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Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 11:35:44 AM   
Mercnbeth


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The reason for raising the minimum wage is about to occur. More people working jobs in the US will be earning that amount.

The amnesty program along with the tail it provides for the families of the criminals getting amnesty has the potential of raising the population of the US by 100 Million.

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Key senators in both parties announced agreement with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border. The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that workers are here legally.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said he expects Bush to endorse the agreement. "Politics is the art of the possible, and the agreement we just reached is the best possible chance we will have in years to secure our borders and bring millions of people out of the shadows and into the sunshine of America," Kennedy said. Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P69IO00&show_article=1   

What better indication of the lack of any distinction between the political parties; Senator Kennedy and President Bush congratulating themselves for their achievement in coming to agreement to bring more minimum wage workers into the workforce for the corporations who put money into their political campaign.

I guess in one respect this is good for me. My cost for lawn maintenance, pool service, and house keeping will remain low. The people I use have artificially low pricing because the market is flooded with illegals providing the services for a fraction of what the work should generate. The new minimum wage will have no impact here. California's minimum wage already exceeded the maximum new Federal amount. 

The impact will be on the US citizens who make there living working these jobs. Not only the maintenance jobs but people doing electrical work, cement, wall board, and pretty much any kind of construction. Truck drivers, warehouse workers, all are in jeopardy. Go to the maximum new minimum wage to be implemented in a year - $7.25/hour. Why pay $20 or even $10//hour when people will be lining up for $7.25/hour. When, as an illegal, you were previously getting much less than that, on the high end $5.00/hour; $7.25 is a 45% raise! Those working jobs now better be careful and look over their shoulder. One slip and you can be history. Look at the recent Circuit City employee purge as an example.

YEAH for the Corporations! You've got your cheap workforce insured for another generation of profits! Keep that money flowing to your representatives!

At this point we are about as effective as a 80 year old man visiting a whorehouse without his Viagra. It took a change in the power base of Congress to get this current group to agree with the President. A similar bill failed last year.

Lets make sure we elect more of the same people next November! By then I'm hoping my Italian duel citizenship will be in place.
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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 11:42:51 AM   
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Senator Kennedy and President Bush congratulating themselves for their achievement in coming to agreement to bring more minimum wage workers into the workforce for the corporations who put money into their political campaign.


Lets make sure we elect more of the same people next November! By then I'm hoping my Italian duel citizenship will be in place.



excellent post Merc!


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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 11:53:06 AM   
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This is so disgusting that it turns my stomach worse than the thread on the beef recall.
Let me look at this correctly:
- An unpopular Congress
- An unpopular President
- A very unpopular bill
And of course it gets passed. Why? Because we as a nation have grown weak. Where are those with the heart to cry out and walk en mass out onto the streets and demand that our leaders pay attention to us- the voting U.S. citizens? They pass these laws because they know they can, because they know that the population here is so lazy, so busy watching American Idol and such, that anything, any scandal, any restriction, any stupid piece of legislation will go by with little notice. Try any of this in France- they still pay attention over there.

If our govt. no longer protects us, if our govt no longer represents our views, if our govt is clearly a theater for the corportations with money, then I say our govt has broken the social contract with all of it's citizens- and we demand a change.

But...it won't happen....24 is on tonight and we all have to work to pay for that new plasma we watch it on. Sorry, no, can't be bothered.

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 12:16:56 PM   
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Its incumbent on me to correct the reference of the OP. The "Criminals" referenced are the employers and corporations exploiting these people. It may look pointed at the individuals, but they would not be here if not for the 'white collar' criminals hiring them.

Now the exploitation is expanded. Now, everyone not working for themselves, not a government employee, not "skilled" and not a lot of other things I can' think of right now are in the same position. Once this is in place, the working middle class no longer exists. There will only be those making plenty of money and those barely making enough to fill the gas tank.

Compare this to what is happening at the same time in Europe:
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BRUSSELS, Belgium: Employers who take on illegal workers could face tougher fines and other financial penalties under proposals unveiled by the European Union's top immigration official Wednesday.

Fines could include the costs of returning the illegal migrants to their home country and repaying outstanding wages, taxes and social security contributions, and "if appropriate, other administrative measures" could be applied, including loss of EU funding for companies working on public contracts, the proposal said.

Frattini's plan proposes that EU governments adopt standard EU-wide legal penalties against companies, farmers or even individuals who employ seasonal workers, nannies or cleaners illegally, without paying taxes or social security charges on their wages.

He said EU governments should apply both preventative measures — like regularly checking businesses to make sure the workers they hire are legally able to work in an EU country — and fines against those employers found to be exploiting illegal workers.

Frattini said at least 10 percent of national job sites and business should face inspections every year.
Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/16/europe/EU-GEN-EU-Immigration.php 


You want a "conspiracy theory" worthy of consideration? How about the entire eight years of this Presidency having what happened today as its goal? Nothing, not the Iraq war, not global warming, not the artificially spurned on battle between the "left" and "right" will have a greater impact in our lives and the lives of our children. Only the entire elimination of corporate tax could have a similar positive impact on the Corporations. They now will have their "third world" employee base right here in the US, and our elected leaders have just legalized the process. Is is coincidental that during the past year the stock market rose to its current heights? 

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 12:19:05 PM   
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Aviinterra, if we start blasting our congressmen with calls, e-mails, faxes and letters it won't pass the House.
And get your friends and neighbors to do it too.
From what little I've seen of it it's just another "Amnesty" that they're not calling an "Amnesty."
I'm watching Fox News right now and they just said that 95% of the e-mails they're getting are against this and that people are "angry."
That's a good thing!
Man, this fuckin' government just ***IS NOT LISTENING*** to The People!
Maybe we need to start some Re Call Elections on some Senators.
One of my Senators, Lindsey Gram will *NOT* be re-elected in 2008. But I'll sign a recall petition to get him out earlier if I can!

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 12:28:34 PM   
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It's cute that you watch fox news

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 12:40:41 PM   
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::Crappy crap crap...getting my cookies lost on this site again....grumble.:: now back to the topic....
I have written letters and emails, but I am at the point where I don't think it counts anymore. 

My friends in Europe only chuckle when they here about the crap that is going on here- if the govt. of a silly, post communist country like Poland has less than a 45% backing of it's people, it is dissolved and new elections are held.

Why can't we do that here? Oh, yes, it would actually keep our politicians on their toes and paying attention. If this thing goes all the way, I just may pack up my stuff and leave to a more civilized area of the world, even as my heart is breaking that my country is falling to it's knees.

I wonder though....could this not have anything to do with that North American Union thing our president signed us up for too??

But, I shall be resolved and continue harrassing my Senator, who is, uhem, Ted Kennedy, even though I know that wont go anywhere.


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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 12:59:59 PM   
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Slfbnd, I also watch CNN and MSNBC.
I'll switch the station and see what CNN has to say.

I'm listening to The Howie Carr Show on wrko now in Boston, Mass the bluest of blue states.
His question of the day; "Should President Bush sign this immigration Bill.?"
Yes 8%
No 92%
And the callers so far are saying just what I did, the government isn't listening to The People!
This government is about to step on a hornet's nest.
The People are *ANGRY!*

Edit Selfbnd, CNN just said it's an "Amnesty" just like last year's Bill.
And the laws that would sanction the employers under this Bill are *ALREADY* on the books and *NOT* being enforced.
So it's just more lies, but, what do you expect from George Bush?

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 1:17:46 PM   
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Call it what you want...I just know I and my friends could make more $$ picking fruit or working in fish processing in Alaska this summer than we will working on campus.  Strangely, none of us are in any hurry to spend our days bent over in the hot sun for 10-12 hours per day.

California minimum wage = $7.50/hr
Average field picker's wage = $9.70/hr

It's not the pay...

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 1:36:58 PM   
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Call it what you want...I just know I and my friends could make more $$ picking fruit or working in fish processing in Alaska this summer than we will working on campus.  Strangely, none of us are in any hurry to spend our days bent over in the hot sun for 10-12 hours per day.

California minimum wage = $7.50/hr
Average field picker's wage = $9.70/hr

It's not the pay...



Slfbnd, I'm probably one of the few in here who did just that in my teens only it was picking and boxing flowers for at that time, $1.00 per hour.
It was in my "yout" in the 1960's.
And at 9,10 and 11 I picked tomatoes out of huge heaps of bushes and sold them door to door @15 cents per pound from morning to night.
Now that P.O.S. Lindsey Graham is on CNN.
Howie Carr just said John McCain is "all finished"
What did he say in the debate the other night? "I've never supported amnesty!"

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 1:47:42 PM   
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When I think the amount of My disgust can get no larger, it does.
I was confident that Jon Kyl would vote Nay, and he did.  I was also confident that John McCain would vote Yea, and he did. 
Popeye, did you know that the links to email your congressman are not working?  *Smile*  I have to call Harry Mitchell's office, since "it should be working soon, but there seems to be a problem with the links since this new congress has been seated"...(this from Mitchell's Office).  At least they are getting a lot of calls. I am not sure about Harry yet...he is the Dem that unseated J.D. Hayworth by running slightly to the right of JD.  It will be interesting to see how well he does in this district and whether or not he fully realizes who he is representing and what the expectations are... 
 

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 2:00:32 PM   
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Aviinterra, if we start blasting our congressmen with calls, e-mails, faxes and letters it won't pass the House.
And get your friends and neighbors to do it too.
From what little I've seen of it it's just another "Amnesty" that they're not calling an "Amnesty."
I'm watching Fox News right now and they just said that 95% of the e-mails they're getting are against this and that people are "angry."
That's a good thing!
Man, this fuckin' government just ***IS NOT LISTENING*** to The People!
Maybe we need to start some Re Call Elections on some Senators.
One of my Senators, Lindsey Gram will *NOT* be re-elected in 2008. But I'll sign a recall petition to get him out earlier if I can!


i am really not shitting you guys when i said we all need to vote 3rd party in 08.

That is the easiest and quickest way to open eyes and turn heads.  Let them know they are fucking gone!


3rd party wont get a damn thing done becuase they will be to busy cleaning up all the shit mess. 

That means new cabinet members new administration from the top down and boot the old school to the fucking curb.

Now that would get the other 40% of americans who do not vote to vote wouldnt it?   there would be some serious boohoo wouldnt there?


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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 2:02:37 PM   
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When I think the amount of My disgust can get no larger, it does.


and that is how its done in the big leagues, acceptance by stages. forced and or otherwise but until people wise up and realizr there really is shit they can do to stop it, (at least ithink there still is), it will always be more disgust by degree.


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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 2:07:59 PM   
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My friends in Europe only chuckle when they here about the crap that is going on here- if the govt. of a silly, post communist country like Poland has less than a 45% backing of it's people, it is dissolved and new elections are held.


not to dissolve it here as it could never get a hole lot better than out beloved const and bor etc,  fix it by enfocing it is the cure!

Most of what has boon done over the last 100 years is unconstitutional!   Just need to fix it not void it.  enforce what the foundig fathers gave us and to think those men died over nonrepresentation for taxes when the average american woudl rather than switch, go figure.


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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 2:09:09 PM   
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Popeye, did you know that the links to email your congressman are not working?   
Dusty,
This site gives you the ability to find all your Representatives through a zip code search: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 2:12:17 PM   
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I do what I can, and I vote and stay in contact.  Most people don't.  That's a sad fact.  I am only one..until there are more that even bother to pay attention, I can only do what I can do.
Frankly, My disgust is less for the congress and the senate and more for the apathy of their voters who do not even bother to pay attention, and then look up one day and say "What happened?"  Everytime someone uses the term "the government" I remind them they are speaking of themselves. 

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 2:13:52 PM   
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The African American community is so strangely silent in this entire matter??????? 

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 2:23:43 PM   
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I'm waiting for a call from a printer for 1,000 bumperstickers; "DEPORT LINDSEY GRAHAM!" white background, dark green and red like the Mexican flag!
I'll put them on large manilla envelopes on the OUTSIDE right under the adress and send them to Senator Gram, Sen. De Mint, my Congressman Henry Brown, all the Newspapers and to anyone else who wants one in this state.
This is going to be fun!
Heard from a friend in the Charleston area and they're thinking about a Re call election on Lindsey Graham so he may be gone before 2008!
Funny that the "Secretary of Commerce" was involved in this.
Is the first step to a "Unified North America?"

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 2:26:38 PM   
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I'm waiting for a call from a printer for 1,000 bumperstickers; "DEPORT LINDSEY GRAHAM!" white background, dark green and red like the Mexican flag!
I'll put them on large manilla envelopes on the OUTSIDE right under the adress and send them to Senator Gram, Sen. De Mint, my Congressman Henry Brown, all the Newspapers and to anyone else who wants one in this state.
This is going to be fun!
Heard from a friend in the Charleston area and they're thinking about a Re call election on Lindsey Graham so he may be gone before 2008!
Funny that the "Secretary of Commerce" was involved in this.
Is the first step to a "Unified North America?"


Did you hear what Lindsey Graham said a few weeks ago? He basically said anyone against illegal immigration is a bigot.

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RE: Amnesty For Criminals Passed in the Senate - 5/17/2007 2:34:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold
Popeye, did you know that the links to email your congressman are not working?   
Dusty,
This site gives you the ability to find all your Representatives through a zip code search: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/


Oh, I know who My congressman is, and I call his office rather than email. That is because the email link does not work!  At least not yet, according to his office.  Also, according to his office, they are not working for any congressman, and this is a *temporary* problem, that has been a *temporary* problem since Harry got to DC!   I keep wondering how long it takes to fix it.  Maybe as long as the congressman wants to avoid too much email?  Is that an easy fix, since many people will not pick up the phone and dial a number?  *Smile*  I would rather email, but I am relying on his office to keep the stats on the calls. 

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