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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 8:00:53 AM   
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LOL, I kinda agree with you on the wineglass, julia; ya just gotta breathe some wines!
 
Still, sometimes a good ol' 'country red' tastes perfect in a small waterglass.  Think the French or Italians; big families, country living...  Yeah, a simple, clear waterglass works great!
 
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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 10:52:22 AM   
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a box of franzia thru a champagne flute doesn't look much different than a Mouton Cadet of Rothschild in the fullness of time.




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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 11:43:59 AM   
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LOL, I kinda agree with you on the wineglass, julia; ya just gotta breathe some wines!
 
Still, sometimes a good ol' 'country red' tastes perfect in a small waterglass.  Think the French or Italians; big families, country living...  Yeah, a simple, clear waterglass works great!
 
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Young reds and whites do fine in a water glass but a well aged wine really does need a wineglass to breathe in. Swirling it around to further aerate it will really make a surprising difference in the taste.

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 11:53:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		As far as stemware goes, it's all about the right glass.  Am a bit of a wine snob.  Though I drink a lot less of it nowadays.  Guess I really don't need a wine database anymore.  I did find a halfway decent box wine when I was in the UK, though it's origins were French.

Franzia and Peter Vella are swill.

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 12:05:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did anyone here see John Cleese's PBS special about wines?

He did a blind tasting in Sonoma Valley with a bunch of "wine experts" and some celebrity folks who fancy themselves as wine savants.  After each tasting they filled out cards, rich with tannins, bold and oakey, Big red, soft white black berries, coffee, currants, green apple and a myriad of other adjectives to describe and rate the wines. many scored in the high 80's some in the low 90's.

And to a glass, it was all the exact same jug white wine.  There were some good sports but several refused to allow the producers to to use them in the show.

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 1:27:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many box wines are very good.  I keep a box in my refrigerator, because
I usually only drink 1 glass or 2 and it stays fresher in the box.
I agree with the taste test, many people are just snobs and don't want to
admit some box wine can be tasty.

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 2:04:16 PM   
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Did anyone here see John Cleese's PBS special about wines?

He did a blind tasting in Sonoma Valley with a bunch of "wine experts" and some celebrity folks who fancy themselves as wine savants.  After each tasting they filled out cards, rich with tannins, bold and oakey, Big red, soft white black berries, coffee, currants, green apple and a myriad of other adjectives to describe and rate the wines. many scored in the high 80's some in the low 90's.

And to a glass, it was all the exact same jug white wine.  There were some good sports but several refused to allow the producers to to use them in the show.

Don't know about those "experts" as I didn't see the special but I worked at a restaurant which hosted wine tastings and contests and I've seen serious wine folks, contest judges and the like, identify grape variety, year, whether it was french or California and quite frequently the exact winery in blind tastings.

That you're claiming they misidentified the wine as either a red or a white is very odd and knowing Cleese it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't help guarantee his desired outcome somehow.

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 2:14:03 PM   
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You don't get into wine...

You drink it.


Speak for yourself!

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 3:30:19 PM   
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Ok.. I am not a wine snob by any stretch but I would have never imagined that a decent wine could come in box.

But after three glasses tonight, I stand corrected.


I've had the same experience. I was later told by a the owner of a vineyard in France that many cheaper wines (in France) are boxed but if you put good wine in, you get good wine out, it really makes no difference. Also using a screw top is just as good as a cork, the only difference is snobbery which is the reason for using traditional bottling methods.

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 3:40:14 PM   
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LOL, I kinda agree with you on the wineglass, julia; ya just gotta breathe some wines!
 
Still, sometimes a good ol' 'country red' tastes perfect in a small waterglass.  Think the French or Italians; big families, country living...  Yeah, a simple, clear waterglass works great! 


Young reds and whites do fine in a water glass but a well aged wine really does need a wineglass to breathe in. Swirling it around to further aerate it will really make a surprising difference in the taste.


Yes, that would be why I mentioned some wines gotta breathe...   You see; decanting, swirling...aerating...those are attempts to help a wine breathe, and so...'open up',  more quickly.
 
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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 4:09:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will admit that I'll miss the whole ritual of poping the cork but then I miss the sounds of metal spikes on the cart path and I miss the sound of the pull tab coming off an ice cold can of beer in the summer time. I still play golf and drink beer though.

While I am thinking about it...

One of the big wine mag once scored André at 89.

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 9:43:18 PM   
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Ok.. I am not a wine snob by any stretch but I would have never imagined that a decent wine could come in box.

But after three glasses tonight, I stand corrected.


I read all the way through the thread, but unless I missed it ..... what was the wine, Daddy ?

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 10:26:29 PM   
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Also using a screw top is just as good as a cork, the only difference is snobbery which is the reason for using traditional bottling methods.



A cork and a well stored bottle (on it's side) allows a certain amount of oxidation to occur while the wine is aging for the 4-7 years in darkness and stable temperature required for it to age correctly.

A screw top or putting it in a box doesnt.

If you have not experienced a well aged, high quality, well stored bottle of wine, and the wonderful subtlety of the tastes, then I suppose for you there is no difference between boxed or corked or screw top wine.

My parents are wine snobs, although as their taste buds have aged they started 15 years ago to judge wines by the cost of the bottle.  Three of the friends I grew up with went on to cooking school, I was in a relationship with a wine snob flight attendant who brought home bottles of great wine from all over the world.  I have had a lot of great wines, expensive wines, world renowned wines, etc.

If you get the opportunity to try Wulf Blass Grey Label or Devil's Lair from Australia, run, dont walk, run for the opportunity.  Best I have ever had.  A more reasonable wine with a great flavor is Three Degrees.

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RE: Box Wine - 5/20/2007 11:33:53 PM   
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If you get the opportunity to try Wulf Blass Grey Label or Devil's Lair from Australia, run, dont walk, run for the opportunity.  Best I have ever had.  A more reasonable wine with a great flavor is Three Degrees.


Sinergy,

I've had the Devil's Lair Fifth Leg Red 2000 it was awesome.

On topic, personally I can't imagine drinking a bag o' wine. Since I've never tried one I really can't comment on whether or not it would be an acceptable wine. I was always taught not to cook with anything you wouldn't actually drink.


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RE: Box Wine - 5/21/2007 12:57:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're just listing the good stuff!  There's a whole lot of cheap sweet reds that you've left out.  Like Lambrusco (Riunite on ice, Riunite so nice, Riunite Riunite Riuniteeeeeeeeeeeee).  And Lancer's--isn't that radioactive-looking stuff kinda sweet?  Mateus too?

Of course, I think most of it is crap.

As for dessert wines: there's also Marsala and Madeira.  Good madeiras are really delicious.

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Reds:
Muscat (can be red or white, many are sweet)
Some Beaujolais
Mourvedre (or Mataro)

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RE: Box Wine - 5/21/2007 5:42:04 AM   
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LOL...
 
You're right, L&M...  While I didn't actually list specific dessert wines, I should have mentioned those two that you did!  Yummieeeeeeee.
 
Yeah...Riuniteeeeeeeeeeeee.  <urp>  I guess I coulda mentioned the Night Train series, too?  OMG
 
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RE: Box Wine - 5/21/2007 5:53:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're on the money, Sinergy!  Four to seven years, though?  Back in the day wines were made to last 20 years, anyway. Wines from 100 years ago have been open and enjoyed, too...though they would have to been kept in exceptional storage!  I wonder what some of them would have tasted like had their corks not begun to dry? 
 
Yup, for for snobs (and you say that like it's a bad thing), all wine will be put in protective covering (synthetic corks, bags, screw-tops).  Only those who can afford limited quantity corking (and then I bet they no longer use real cork) and very expensive wine will get to experience things as they 'used to be'.  LOL
 
I've had Wolf Blass Grey, but not Devil's Lair, thanks for the tip.  I like the wine from that region of Australia (Barossa Valley).
 
One of the things to do is find an AREA that produces wine that appeals to you.  I happen to like wine from the Alexander Valley in California.  (Can you say Silver Oak?)  Of course, I cannot afford wines like that anymore...so I look for other wineries in the area.  Jordon is also wayyyyyyyy too expensive, but there IS a winery called Alexander Valley that also produces wines there.  Now, while not cheap (or quite as good), this winery consistently produces some really good wines with all the deep, earthy, richness I have come to love of wines from that area. 
 
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RE: Box Wine - 5/21/2007 7:24:52 AM   
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The right glass is important


Presentation, ritual, these are important things.  A little anal-retentiveness is not a bad thing.



Sooooooooo, I guess getting one of these boxes and just lifting it up over your mouth and depressing the spout......swallowing as it trickles out ...........is kinda uncool then huh??

Not that I have done that mind you........

Since I generally only like dry red wines and it is warm weather I am on a gin and tonic kick right now.


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RE: Box Wine - 5/21/2007 7:53:52 AM   
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However...I make a kick-ass Sangria for drinking on the patio while I watch the BBQ. 
 
A good hearty red (not too expensive...maybe from a box, even!), over ice with a splash of OJ and another short splash of something bubbly...add some fruit and I'm good to go.  I do not like them sweet, however...  yummmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
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RE: Box Wine - 5/21/2007 8:13:28 AM   
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You don't get into wine...

You drink it.


Hmmm.... i am having some deliciously wicked thoughts for a monday morning :-)

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