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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 5:17:49 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret

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Fucking with my children will piss me off.

I suspect the same could be said for bears.


I was thinking more along the lines accidentally coming across a bear and her cubs; as in surprising her.




I imagine that in the mind of a bear, that qualifies as fucking with her kids.

Q.E.D.

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 5:25:23 PM   
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I imagine that in the mind of a bear, that qualifies as fucking with her kids.

Q.E.D.



This is true.

I got the impression the OP has not been camping before. The information was for her not to oppose you.

Q.E.D.?

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 5:30:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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Or put PLENTY of food out smothered with honey and lay in wait with a 30.06.
You ARE taking a large caliber sidearm with you for bears and wild hogs right?


"Live to kill, kill to live."

The Great White Hunter, KLOS 95.5 (Brian Phelps)

Sinergy

p.s.  Have you ever seen a living wild animal you didn't want to kill, popeye?

p.p.s.  I was reading an article today in Scientific American about a group that is discussing "re-wilding" North America.  The population in the center of our country is diminishing, and our country and environment and biosphere will not really repopulate and recover from the centuries of human slaughter of animals until the large animals are introduced.  It made the point that since we have reintroduced wolves into Yellowstone, the deer and elk populations have now recovered to the point where they are healthy and surviving.

If we allow the population to recover naturally, we will have to wait 1000s, 10000s, or 100000s of thousands of years.  Apparently, we repopulate antelope, bring elephants and other large land animals from Africa and India, and large predators like lions and tigers to the United States, our biosphere will build itself back up.

Was an interesting article.  I have considered for a long time the importance of reforesting the southwest.

Sinergy

I like my cat "Bubba."
Seriously, if you're going camping in a wild, secluded area you should have a gun with you!
Many people have been attacked by other people while camping out as well. (Serial killers, psychos etc or someone who just wants to "make you squeel like a pig!")
And *anyone* who goes hiking or camping in *Grizzley Bear Country* un-armed I just do not have any pity for if they get attacked!  Talk about foolish!
You're walking around on the bear's DINNER TABLE!!
You're moving, vulnerable and warm, just like his dinner!
The Park Rangers should forbid people from hiking in Griz Country unless they're armed.

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 5:40:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some things that I would suggest since you are hiking and may need to hang things, would be some 550 cord.. which can be purchased at your local hiking store or in Walmart in the camping section. I would also suggest a small metal little one piece dish with fork and knife if your planning on cooking a meal while at the camp site... as well as some simple things like a onion and peppers.

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 5:41:32 PM   
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I like my cat "Bubba."



Bubba is a feral cat?  You saw my use of the word "wild" in my sentence, right?

if

a)  If Bubba is feral

and

b)  You have not killed Bubba

then

Your example of Bubba is relevant to the question I asked.  Otherwise...

Please answer the question...

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Seriously, if you're going camping in a wild, secluded area you should have a gun with you!



I have camped all over the high Sierras without a gun.  Whats your point?

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Many people have been attacked by other people while camping out as well. (Serial killers, psychos etc or someone who just wants to "make you squeel like a pig!")



Sure, there is a .00000000000000000000001% chance of this.  Of course, a gun is no guarantee it will help.

I prefer to go with 19 loud, boisterous party animals.

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And *anyone* who goes hiking or camping in *Grizzley Bear Country* un-armed I just do not have any pity for if they get attacked!  Talk about foolish!



I have gone hiking and camping in Grizzly Bear country.  Generally with a large group of people making a lot of noise.

Some of us did have pepper spray.

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You're walking around on the bear's DINNER TABLE!!
You're moving, vulnerable and warm, just like his dinner!



Very few Grizzlys are man-eaters.  Grizzly Bears kill people because they are having a bad morning.  It is black bears that kill people for dinner.

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The Park Rangers should forbid people from hiking in Griz Country unless they're armed.



When I used to go hiking in the Canadian Rockies, whole quadrants of hiking trails would be closed if a Grizzly or grizzly scat was sighted.

Although most of the people I know who went hiking up there preferred pepper spray to a firearm.  For one thing, it is a lot more effective.  Putting a bullet or two in a grizzly, unless you get a shot in the mouth or eye or from the side into the torso, probably will do nothing more than piss it off.  Blind it with pepper spray, you are forgotten completely.

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 5:50:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sinergy, "Bubba" is a TOMCAT, he's wild as shit!
One time he accidently got into my Viagra and was chasing me around the house!
He wanted to go out with the lady kitties!
I had to replace a screen!

You take pepperspray I'll take a .44 magnum.

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 6:08:00 PM   
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Completely unrelated to BDSM...
I am going camping for my first time EVER. I am running up against a wall trying to figure out what I need, dont need, can and cant pack...
I know there are plenty of us here who are outdoorsmen and outdoorswomen. I would greatly appreciate help, since my first campout is planned for June 9-10. I am going with a group, and they are trying to help get me ready, but they are all very exprienced. Its the same pitfall we fall into here with experienced vs. newbie... too many assume there are things I already know and it doesnt occur to them to mention it.  Which is why I am branching out :)

I have a tent (enough room for 2) a backpack and a hydration pack (2 liter) but thats about it.

Any thoughts  or suggestions on what I might want to consider?

DV


This is basic.  I can't believe anyone has a hard time with this.  The answer is quite simple:  Bring a credit card and your cell phone.

A better (and more obvious) question would be; If you must go camping, will you be camping at the Hilton or the Marriot?

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 7:28:49 PM   
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Q.E.D.

 
"Q.E.D. is an abbreviation of the Latin phrase "quod erat demonstrandum" (literally, "which was to be demonstrated"). In simple terms, the use of this Latin phrase is to indicate that something has been definitively proven."

Is this what you meant by that?


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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 7:40:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since there is a river to bathe in, I'd recommend biodegradable soap, which you can buy at most camping stores.  They have biodegradable dish soap too.  If you're going to enjoy the outdoors, you might as well go easy on the environment too.  :)

Between those (probably cold) river baths, for quick washups and feeling fresh, Wet Ones or unscented baby wipes are invaluable.  They're available in flat packages for easy packing.  You can also use them to clean your hands before and after food preparation.

Can't say it enough...a good bedroll/bedpad will make the difference between being sore the whole trip and getting a good night's sleep.

Invest in a Swiss Army knife with the basic tools (blade, scissors, screwdriver, etc.)  You'll use it for more than camping ever after.

A few garbage bags to help tote out/pack out garbage (food wrappings, etc.) and dirty/wet/stinky laundry.

Please post and tell us all about the trip!

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 8:08:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, camping sounds like too much work.
You'll have to carry 100 pounds of stuff that costs a lot of money a couple of miles then set it all up to be eaten alive by mosquitos.
"Roughing it" to me is the Holiday Inn.
I think the last time I camped out was in the 1960's.
Shortly thereafter I joined the Navy instead of the Marines.

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 8:30:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello Diurnal Vampire!  Camping can be a whole lotta fun,
being eaten alive by mosquitos and other bugs is horrid.
 
Pack long-sleeved buty thin shirts and pants, tuck the pants
into your socks and add an extra layer of repellent on the
clothing and under the clothing.  Sweat and perfume, shampoo,
scents of any kind attract insects.  Some of the camping gear companies sell
clothing that both blocks UV rays and is bug-repellent,
try Lands End and L.L. Bean camping clothing, both are Online.
 
Have a fabulous time out in nature and come back with some
great stories and photos to share! 

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 8:35:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK Popeye, I have to ask how your cat swallowed Viagra pills on his own. 
Cats are notorious for hating to take pills! 
(I had scars on my hands and arms to prove this!)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Sinergy, "Bubba" is a TOMCAT, he's wild as shit!
One time he accidently got into my Viagra and was chasing me around the house!
He wanted to go out with the lady kitties!
I had to replace a screen!



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So in this gray haze we'll be meating again, and on that
great day, I will tease you all the same."
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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 9:09:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ven, I had it in a pill cutter and lost a piece.
His food dish was right under the counter on the floor.
The next day I found a piece of blue coating material that covers the pill in his food dish!
I don't know how much he got but when he came in the next morning he slept for two days!

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 9:42:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

Completely unrelated to BDSM...
I am going camping for my first time EVER. I am running up against a wall trying to figure out what I need, dont need, can and cant pack...
I know there are plenty of us here who are outdoorsmen and outdoorswomen. I would greatly appreciate help, since my first campout is planned for June 9-10. I am going with a group, and they are trying to help get me ready, but they are all very exprienced. Its the same pitfall we fall into here with experienced vs. newbie... too many assume there are things I already know and it doesnt occur to them to mention it.  Which is why I am branching out :)

I have a tent (enough room for 2) a backpack and a hydration pack (2 liter) but thats about it.

Any thoughts  or suggestions on what I might want to consider?

DV


DV.....

I've only read the posts on the first page, so what I'm about to tell you might have already been covered.

Wear some good, high quality, comfortable shoes....whether they be boots or tennis shoes; don't skimp here if you're gonna be doing a significant amount of walking. For the life of me, I'll never be able to understand why so many folks choose to roll with cheap shoes.

If you're in a wilderness area.....I'd pick up a cheap marine, metal or plastic whistle with a laynard cord and decent quality LED flashlight. Granted certain parts of Tennessee are mountainous and full of rugged terrain similar to here in Oregon, rest assured that you will be surrounded by many many more people than you would be if you were out camping on the west coast.

A few have mentioned getting wet, swimming in rivers, etc. Let me caution you here.....I have no idea as to where or what rivers you will be around, but keep in mind that if it's a river with any significant gradient, you need to proceed with caution when entering the water.

 The ''serene'' and ''pool like'' conditions in certain parts of such rivers are extremely deceptive. Lat year, in three-and-half months here in Oregon, somewhere close to forty people drowned in the rivers here; either because they were drunk and stupid or they were just plain unfamiliar with swimming in a river with strong ''eddylines'' and down-river current.

Not to scare you or over-emphasize, but the ''laminar'' currents flowing underneath the surface, down river, can be treacherous for someone not familiar with them. They cause the unfamiliar to experience a total loss of control, which then brings-on an initial stage of panic that causes the frightened swimmer to swallow water and further panic.

If you plan to swim in a mountain river.....do yourself a huge favor and bring a decent life jacket. Man.....it's really better to be safe than sorry.



Have fun  ; }




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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 10:00:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wear long pants anymore when I hike. Most people wear shorts. In shorts I get poison ivy and massive cuts from stickers. I have not took a snake bite yet, but I would hope it bites into my pants instead of my leg. I do cycle camping trips anymore, but I do lots of walking when I am the campground. If anybody wants to see my pictures of my cycle pop up camper from my trip last week, send me a message and I will send you my photo link.

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 10:20:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, Thank you all for your advice. I am only going for a one night campout this time out, so some of the stuff is a littl emore than I ahve to be concerned with just yet. I do have a pair of long pants tohike in, and shorts to change into when we finaly settle down for the night. One of the other guys has a spare inflatable bedroll and I bought a nice sleeping bag that can unzip and be used as just a blanket if i decide to do that. I have a snakebite kit, bug spray( that is good for ticks as well) and a citronella candle for the campsight. I have waterproof matches, one MRE for dinner that night, 2 extra bottles of water beyond what I have in my hydration pack, an emergency blanket and poncho incase of rain... And one of the guys is carrying a GPS locator incase of emergency.  Got a flashlight, camera and my GPS all of which use the same batteries, and I have 6 spares packed. My MP3 player for at night, and a bottle of that biodegradable soap for if i am brave enoug to bathe in the river (and a quickdry towel too) plus a couple of spare bags for trash and whatnot. And a small mesh bag to hang up in the tree with everyone elses stuff for the food.

I think im ready!


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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 10:24:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Ven, I had it in a pill cutter and lost a piece.
His food dish was right under the counter on the floor.
The next day I found a piece of blue coating material that covers the pill in his food dish!
I don't know how much he got but when he came in the next morning he slept for two days!


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So in this gray haze we'll be meating again, and on that
great day, I will tease you all the same."
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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 11:29:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have a wonderful time, and let us know how it goes!!!!

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/28/2007 11:32:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

ROFLMAO...!!!!   


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Ven, I had it in a pill cutter and lost a piece.
His food dish was right under the counter on the floor.
The next day I found a piece of blue coating material that covers the pill in his food dish!
I don't know how much he got but when he came in the next morning he slept for two days!



He tore the shit out of the screen too trying to get out.
I have to get one of those "pet proof ones now.

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RE: A first time for everything - 5/29/2007 12:11:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		it seems to have all been covered, but the most important things to remember are;

1) where possible, hire your gear. A few nights' camping is more than enough to tell anyone not to do anything so foolish again unless as a refugee
2) make sure there will be plenty of hot water for when you get home, cold and filthy
3) a two person tent is large enough for one, a three person tent is for two, a four person tent is for three. A hotel is for many more.
4) If camping is so damned good, then how come we all live in houses?
5) dont camp in a depression in the ground; a bit of rain and you will see how well kit floats. And it always, always rains.
6) pack a little dry tinder of your own if you intend to start a fire. Given that it has rained (and it will), you will need this to start your fire. Dont start fires or cook with a stove, anywhere near your tent.
7) Pack whisky. There is no way of sleeping in a tent without being very drunk.
8) Pack a length of thin rope and a few pegs (unless you can make them); you will need this to dry your clothes after it has rained.
9) Socks. You can never have enough dry socks.
10) A bin bag for your clean stuff (may help it to not get wet in the rain) and a bin bag for your worn stuff
11) Pack a few pencils and crossword/puzzle books. You will need these for when its raining - which will be almost all the time.
12) Do not go anywhere near a camper van dealership after your trip, however tempting this might be.

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