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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/4/2007 8:10:57 PM

Aswad

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ORIGINAL: ChgoFacilitator

Just a thought for tomorrow morning-think of all those ladies sitting on cold, hard pews, like the story of O, with no panties and their skirt pulled up to allow their bare cheeks to rest directly on the wooden bench. They may be dreaming about the spanking they'll receive afterwards!

That was not exactly what I had in mind if I ever were to go the route of organized religion, whether founding one or joining one.

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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/4/2007 8:13:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Ah, there is something about a fantasy while sitting in a church pew. Catching sight of a beautiful woman sitting in front. Maybe all you can see is the nape of her neck, but it is enough for you to let your imagination go and make you grab that shiny wooden seat as the minister preaches against sin.

Someone once commented on sitting in church on Christmas Eve or somesuch and seeing a woman in front of her whose neck was exposed, and thinking how good it would look with a collar on it. "Pity I can't get you her for Christmas!"

For me, though, it takes a bit more than exposed skin to get me going.

As for preaching against sin, who ever said it was a sin to appreciate the glory of Creation, hmm?

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RE: Religious Discipline - 6/4/2007 8:19:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: CitizenCane

'Explicit prior consent' may be the hallmark of 'lifestyle BDSM', but it's not necessarily a prominent or even present aspect of D/s.

Fair enough. By that logic, wife-beating would appear to be a subset of D/s, though, unless the wife leaves. Which is rarely the case.

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First of all, the term 'Explicit' is something that tends only to be useful in a narrowly defined situation- as, for instance, a BDSM 'play' session, where people can agree in advance on the minutest details of their interaction in the scene. In the open-ended context of a long-term relationship based on dominance and submission, it's not practical.

By "explicit", I mean "actually communicated", as opposed to "taken for granted".

It is possible to explicitly (in that sense) give prior informed consent to entering into open-ended slavery in a dictionary-definition sense of the word.

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Power imbalances exist in all relationships, the distinguishing feature of D/s is that they are formalized and actively embraced- and this combination generally involves a great deal of ritualization.

Yes. And "formalized" carries much the same connotation as what I mean by "explicit".

As for ritualization, I've seen people do it with and without.

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Wife beating is certainly about dominance and submission, but it lacks the formal aspects of what we recognize as D/s.

~nod~

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