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RE: When love gets in the way. - 5/23/2007 2:24:24 PM   
MagiksSlave


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It seems to me that your frustrated that he is haveing you just do things to make his life easier which I agree is keeping up your end of the D/s relationship by beeing the sub and doing those things, but it also sounds one sided You are doing the sub like things that he wants but he isnt giveing you the Domly things that you want. I agree the sub should do as told and such but in return for those things they get what they need which is to be Dominated and in some cases that is physical Domination and it seem to me he isnt holding up his side of the relationship and that isnt right and isnt fair. You need to talk to him about this tell him you dont feel that you are beeing Dominated and that you are the only one giveing in this relationship. he may not realise you feel that way or see that this is what is going on.


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Magik's slave

Sorry. i meant to say that you hit it on the head with this. It was exactly what i was trying to say but i couldn't find the words. i guess the message somehow got deleted.


LOL the CM monster ate your reply.. iv had that happen..
I kinda thought this was the problem and if it is the case then it really isnt to hard to fix with a little communication. he probubly doesnt know how you feel trust me it has happend with me and Master in fact very recently and it was getting to me so bad But I talked to him and you know what the talking helped, and I know at least with my Master that when I tell him something in the relationship is upsetting me he goes above and beyond to try and fix it. Just sit him down and talk to him the love should actually make it easier not harder!!

If you need more help or just want to talk you can message me on the other side!!

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RE: When love gets in the way. - 6/2/2007 4:57:34 PM   
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*sigh*

i talked to my Dom about this problem. i explained everything in a very respectful and non-accusatory way. i told Him that i felt like the relationship was starting to become a bit unfair because i DID feel that way. Instead of saying that He would try to add in some more play or telling me that i would have to wait until His job settled down, He said that i don't have to do any of the sub things that i've been doing. Basically He ended the D/s dynamic of our relationship.

i was shocked and a little dumbstruck. i didn't know what to do. It felt like a tornado had come through and ripped everything out. What the heck happened here? This is not the reaction i was expecting at all. He wasn't angry or mean about it. He was actually beating Himself up because He knew that i had mentioned this problem before and He didn't do anything about it.

This is sort of what confuses me sometimes because it doesn't seem like very Dom-like behavior to me. It shows me that He's insecure. i told Him that it's His choice, as a Dom, whether or not He wants to play. Sometimes He forgets that He has these rights. He's still so new to being a Dom and He hasn't read as much about it as i have. If He told me to stop asking Him, i would have found some other way to deal with my need. He forgets that He just has to say the word and i will do it. The thing is, He never said the word. i never stopped asking about the play because the first time i mentioned it, He said He would start it up again. When it never started up, i felt like it was becoming unfair.

Now i don't know what to do. i guess i'm going to talk to Him about it again when He gets home tonight. Instead of things getting better, things got worse. Before, i had no PHYSICAL dominaton. Now, i don't have ANY domination. i'm still in love and i still need domination. What a dilemma.  

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RE: When love gets in the way. - 6/3/2007 6:21:31 AM   
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This is sort of what confuses me sometimes because it doesn't seem like very Dom-like behavior to me. It shows me that He's insecure. i told Him that it's His choice, as a Dom, whether or not He wants to play. Sometimes He forgets that He has these rights. He's still so new to being a Dom and He hasn't read as much about it as i have. If He told me to stop asking Him, i would have found some other way to deal with my need. He forgets that He just has to say the word and i will do it. The thing is, He never said the word. i never stopped asking about the play because the first time i mentioned it, He said He would start it up again. When it never started up, i felt like it was becoming unfair.

Now i don't know what to do. i guess i'm going to talk to Him about it again when He gets home tonight. Instead of things getting better, things got worse. Before, i had no PHYSICAL dominaton. Now, i don't have ANY domination. i'm still in love and i still need domination. What a dilemma.  


Dear subsnow,

Firstly let me say, I have been where you are, wanting more, and my Lord was of the same mindset of your dom, he cut out the dominantion for a time.  It came at a time when we couldn't be together everyday as we are now (generally), so quite similar really.  For me it was a demonstration of how strong my Lord was, he wanted submission from me, but felt he did nothing to warrent me being submissive, ie he didn't display dominance.  He craved it badly, but it was too unbalanced for him to take it given that he didn't have the time or the energies to dom me.  It was the most honest route he could have taken.

I don't for one minute think it is his insecurity that is driving this decision, if anything quite the reverse.  As I see it, your dom is making a decision on what he has, ie, little time and a confused submissive.  This is a man that loves you, that trusts your love, but it appears he has his head screwed on too.  You are submissive and to cut out the dominance may possibly have you running for the hills rather than keep you close, but he took a chance, went to his trust and made the call, so it is a very STRONG decision on his part.... maybe you should be respecting him for it.

Maybe this is an ideal opportunity for you to test your own submission (not that I mean HE is testing it).  For me, when faced with little or no dominantion I looked within myself, worked out what I wanted to give, and made sure I gave it, completely regardless of what I was getting in return..  Submission is not all about overt dominance, pain play, etc, it is about the mind.  Just as dominance isn't a need (I quantify need as something that I will die without, and a want as something I would be unhappy without).  To demonstrate this, look at the times you have been without a dom, you are not in danger, just feeling a tad incomplete.

Going back to what you are giong to do, it took many conversations between my Sir and I to understand him, to completely comprehend the depth of what he was trying to achieve, why he was doing it that way, why couldn't I have just a little bit of dominance her and there etc.  It confused me no end and happened periodically over about two years for a period of a few month at a time, however we did come through it, it has made us much stronger together, and the lessons have stayed with me. 

One lesson being that he is my Lord and if he makes a decision I should trust him.  If I am having trouble understanding him I should ask him to explain, and keep asking him (in a submissive manner of course LOL) until I understand.  Ultimately Lord is making a decision that he thinks is best for us both.  I am a great one for not seeing the big picture, whereas Lord sees far in to the future.

Another lesson is patience,  this lifestyle choice is about the domiant's wishes, not the submissive's.  Most of us are allowed to ask for something, whether it be a cuddle, or pain etc, however waiting for something that we WANT is difficult, so bear in mind that this is actually about HIM, and he may choose to give you what you want, but at a time when it suits him.

Another lesson is about you, how much can you bring to the table in the absence of his dominance?  For example, would you be dishonourable to him when he was away working?  I very much doubt it... so now when faced with the lack of jsut his dominance, should you be dishonourable?  There is a corelation between the two.  Just because the dominance is not present  when he is physically with you, does that mean to you that you should not be giving him submission? In my mind, no... however given your first post about 'where is the line' that is something only you can decide if yo uare able to continue the relationship without overt dominance.

There are things you can do when he is there or not to display your submission.  I, for example, always bathe daily as though he was here with me.  There are times when Sir travels for work too, but I don't use it as an excuse to drop my standards of submission.  I still take the same pride in dressing, in cleaning the house as though he was returning at the same time, cook dinner too because even though he is not here I have a duty to him to look after myself for him.  Think about your daily routine and your personal standards, are they your standards, or should they be HIS standards?

Communications, always important!  Clearly you don't understand where he is coming from right now, so talk to him, ask him where he is at, wher he is planning on taking youboth, what is his plan, how are you giong to achieve this goal or that goal, so many things you can be asking him right now.

Finally, good luck.  All is not over yet, and I know you don't want it to be over.  This was never going to be a walk in the park, that is just the nature of the D/s, M/s dynamic, many things about this relationship should challenge you, take you out of your comfort zone so go back to the roots of your submission and work on those :: smiles :

Faith

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RE: When love gets in the way. - 6/3/2007 7:03:32 AM   
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Thank you for your response subsfaith. You pointed out a few things that i hadn't thought of. i haven't stopped being submissive even though my Dom has taken away most of His dominance and i would never ever be unfaithful. i still do all of my chores and i still serve Him in many ways. Nothing has really changed on my side. i told Him that i am a submissive, HIS submissive, whether or not He chooses to Dom me. It's just in my nature. i can't help but be submissive. i WANT to serve Him anyway....purely out of love. i do most of these things that i do because i love Him. We'll work through this, i know we will. It will just take time and a lot of communication.


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RE: When love gets in the way. - 6/3/2007 11:31:38 AM   
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I do think that you are on the right track. Great communication is very important in any relationship. I am seeking a long-term relationship. I do feel that though I might think of how it would be. I do believe that some things are going to be different from what I thought they would be. I think the key is to be patience and communicate to work through the problems.

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RE: When love gets in the way. - 6/3/2007 11:45:44 AM   
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He said that i don't have to do any of the sub things that I've been doing. Basically He ended the D/s dynamic of our relationship.

i was shocked and a little dumbstruck. i didn't know what to do. It felt like a tornado had come through and ripped everything out. What the heck happened here? This is not the reaction i was expecting at all. He wasn't angry or mean about it.


Imagine where you two would be today if instead of remaining silent you had instead said something like "I know you are trying to take care of me but it would work better if you ordered me to deal with you not ordering me"

What I value in an experience submissive is they know that us dominants are far from perfect and quite human.  They can tell us what they need.  Most people want to be treated differently at different times, I can predict often enough to keep someone happy but sometimes I think they want to be used as a hole and instead the need a hug, or I think they want me to make sweet gentle love and instead they want to be raped.  It's nice when they can tell us clearly and even better when they know how to CLEARLY hint.  The other trick is to know that sometimes you may want it rough but I don't and vice versa and you learn to roll with it.  That understanding of your partner is why I will always choose one amazing woman over a harem any day of the week.

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RE: When love gets in the way. - 6/3/2007 11:53:07 AM   
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i haven't stopped being submissive


:: smiles ::

I am so pleased that you haven't subsnow.  Just remember the journey wasn't supposed to be easy, and that this is the right path for you, and keep the faith in your submission.....

You go girl..... :: does a little Rikkia Lake dance around her office ::

Respect to you subsnow :: smiles ::

Faith

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RE: When love gets in the way. - 6/3/2007 11:55:12 AM   
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to make sweet gentle love


What is this that you speak of Michael?  LOL  I often think that if a vanilla were watching us 'make love' they would call the police...... there is NOTHING gentle about it, but it is, to us, nonetheless, making love.

:: grins ::

Faith

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