other ethnic groups IS considered being racial.
 
Your point is taken that there are 3 'races' and nationality is not racial.  But you are mistaken to insist such slurs as you and others have used are not Racial Slurs... 
 
Ya know...some think only blue-eyed blonds are Caucasian and that Jews are not.  How racist is THAT?  You are nit-picking and need to get into a dictionary.
 
b
 
 
 
 


How can it be considered "racial" if they're not a different "race?"

This is why prosecutors have a tough time picking jurys for cases that involve DNA.
A lot of people just can't understand science.
Science and Math.


popeye,
i have to admit when i read both definitions of ethnic and nationality there is a blur between the two.  But i do understand how it isn't racial.

minnetar



Minnetar, that's easy.
I'll use myself as an example.
I'm an "American" - Nationality
I'm of Irish decent so my Ethnic grouping would be- "Celtic".
I'm White so my race would be - "Caucaision."

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:50:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		popeye,
but when i read the definition of both i saw german as being an ethnic group.  i thought that would be a nationality.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:51:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still nit-picking?  I do not know why an apple is called an apple or an ass, an ass; but I do know that slurs, of both racial and ethnic variety…are referre to as ‘racial slurs’ OR ‘ethnic slurs’.  I would say a slur is a slur is a slur.
 
If you Google racial slur, you will find both racial- and ethnic-slur databases. 
 
For the purposes of this general communication, a slur is a term or word(s) used to insult on the basis of race, ethnicity, or nationality…often called racial, or ethnic, slurs.  And…none of them has to do with DNA…just bigoted minds.
 
I think you’re stepping in ‘macaca’
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edited because I have no idea why some words were lined out
 
 
 

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 4:54:45 PM   
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 5:00:14 PM   
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 5:04:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		minnetar...you are refering not to the definition, but to how a word originated.
 
The term 'wetback' has almost always been a slur...raciest/ethnic/national; whatever.  You are correct in it's etymology, but incorrect in it's meaning today.
 
Yes, as you noted...slurs blur.  Regardless of what they're based on; they're nasty, ugly words.
 
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 5:04:40 PM   
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Im totally lost here. Are you saying that the term has nothing to do with the Rio Grande or am I just spacey? 
*be nice lol*


lol jenny - i read the definition on webster's dictionary basically stating that the rio grande pertained to the origin of the word but wasn't included in the definition as so many posters are saying.  That is what i have a problem with by saying anyone who has passed the Rio Grande is called a "wetback".

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 5:06:15 PM   
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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 5:06:54 PM   
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minnetar...you are refering not to the definition, but to how a word originated.
 
The term 'wetback' has almost always been a slur...raciest/ethnic/national; whatever.  You are correct in it's etymology, but incorrect in it's meaning today.
 
Yes, as you noted...slurs blur.  Regardless of what they're based on; they're nasty, ugly words.
 
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how am i incorrect in its meaning since i quoted the webster's dictionary?  sorry i don't think wikipedia is a reliable source as anyone can edit the answers there.  i looked at the link you sent.  i prefer to rely on webster's as a dictionary source.  i also made sure i understood such words that i didn't understand by looking them up and people are confusing the history with the definition.


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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 5:11:00 PM   
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Hmmm. No wonder I was lost, I went east.

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lmao jenny when i first saw that reference it confused the hell out of me and that is why i looked it up because i didn't see the correlation.

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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 5:15:20 PM   
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such as crossing the Rio Grande. 


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wetback

Does this help?  Now I've gone and posted something that is a huge pet peeve of mine, links to dictionary meanings.


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RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. - 5/20/2007 5:17:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The word "wetback" became widely used when the United States became involved in a military operation known as Operation Wetback.  Post World War II, millions of Mexicans came to the US as the demand for cheap agricultural laborers increased.  Between 1944 and 1954, known as the "decade of the wetback," the number of illegal Mexican alien workers swimming across the Rio Grande to the US increased.  As a result, in 1954 Operation Wetback got under way as a national reaction against illegal immigration.  In 1954 INS agents discovered over 1 million illegal immigrants and many were deported to Mexico.  Some even with their American born children.  Many also fled back due to fear of potential violence.

We all know the etymology of the term "wetback", which is a derogatory term for "an illegal Mexican immigrant or worker who crosses the Rio Grande into the United States, sometimes swimming to get across.  One dictionary states the word originated in 1929, and another states the 1940s.  Regardless of where, how, or who originated it....it is still derogatory and expresses animosity.

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