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RE: Religious Discipline - 5/27/2007 11:01:50 AM   
Domspaintoy


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Status: offline 		im from the UK and if Master turned up in full religious garb id absolutely crack up laughing! i attend church for hatch, match & dispatch only, and only if i have to at that and the very idea of U/us doing a religious scene would be hilarious, actually just for fun i could hire a dog collar and oooo as if! Master in a dog collar LOL no just aint gonna happen.

Mindst you despite all that i can actually see the up side to this now ive thought about it, naughty lil nun and big austere Dominant Priest, hmmm i might have to offer a suggestion to Master .....

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RE: Religious Discipline - 5/27/2007 11:05:21 AM   
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RE: Religious Discipline - 5/27/2007 11:10:39 AM   
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RE: Religious Discipline - 5/31/2007 3:34:21 PM   
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I just have one question....would my catholic school girl fantasy be considered religious....I really hope not...(not sex just being spanked)

I was listening to religious radio yesterday, and remembered that one group does not believe in birth control and most groups do not believe in sexual contact outside of marriage.  So, if you are having sexual contact with anyone other than your spouse during Role Play, you probably deserve a whipping, caning, spanking or other type of chastisement.

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RE: Religious Discipline - 5/31/2007 6:02:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChgoFacilitator

So, if you are having sexual contact with anyone other than your spouse during Role Play, you probably deserve a whipping, caning, spanking or other type of chastisement.


so.....    who gives this punishment/religious discipline ?  
 
 do I see a white collar on the whipper's neck 


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RE: Religious Discipline - 5/31/2007 11:05:00 PM   
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I have no interest in indulging in this type of scene. I don't want to feel any guilt or shame about sex.  The idea of a lifetime of celibacy scares me.


That's probably not what they read into it. Think of it more like taboo breaking, something that can be highly erotic to some.

Personally, I don't engage in it because (a) I respect those people in a way that doesn't create a taboo around them for me, and (b) I'm religious, and considered the priesthood or monastic life, so wouldn't want to mix the sanctity of sex and relationships with the sanctity of the symbols, roles and places used in religious rituals.

I may still go for the priesthood if circumstances allow, but the church that holds the most appeal for me would be the HRCC, and they generally don't allow you to have a wife. If you're determined enough, they'll still take you in, though, and seeing as divorce would be a bad thing, they'll give you an exemption for that. I'm not sure how things would go with regard to celibacy and all that though; I think that's a marital duty for the man as well, as is kids (another thing I won't have). All in all, at the moment, they won't have me as I am, and I'd never join up as anyone I am not.

But if anyone fancies me scrapping the Hail Mary's in favour of a good flogging, that's their fantasy, and fine by me. Maybe I should set up my own church.

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RE: Religious Discipline - 5/31/2007 11:13:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aidan

Being a recovering Catholic (one day at a time), I've had a lot of very, very, very bad thoughts about the Church.


Most recovering Catholics have, it seems. Almost every place with adult DVDs seems to have some strangely non-order-specific nuns in odd fabrics doing whatever their vows might forbid. I can get the "inversion" bit, but I'm having a bit of a problem picturing myself having enjoyable relations with someone who didn't take their vows (any vows) more seriously.

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Nuns seducing the innocent and then blackmailing them with punishment and threats of expulsion, Priestesses (that right there gets me a few more years in Hell) absolving wicked sexual sins with creative uses of holy water and religious symbols...


The topic of priestesses has been opened for discussion several times. I expect one or two more popes before it becomes a fact. Few priestesses of Abrahamic denominations that I've seen are all that hot, though. Who knows ... go back, worm your way into the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, and *ahem* "uncover" some "lost scriptures".

That said, Robert Jordan used nun cloisters as a significant part of his model for the White Tower in his series The Wheel of Time. Said location in said series features magic-wielding women; given the absence of men, and some other factors, you end up with something euphemistically called "pillow friends".

Not that I'm inferring anything, but I'm pretty sure a monastary can get lonely sometimes, and G*d supposedly forgives anything, right? Particularly with the deaconess...

Just human nature, didn't mean to send you for another bucket of ice water.

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RE: Religious Discipline - 5/31/2007 11:24:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChgoFacilitator

I was listening to religious radio yesterday, and remembered that one group does not believe in birth control and most groups do not believe in sexual contact outside of marriage.


Actually, anal sex grew very popular with the young Catholics around here, until the priests caught wind of it (no pun intended), and reminded people that such was just circumventing the letter of the doctrine, not the intent. Then it dropped off a little bit, though not back to baseline. Who said religious prohibitions against various sexual practices didn't have any good sides to it?

That said, it would be entirely possible for the right couple to live as a D/s or M/s couple while still having one of the parties be a priest(ess), if they are okay with celibacy. In fact, the church used to own slaves all the time, so it's not like there isn't precedent for the local priest to have a slave.

Lots of opportunities that can be used for one that's actually a priest.

Of course, you could be outed, and might have to do a fair bit of defending your position, but if you're willing to take it to the papal level, the guy does seem to have a solid head on his shoulders, so a properly thought out argument could conceivably save the cloth.

With regard to RP instead, "artistic" liberties can be taken, of course, and religious prohibitions suddenly become a non-issue, so one can get right to it without carefully considering things in context.

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So, if you are having sexual contact with anyone other than your spouse during Role Play, you probably deserve a whipping, caning, spanking or other type of chastisement.


Most churches, and indeed most western secular worldviews, don't condone contact with someone who isn't the spouse. Which is not to say there's anything wrong with it.

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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/1/2007 12:03:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do have this recurring fantasy of a religious nature...and the poster a couple ahead of me here totally reminded me of it.  Its not so much a depiction of religious discipline, per se, but rather a sexy little ritual.

In this scene, I am a  modern-day Priestess-witch of sorts who is about to initiate my beloved into my "cult". ;)  There is an altar which he kneels before, and then at one point he must lie naked upon it and he is bound to the table.   I annoint him with oil and some natural juices of my own.  I wield a lit taper candle over his body, because, of course, an altar is not complete without candles.  Then I drip the wax over his chest, stomach, etc and write my name over and over in his skin.  Some really hot, powerful words are exchanged as he prepares to sacrifice his body to my whims.  And yeah, in this fantasy I usually end up having some sex with him because by now I am so worked up from his moans and sighs over the hot wax that I can't possibly resist.  Save for a few logisitcal details, the initiation is complete. 

I sure hope I haven't offended anyone, as that is not my intent.  Something about mixing the sacred and the profane on various levels is extremely erotic to me.

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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/1/2007 4:14:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DeviantDiva

I do have this recurring fantasy of a religious nature...Something about mixing the sacred and the profane on various levels is extremely erotic to me.
Welcome to the human race!!  I love all of your responses.  Thanks to those of you who have been SO forthcoming.  I wish we could all talk over coffee or tea.  Send me an email if you dont want your reply/confession scrutinized publicly.
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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/2/2007 10:34:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find most of this discussion rather odd, coming from a place where sex is a sort of sacrament in itself. Also, my notions of D/s (and other things) involve a fair amount of ritual, so BDSM in general seems like a religious activity to me. In fact, a large part of what distinguishes BDSM from mere wife-beating and similar anti-social behaviours is it's ritual aspect and attendant 'spiritual' (for want of a better word) connections. I sometimes think that organized religion is for people who don't get D/s.



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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/2/2007 11:17:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: shyinini

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ORIGINAL: ChgoFacilitator

So, if you are having sexual contact with anyone other than your spouse during Role Play, you probably deserve a whipping, caning, spanking or other type of chastisement.


so.....    who gives this punishment/religious discipline ?  
 
 do I see a white collar on the whipper's neck 


Sir's encouraged girl 



haha thanx

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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/2/2007 4:42:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Citizen Cane,

Very well said.  So much about D/s and BDSM already revolves around ritual.  When I think of the word "ritual", it tends to connote a sacred activity in my mind.  I also like how you described sex as a kind of sacrament too. 

Thank you for sharing.

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ORIGINAL: CitizenCane

I find most of this discussion rather odd, coming from a place where sex is a sort of sacrament in itself. Also, my notions of D/s (and other things) involve a fair amount of ritual, so BDSM in general seems like a religious activity to me. In fact, a large part of what distinguishes BDSM from mere wife-beating and similar anti-social behaviours is it's ritual aspect and attendant 'spiritual' (for want of a better word) connections. I sometimes think that organized religion is for people who don't get D/s.




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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/2/2007 7:38:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CitizenCane

I find most of this discussion rather odd, coming from a place where sex is a sort of sacrament in itself.


In some faiths, sex is a sacrament, under certain circumstances. To the Abrahamic faiths, sex between a husband and wife are supposed to be a sacrament; some suggest that there may have been elements of sacred prostitution or such, but that's not widely accepted among most current organized faiths of such denomination.

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Also, my notions of D/s (and other things) involve a fair amount of ritual, so BDSM in general seems like a religious activity to me.


Rituals, to me, are tools of the mind. It's something that's fairly deeply seated in us, to the extent that humans even have rituals for informal social contact (what to say to who at what time, etc.). At the very least, it serves as a behavioural conditioning tool.

What makes D/s spiritual to me, is that my faith espouses free will as the most sacred gift humanity has been given. Through that, the act of submission becomes a sacrament, the entry into voluntary slavery a sacred calling, something divine.

Of course, if I ever do become a priest of any faith I don't found, I expect I'll have to keep that one to myself.

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In fact, a large part of what distinguishes BDSM from mere wife-beating and similar anti-social behaviours is it's ritual aspect and attendant 'spiritual' (for want of a better word) connections.


No, what distinguishes BDSM from wife-beating and such is the presence of explicit, prior consent, and hopefully some mutual enjoyment of it as well.

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I sometimes think that organized religion is for people who don't get D/s.


That's probably very overgeneralized, but there would seem to be some truth to it.

Most of humanity needs submission in some form and on some level, regardless of gender. To be guided, to be controlled and to defer concerns of safety and responsibility. Not being owned, certainly, I think, but submission. It would go a long way toward explaining why human societies work the way they do.

Submission to a church may bear a significant element of that; in some cases, but not all, the religion itself may have an element of that to it, as well.


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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/2/2007 10:18:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just a thought for tomorrow morning-think of all those ladies sitting on cold, hard pews, like the story of O, with no panties and their skirt pulled up to allow their bare cheeks to rest directly on the wooden bench.  They may be dreaming about the spanking they'll receive afterwards!

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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/3/2007 3:12:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, there is something about a fantasy while sitting in a church pew. Catching sight of a beautiful woman sitting in front. Maybe all you can see is the nape of her neck, but it is enough for you to let your imagination go and make you grab that shiny wooden seat as the minister preaches against sin.

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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/3/2007 4:25:21 AM   
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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/3/2007 6:35:00 AM   
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...and then there's the alter table....sigh.............
You T/two are a match made in heaven

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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/3/2007 9:53:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Ah, there is something about a fantasy while sitting in a church pew. Catching sight of a beautiful woman sitting in front. Maybe all you can see is the nape of her neck, but it is enough for you to let your imagination go and make you grab that shiny wooden seat as the minister preaches against sin.

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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/3/2007 12:14:25 PM   
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In fact, a large part of what distinguishes BDSM from mere wife-beating and similar anti-social behaviours is it's ritual aspect and attendant 'spiritual' (for want of a better word) connections.


No, what distinguishes BDSM from wife-beating and such is the presence of explicit, prior consent, and hopefully some mutual enjoyment of it as well.





'Explicit prior consent' may be the hallmark of 'lifestyle BDSM', but it's not necessarily a prominent or even present aspect of D/s.  First of all, the term 'Explicit' is something that tends only to be useful in a narrowly defined situation- as, for instance, a BDSM 'play' session, where people can agree in advance on the minutest details of their interaction in the scene. In the open-ended context of a long-term relationship based on dominance and submission, it's not practical.
Further, the very concept of 'dominance and submission' is one in which 'consent' in the usual sense is irrelevant. Dominance and submission are an interaction of subjective states, and they can't be negotiated as such. They occur from the impact of individual's actions and reactions on the psyche of another.  If one engages in actions that tend to establish 'dominance' and another submits to them, this can be read as consent, but it's equally valid to consider this a non-volitional response.
It's also worth considering the context of 'consent'. The 'traditional marriage' of many cultures (including the mainstream American tradition) involves an expectation of the husband controlling the wife, so the marriage ceremony itself ('love, honor and obey') can be read as consent, and there is a great body of evidence that both husbands and wives have frequently interpreted it this way even in regards to wife beating.
As for mutual enjoyment, certainly in any relationship there are things that only one, or neither, party enjoy, and this is certainly true of D/s. 'Enjoying punishment' is an oxymoron, but punishment (not play punishment) is an active dynamic in many D/s relationships.  If you mean 'mutual satisfaction', I would find that more appropriate, but not very informative or precise.
Power imbalances exist in all relationships, the distinguishing feature of D/s is that they are formalized and actively embraced- and this combination generally involves a great deal of ritualization. Wife beating is certainly about dominance and submission, but it lacks the formal aspects of what we recognize as D/s.




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