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RE: Good sub/slave or brat? - 5/17/2007 8:52:47 PM

LuckyAlbatross

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OK I had this whole long post written about how I see Aquatics brattiness and how I think she's very unique and special and comfy with her role and how I admire her and all...and then my internet blipped out and I lost it, sigh.

I'll try and recall it again tomorrow for you.

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RE: Good sub/slave or brat? - 5/17/2007 9:05:32 PM

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Well thanks. I like to see other points of view. Hopefully you can get back to us.

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RE: Good sub/slave or brat? - 5/17/2007 10:00:17 PM

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Define brat.

Some may see teasing and playfulness as bratty. Others see it as endearing.

Depending on the Dom you ask - I may be bratty or playful.

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RE: Good sub/slave or brat? - 5/19/2007 10:41:11 AM

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He's as much as a brat as I am. I'll flick the end of a tee shirt at his ass and he'll toss me down and tickle me. It's a game that elicits laughter from both of us. And yes, I am his good girl.

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RE: Good sub/slave or brat? - 5/19/2007 12:05:43 PM

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I think that's just having fun and wouldn't consider that bratty. It really is in how one defines brat. For me it's a negative connotation.

1 a: child; specifically : an ill-mannered annoying child <a spoiled brat> b: an ill-mannered immature person67: the child of a career military person <army brats>; also : the child of a person whose career is in a specified and typically unusual field <Hollywood brats>

I don't want an ill mannered child or immature person as a submissive. I so want someone I can laugh with and have fun with. I do want someone who behaves, acts mature and has manners. They do not have to be mutually exclusive.

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RE: Good sub/slave or brat? - 5/20/2007 10:59:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Dvoratrelunda

I would very much like to hear how others define brat.

I am absolutely a fan of the "lively, intelligent, sparkly, feisty, smart, strong, fiery, bright personality" brat.
I have never had a brat sub that was not perfectly capable of being very well behaved when the time called for it. Sure, some needed a bit more guidance when to determine those times and that's fine by me. I do like a challenge.

At least I can say no brat has ever been "quiet, passive, weak, boring, stupid, dull, background" for me.
I do dread that. I could care less how well behaved, intelligent, witty or sapient they may be, if they are 'too well behaved' I'm not interested in them beyond social interaction. They may be great with a cup of coffee but not in my service.

Hello Dvoratrelunda. Immature, narcissic, undisciplined (self discipline), smart ass and unfocused is how I define a brat. The lively bright person you are talking about is not a brat. That's a person with a sunny dispositon. A brat has no 'disposition' except to 'improvise' to get attention. RL.

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RE: Good sub/slave or brat? - 5/22/2007 5:46:00 AM

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To me, when someone says they are a brat, it means that they are absolutely selfish, entirely focused on themselves, and want it their way, all the time. If they don't obtain what they wish, they throw a tantrum, and cause drama. These are things that I doubt any Dom would wish from his Submissive.

However, to be a brat, and to be playful, or mischevious, are two seperate creatures. The Mischevious girl will do her little, subtle, plays on words, or her little teasing, but would never disrespect her Master in public, or in front of others, and would willingly accept the punishment she may incur from doing these things. Should it become excessive, then it starts to border on Brattyness. A small amount of mischeviousness or playfulness, however, is never a bad thing. It can keep the Master on his toes, and lead to some very fun punishments, for both involved.

However, everyone's degree of tolerence for mischief and playfulness is differant. I, for example, do not mind it occassionally, but when it becomes a one-a-week occurance, I would find myself questioning that Submissive's willingness to submit, and whether this is really what she wanted.

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RE: Good sub/slave or brat? - 5/22/2007 6:08:06 AM

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IF "brattiness" is greed, I don't think "brattiness" is limited to submissives. I've always differentiated between being selfish and being greedy as selfishness doesn't want to share what it owns, but greed is selfishness that also wants everyone else's stuff too. I think the individual has a personal responsibility to themselves to determine what they want to share/yield/trade with someone else.

This allows me to make sense out of the idea that a person's submission is a "gift." (The rightness/wrongness of a strings-attached -vs- the no-strings-attached "gift" would be a different thread).

How should one accurately define "maturity" and "immaturity," is it about age? compliance? what?

Then I'm thinking, huh? IF "it means that they are absolutely selfish, entirely focused on themselves, and want it their way, all the time." THEN, that sounds exactly like I hear the case for the privilege of dominants presented here. Would one call that "bottoming from the top?"

Personally I've always enjoyed the drama. Never a dull moment.

Time o' yer life, huh kid? :)

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