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kc692 -> RE: Reality Check (5/19/2005 7:01:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Shayna

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I want the internet to be a useful resource instead of fantasyland and money seeking

mercnbeth:

Can we base your sincerity on the assets and income you posted on your profile?


LOL I was thinking the same thing when I viewed his profile. For the OP: I read your whole profile AND I have ADD.

[;)]



RFLMAO!!!!!!




kc692 -> RE: Reality Check (5/19/2005 7:03:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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You are sooooooooooooo unpolitically correct Realist.


Not only is he unpolitically correct, he is also very unrealistic!

- LA


Should he change his handle????[:D]




MsSilvie -> RE: Reality Check (5/19/2005 8:28:21 PM)

Well, I don't know which sites some of the rest of you are using. Personally, I've found some of the most reality challenged people I've EVER seen in bdsm boards. From the whining, immature, money grabbing dommes who think all that is required for a successful D/s relationship is to grace you with Their Dommely Presence to the submissives that are eyeing up an ideal spot in my basement for that cozy little cage of their dreams.

I know full well that not EVERYONE involved in bdsm is like this. I'm not "bashing someone's kink". I'm just amazed that some of you seem to not be aware of this particular element of kooks with profiles.

I've moderated IRC channels and boards for people with depression and related disorders. In those areas, at least people recognize that they need help!

Anyone who needs enlightenment, just drop me a pm. I'll be more than happy to point out some of the more obvious nut cases over in the profile section.




RiotGirl -> RE: Reality Check (5/19/2005 8:54:43 PM)

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Not only is he unpolitically correct, he is also very unrealistic!

- LA


yeah but i'm not going to debate something like this = )




vtmaster -> RE: Reality Check (5/19/2005 9:26:51 PM)

There is not much I could say to add to the wisdom and wit of those who have preceeded my post, but it should serve as a signal to Realist that there are any number of ways people relate to BDSM in their lives - all of which are valid. I personally am still exploring and growing in understanding my needs as a Dominant and like Realist [and many others] I balance those needs with the day-to-dayness of my life.

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I have noticed a large trend in our community, if it can be called a community anymore. Fantasy has outstripped reality for many of us, maybe even the majority. In fantasyland, people give up their lives, jobs, and homes, when they meet a suitable dominant. It's as if they have no real life at all. So many people now have this sort of fantasy in their ads that real world BDSM players with reasonable desires, are the minority.


If you have identified this already as fantasyland then where is the problem? And why would fantastic desires not be reasonable? It seems to me that the definition of a "real life" should belong to the person living it. You complain that there is no community - is this because there are ideas and opinions that diverge from your own?

Personally I consider myself fortunate to have stumbled across cm and to be exposed to the wide range of ideas freely shared among its' members. It's instructive and enlightening to my point of view and a reason to celebrate, not disdain.

Your assumption that those who aspire to fantasyland have no real life really is just an assumption. I imagine you have a rewarding career [although I think we all agree you are BS about income/assets] - I imagine this is not because you decided to be "realistic" and settle for some lousy job, but because you let your aspirations guide the choices you made which eventually got you where you wanted to be.

Sounds like a way of turning fantasy into reality to me .....

BDSM may not be the focal point of your life - neither is it mine - but what is reasonable and what is not is a personal choice.

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I want the internet to be a useful resource instead of fantasyland


To this I say "Then make it one".

Oh - welcome to cm.

S.




darksparkle -> RE: Reality Check (5/19/2005 10:06:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dragonofjapan

What!?! There are different kinds of BDSM? Next thing you'll try be be saying things like they eat different kinds of food, shop at unauthorized stores and have thoughts outside those allowed in the BDSM manual Chapter 5 through 7.

*I was referring to the Dominance and submission aspect... More specifically how I thrive best, (my take on it), using the Internal Enslavement dynamics.


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ORIGINAL: dragonofjapan

For myself, I do not play.
I do not have relationships which involve someone living at there house and myself living at mine, after the initial test driving period.
I do not think someone who has their own thoughts, a career or even social friends other than mine cannot be in a marraige with me and deeply commited to serving me as I am commited to serving them.

**Much in the same manner in which you also made mention of your dynamics in your post......


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ORIGINAL: dragonofjapan

Your take sounds just a bit anal to me.

***It's all good! I think it's great that we can choose what works best for our own self & at the same time learn about the ways of others by participating in these open minded boards. [;)]




LadyAngelika -> RE: Reality Check (5/20/2005 4:47:04 AM)

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I thank those who had sincere things to say.
I sincerely believe that everything everyone said was sincere. Sincere means truth, not agreeing.

- LA




stormsfate -> RE: Reality Check (5/20/2005 6:04:27 AM)

<shrug> To me, Donald Trump lives in fantasy land. Imagine someone having that much money and flying from here to there, buying up buildings, blah, blah, blah. Reality is in the eyes/mind of the beholder. Just because it is not my reality doesn't mean it isn't someone's reality somewhere.

That being said...why do you care? Why this need to fit everyone into the same box? Why not just live your reality the way you choose and let all the rest of the poor, misguided fools seek their own reality? From my perspective, what I'm doing at the moment doesn't change what I am. A race horse may not be racing 24/7, but it doesn't change the fact that its a race horse.

best regards,
fate




kc692 -> RE: Reality Check (5/20/2005 7:54:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MsSilvie

Well, I don't know which sites some of the rest of you are using. Personally, I've found some of the most reality challenged people I've EVER seen in bdsm boards. From the whining, immature, money grabbing dommes who think all that is required for a successful D/s relationship is to grace you with Their Dommely Presence to the submissives that are eyeing up an ideal spot in my basement for that cozy little cage of their dreams.

I know full well that not EVERYONE involved in bdsm is like this. I'm not "bashing someone's kink". I'm just amazed that some of you seem to not be aware of this particular element of kooks with profiles.

I've moderated IRC channels and boards for people with depression and related disorders. In those areas, at least people recognize that they need help!

Anyone who needs enlightenment, just drop me a pm. I'll be more than happy to point out some of the more obvious nut cases over in the profile section.


What you say may be true, mssilvie, but, as you know from the boards, there are real people here, and also 24/7 dynamic relationships...noone is not sayng there is not a lot of bs on this site,,,you will find it on any site, whether on vanilla, swinger, or BDSM...the OP had the take that 24/7 is truly impossible, and that just is not correct. BS and unrealistic people abound everywhere, there are also kernels that do exist among the chaff. Realist just doesn't seem to see that, or take the time to find out..




LadyAngelika -> RE: Reality Check (5/20/2005 4:54:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsSilvie

Well, I don't know which sites some of the rest of you are using. Personally, I've found some of the most reality challenged people I've EVER seen in bdsm boards. From the whining, immature, money grabbing dommes who think all that is required for a successful D/s relationship is to grace you with Their Dommely Presence to the submissives that are eyeing up an ideal spot in my basement for that cozy little cage of their dreams.

I know full well that not EVERYONE involved in bdsm is like this. I'm not "bashing someone's kink". I'm just amazed that some of you seem to not be aware of this particular element of kooks with profiles.

I've moderated IRC channels and boards for people with depression and related disorders. In those areas, at least people recognize that they need help!

Anyone who needs enlightenment, just drop me a pm. I'll be more than happy to point out some of the more obvious nut cases over in the profile section.


So can I ask then, if this is honestly your perspective, why do you come here? This is not an attempt at being smug. But honestly, I wonder why people keep going to places that don't give them what they are looking for.

- LA




MsSilvie -> RE: Reality Check (5/20/2005 6:08:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: MsSilvie

Well, I don't know which sites some of the rest of you are using. Personally, I've found some of the most reality challenged people I've EVER seen in bdsm boards. From the whining, immature, money grabbing dommes who think all that is required for a successful D/s relationship is to grace you with Their Dommely Presence to the submissives that are eyeing up an ideal spot in my basement for that cozy little cage of their dreams.

I know full well that not EVERYONE involved in bdsm is like this. I'm not "bashing someone's kink". I'm just amazed that some of you seem to not be aware of this particular element of kooks with profiles.

I've moderated IRC channels and boards for people with depression and related disorders. In those areas, at least people recognize that they need help!

Anyone who needs enlightenment, just drop me a pm. I'll be more than happy to point out some of the more obvious nut cases over in the profile section.


So can I ask then, if this is honestly your perspective, why do you come here? This is not an attempt at being smug. But honestly, I wonder why people keep going to places that don't give them what they are looking for.

- LA


I seldom AM here. I've deactivated my profile. All I do is occasionally post on the boards, since I feel I can be helpful for people who do need a reality check, or insight and perspective not found in John Norman novels. I’ve also taken away some good advice and companionship from posters and other people I’ve met via this site.

I attend the local munches and functions, and in the future will use word of mouth referrals for the most part for finding partners. It's a lot less frustrating. Obviously not every single user of the system is a deranged idiot, but the reasonable, responsible, reality based people are definitely in a minority, in my experience.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Reality Check (5/20/2005 6:17:59 PM)

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Obviously not every single user of the system is a deranged idiot, but the reasonable, responsible, reality based people are definitely in a minority, in my experience.


Well I find that in society at large! :)

I actually like most of the people here, even if we don't always agree on everything.

- LA




MsSilvie -> RE: Reality Check (5/20/2005 6:26:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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Obviously not every single user of the system is a deranged idiot, but the reasonable, responsible, reality based people are definitely in a minority, in my experience.


Well I find that in society at large! :)

I actually like most of the people here, even if we don't always agree on everything.

- LA



"Agreement" has nothing to do with it. I enjoy intelligent alternate views and perspectives a great deal.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Reality Check (5/20/2005 6:30:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsSilvie

"Agreement" has nothing to do with it. I enjoy intelligent alternate views and perspectives a great deal.



Exactly my point! I really enjoying coming here and hearing all the perspectives.

- LA




MsSilvie -> RE: Reality Check (5/20/2005 6:44:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Exactly my point! I really enjoying coming here and hearing all the perspectives.



The majority of the "progressive free-thinkers" are only accepting of others perspectives when they are in agreement with their own perspectives. Surely you are familiar with just how petty and nasty people can get when their views are challenged. You don't need to look very far for examples.




kc692 -> RE: Reality Check (5/22/2005 3:25:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

You are sooooooooooooo unpolitically correct Realist. Enjoy, enjoy enjoy, the thread you've created = ) You broke a rule and yer gonna get in trouble (said in a sing song little girl voice)


[:D] YOU have a good day as i will watching what the responses are = )

(and good luck)


Decided not to stoop to his level....so snip, snipp




realist -> RE: Reality Check (5/22/2005 5:13:09 PM)

Thanks to all for your responses. I had a great weekend and hope you all did too.


It was claimed I'm new here. No, this is my third nickname. I've been aware of this site for years. Though, I have not participated in some time.

It was claimed I'm bitter or upset, no I'm not. I'm delivering editorial comment for good reason.

It was said I'm frustrated, no I'm not. I'm a very happy person with a great family life, lovelife, and sexlife. (listed in order of importance)

It was asked, if this site doesn't have what I want, why am I here? To make the public statement that BDSM lifestyle mythology held online precludes participation by the vast majority of our community. There are a couple dozen posters here, several hundred active profiles at Collarme.com, and tens of millions of BDSM enthusiasts not participating in this site. It is perfectly fair and logical to ask why that is and attempt to find answers.

It was said that if one is religious, that factor never fades or stops being in force. Yes it does. When you obey secular law, you act in that legal secular regard and you do drop your religious regard to do so. Just as there is a separation of church and state, which creates such secular law, there is an empirically obvious separation of human sexuality and the rest of life. It's a common sense argument to note that one is not sexual or holding a sex role while performing acts that are not sexual, like driving a car, parenting, working a career, paying the bills, eating food, or playing a sport. A sub or dom you may indeed be, in exclusively sexual regards, but in the rest of life, the vast majority of your lifetime, you are anything but that sexual being. Thus, 24/7 does not and cannot exist.

If 24/7 did exist, then no act by the participants would have a non-sexual nature to it. That would be an overwhelming obsession and not at all psychologically healthy. Try the same with food and you'll not survive it. Claiming infinite sexual being is really just a competition to see who's the most sexually elite, the most submissively or dominantly "pure", or a veritable sexual authority. This becomes absurd when one considers the question of how purely sexual people perform any non-sexual function. This becomes arbitrary and contrived when we ask what career is good, or what car make, or what side dish with dinner, is the proper choice for the 24/7 player. None of that, or the bulk of life, is sexual. If one wishes to claim otherwise, they have a significant burden of proof required to back the claim. I think they'll merely do as all UFO abductees have, and claim that because they've lived it, you can take their word for it.

The grave problem online then is the collective reification of desired mythology by the tiny vocal minority. An excellent myth-induced common statement epitomizing this phenomenon is when people list their hard limits and add "no scat, and no kids". If those are even in your sexual universe, you're either destined for disease or considering the possibility being a criminal of the lowest order, by going just a tad too far, thus the hard limits must be stated online as such. These are the statements of people who do not have real world experience, just online adherence to popular mythology. But is that soundbyte questioned online? I only saw it questioned once, by a real life Domme friend of mine. The problem is that the online perceived reality carries these ridiculous continuums that end up ever-increasingly departing from reality. Those of us who do not do so, comment often in the real world, that online mythology is just mental pretending.

There is no greater case of mental pretending than "cybersex". It's not sex, it's typing about sex. A typed description of a car is not a car. A typed description of sex is not sex.

It is this departure from reality that I question the outcomes of.

Why do the vast majority of BDSMers not come here? How come so many who do soon leave and never return? What drives them away or causes them to never interact online? It is the online mythology where 24/7 is real, where "no scat, no kids" is the common hard limit catchphrase, where pretending typing is sex runs rampant, where seeking money from exploiting someone's kinks is called a valid fetish and never raw greed, and only those ready to relocate and give up all financial assets are "for real".

The thing I don't like about all that is, more than the fact it's just pretended bullshit, more than anything else, is that it drives away regular, well grounded reasonable people who are good parents to their kids, who have good jobs, who have rich and rewarding lives, who make good friends, who don't stoop to argue trivia, who save badmouthing an individual (like me, for example) for when it's really needed and the matter is important, and who make no tie whatsoever between how much money you have and whether or not they're sexually interested in you. (do you understand the listed assets in my profile now?)

I suppose it's no different than if I posted at a UFO abductee forum and said I didn't think aliens were real. I don't think the online BDSM subculture is remotely realistic, but my life is. I do well at munches. I have never met one person from a munch who expected another to relocate, give up all assets, live a 24/7 sexlife, be a "true slave", or called typing a form of sex. I did meet one guy once who said Gor was a viable lifestyle. He got very upset when I asked him if I could pet his Larl kittycat.

People don't like it when you tell them their pretending is pretend.

But what I'm saying is that by creating a collective mythology online, the vast majority of realistic BDSMers have been disenfranchised and are not here.

My hope is to make these statements alongside the commonly pretended content and let more than one content be available, even if just in this thread. I am not here to conflict, I am here to contrast. By calling popular myths merely pretending, I am hoping that realism will rise and rival online pretending. I suspect that'll be more attractive and do better than what the online BDSM realm has thus far accomplished. I think sharing realism is going to make better relationships than sharing fantasy, myth, and pretended group-content. I think that would attract a greater portion of the silent BDSM majority of our community and ease the impact derived of the gulf of difference between BDSM reality and online collective pretending.




FakeWantsMoney -> RE: Reality Check (5/22/2005 5:17:44 PM)

CollarMe has deteriorated into a haven for desperate people milking others out of money. I can say with confidence that a large percentage of profiles are actually scams.




Estring -> RE: Reality Check (5/22/2005 5:39:26 PM)

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I think that would attract a greater portion of the silent BDSM majority of our community and ease the impact derived of the gulf of difference between BDSM reality and online collective pretending.


The silent majority are silent because they are too busy living bdsm to worry about what people do online. The internet itself is very conducive to dishonesty and fakery. We all know that. You may as well try to change the weather.




ginger21 -> RE: Reality Check (5/22/2005 6:10:58 PM)

I must say I disagree with the author wholeheartedly on many of his points, but I understand.

I've seen the some of the Domme's profiles here on CM- and alot of them ask for "tribute"...I even saw one that said "Boys, bring diamonds." That's ridiculous and I'm sure many a male sub/slave have encountered a greedy woman that looked to take advantage of a willing partner.

So, I feel like his rant was one of frustration- I'm sure he just got done dealing with one of these narcissistic hussies and needed somewhere to vent.




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