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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 8:49:36 AM

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My brother is a cop. Deputy Sherrif. I'll never forget something he told me last year. "All cops are dirty sis. They're either on the take or keeping quiet for the ones that are. Don't give them anything until you ask for their id. Don't let them in your house without a warrent, even if you're doing nothing wrong. And dont say a god d**ned word without a lawyer, ever."

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 8:54:28 AM

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Don't give them anything until you ask for their id. Don't let them in your house without a warrent, even if you're doing nothing wrong. And dont say a god d**ned word without a lawyer, ever."

Learned this one the hard way.. doh! Sneaky bastards!

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 9:03:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: LdyScarletDomina
My brother is a cop. Deputy Sherrif. I'll never forget something he told me last year. "All cops are dirty sis. They're either on the take or keeping quiet for the ones that are. Don't give them anything until you ask for their id. Don't let them in your house without a warrent, even if you're doing nothing wrong. And dont say a god d**ned word without a lawyer, ever."

My Dad told me the same thing--he was a school counselor. He was legally required to report suspected abuse cases and the cops would come in just looking to prosecute so they could get a nice fat notch on their belt. It's good that he was required to report because these things must be investigated, but more often than not what he suspected was that there was no actual abuse--the parents were divorcing and one parent was trying to engineer a case against the other. Remember the McMartin Preschool scandal? A lot of cops don't care about innocence or guilt..they see themselves as modern day Wyatt Earps, and they're going to get their man regardless of the facts.

I can't count the number of times I've watched Dateline stories in which individuals have been wrongly convicted based on corrupt police officers who were in it for the glory of it all. Even when all the evidence is against them...even when all the evidence proves that an innocent person has spent years in prison for crimes they did not commit, you see these police officers or district attorneys saying "I don't care about the DNA...I don't care if another man confessed...I don't care if every witness against him has recanted...I got my man, and I'm going to challenge him in court."

If I were King, I'd institute a rule that when gross police or prosecutorial miscounduct is discovered (ignoring/destroying/hiding exculpatory evidence, lying on the witness stand, gross negligence) and the individual found to be wrongfully prosecuted, they should be freed. Then the prosecutor/police officer should be given a prison sentence equal to the one that was to have been given to the innocent person.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 9:10:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: LdyScarletDomina
Don't give them anything until you ask for their id. Don't let them in your house without a warrent, even if you're doing nothing wrong. And dont say a god d**ned word without a lawyer, ever."

I agree with this, as I learned these lessons myself the hard way. But in my mind, cops are kind of like tools in your shop, and sometimes they're very good to have around, on your side. But you have to do your best to control them.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 9:17:25 AM

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What was that thing i read once, about power and corruption? Some dead guy wrote it? Anybody know what i'm talking about?

"Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely"
Lord Acton

Is that the one? As a corollary see the Lincoln quote below.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 9:17:30 AM

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Well, yes, you -and Madison- do have a very good point. I don't mean "blanket" or "blind" trust over an institution, but I was more remarking on the "fear" part I detect in a lot of Americans in regards to their police force. It's like they distrust them more just because they are cops.

But, just because the police are well-trained and professional, it doesn't mean you should automatically trust them (unless you have no choice). That's why it's imperative you know your rights, and police procedures so in the case a police officer makes a mistake, you don't end up having serious consecuences. Or you don't make a mistake that has serious consecuences. Like trying to outrun the police, like in those WWPV things. *rolls eyes*

I actually live here, in America, and the only people that I notice that have a "fear" of police are those that are doing things that they shouldn't. Also, not cool to pass some blanket judgement on people in a country that you don't even live in.

I think the point is to be safe...police are people too, no matter what kind of education or training that they have had...there are good people and bad people....so just be careful. I think it's amazing that your police are so perfect....hmmm...no problems with the officers there what-so-ever....must be robots.

Also, we had some guys here that not only impersonated officers, but went so far as to set up road block check points, so you need to be sure first of all that you are in fact talking to an officer.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 1:12:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: DrkJourney

I actually live here, in America, and the only people that I notice that have a "fear" of police are those that are doing things that they shouldn't. Also, not cool to pass some blanket judgement on people in a country that you don't even live in.

I had a good friend once who was an officer. He said he stopped telling people what he did for a living because they invariably looked guilty and got guarded and defensive when he told them.

I am not sure I agree that only people doing things they shouldn't are afraid of them. I think it is a function of the human psyche to feel they are somehow doing something they shouldnt.

Might be a function of my being raised in a society originally set up by members of a guilt-based religion.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 1:15:05 PM

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You could be right....I guess I was just speaking from my end....I've just never had, nor been around anyone who had this fear. I have relatives and friends in law enforcement from private investigators (ex cops) all the way to the FBI....so I guess I'll not totally understand it

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 1:33:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tuomas

Maybe it's just a perception, but it seems the relationship between the American police and citizens is more "fear". Maybe it's because of all the "cop shows". Here, it would never occur to people to question the police...

Bet the attitude was a little different when Pinochet was in charge.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 2:00:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tuomas

Maybe it's just a perception, but it seems the relationship between the American police and citizens is more "fear". Maybe it's because of all the "cop shows". Here, it would never occur to people to question the police. It's not that people are afraid of them, or that there aren't people who masquerade as the police, but it doesn't seem to be part of the culture. I've always found the distinction as odd.

Of course, the other side of it is that if you are caught pretending to be a police officer, you go to millitary prison for a very long time

IMO it's those folks who fall on the left side of the political spectrum who seem to be afraid of law enforcement, while those on the right don't fear them at all.

I don't think "fear" is the right word....As someone who would be considered to be on the "left" I always question their motivations....I think people on the right just think feel the police as well as subjects like illegal wiretaps and other areas where we see our freedoms decaying.."That if you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.".....Which could not be further from the truth.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 5:25:14 PM

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I don't think "fear" is the right word

The word for me is trust. I know not all cops are bad; problem is, unless I know them; you can’t tell the good ones from the bad ones.

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That if you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.".....Which could not be further from the truth.

Exatctly!

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 5:52:37 PM

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Bet the attitude was a little different when Pinochet was in charge.

I thought his name was Bush, and he went by the nickname Dubya.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 7:07:16 PM

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"Don't give them anything until you ask for their id. Don't let them in your house without a warrent, even if you're doing nothing wrong. And dont say a god d**ned word without a lawyer, ever."

My first cousin, a good man, was chief of police in a medium/large city and I heard stories too from time to time.

A few months ago, when I was in Los Angeles with Sir, we were pulled over late one night ostensibly for a burnt out taillight, and while one cop grilled him, the other one came around to the passenger side, OPENED THE DOOR WITHOUT ASKING, and leaned in real close to me and began grilling me -- did I live in Los Angeles, where was I from, how long was I staying there, what was Sir to me, etc. WTF!?!?!? I gave him short but honest answers, although I really would rather have told him I didn't have to answer his questions -- because I was intimidated, and because if I'd acted "smart" Sir would get a ticket, or a worse ticket (they gave him a warning). I felt sick afterwards. Ordinary citizens with nothing to hide should not have to put up with such things, account for ourselves or our movements, or feel this way about officers who are supposed to protect the public safety.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 8:15:41 PM

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I have had good and bad experiences with cops. My cousin was on the Las Vegas Metro force so for the most part I never had any problems, but of course being that fact that I am black he often reminded when I was in certin areas or with my pals in large number to not be a smart ass, but also be aware of badge numbers and wheter they were Metro or not. Most of the metro cops knew me or at least knew him so yeah no problems.

Vegas is close to be L.A. any day now and as such the cops are slightly better. But in one case a pair out on patrol proved that sometimes bad cops are dumb cops. I was 15 at the time and I was sitting on the cinderblock fence of my friends front yard. It was myself and 5 other teenagers of various races. Nothing TOO suspcious it was 11-12ish during the summer so it was pitch black and we weren't being loud.

Cops roll past we look at them and then go back to talking 15-20 mins pass and the come back through and stop. Of course we are all like "Shit!" Its the usual who are we? what are we doing out? The stupid part come sin when they tell us that the property owner called in and complained about us. We all turned and looked at Jasin, it was his place after all and go, "Your parents called the cops to get us to come inside?"

They immediately knew they had been caught and made a hasty retreat. Adults always underestimate teenagers.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/20/2007 9:20:23 PM

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I’ve had some good, or at least amusing, experiences too.

Like the time I was driving home around 2:30am after working OT… police officer stops me… informs me he is stopping me because the car is uninspected and unregistered, (I’m thinking how do they see those little stickers)…. I calmly explain that the car is registered, but when I went to put the stickers on, the license plate was dirty and it fell off. I didn’t want to loose it going down the road.

He took the stickers off the registration, went to the front plate, cleaned it off, and placed the sticker on for me, then repeated for the back plate.

Then let me go, I think he forgot about it not being inspected.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/21/2007 8:34:28 AM

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We have a 2nd Amendment SO WE DO NOT NEED POLICE.

Of course we do... somebody has to clean up the mess that vigilante wannabes with guns make....

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/21/2007 8:49:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: Tuomas

Maybe it's just a perception, but it seems the relationship between the American police and citizens is more "fear". Maybe it's because of all the "cop shows". Here, it would never occur to people to question the police. It's not that people are afraid of them, or that there aren't people who masquerade as the police, but it doesn't seem to be part of the culture. I've always found the distinction as odd.

Of course, the other side of it is that if you are caught pretending to be a police officer, you go to millitary prison for a very long time

IMO it's those folks who fall on the left side of the political spectrum who seem to be afraid of law enforcement, while those on the right don't fear them at all.

subrob1967:
I was under the impression that Randy Weaver was on the right side of the political spectrum.
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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/21/2007 8:54:33 AM

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It's horribly disrespectful to call a police officer a "pig". I don't understand that kind of unfounded rudeness. Sure, there are some bad cops. Just as there are bad people in every genre of work. However, there are good ones, too, and they deserve your respect.

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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/21/2007 8:59:46 AM

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It's horribly disrespectful to call a police officer a "pig". I don't understand that kind of unfounded rudeness. Sure, there are some bad cops. Just as there are bad people in every genre of work. However, there are good ones, too, and they deserve your respect.

NakedOnMyChain:
It would appear from your post that you would find it acceptable to call the bad cops pigs, or have I misunderstood you?
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RE: NEVER trust a Pig. - 5/21/2007 9:03:46 AM

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I don't think it's acceptable to use the word "pig" for any officer. It is demeaning.

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