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jemeester -> RE: Rape and training (5/23/2005 3:02:55 AM)

i have thought about it a lot, being a master

If he really wants to rape you on your first meeting, that does not sound ok.

But this is what i think:
a slave (in contrast to a sub) should always be available for her master, in any way he likes to use her (if that was agreed in the first place).
So technically her master cannot rape her. BUT a stranger, however (or your master if he blindfolds you and you have no indication it is him) can rape you.
That is a big difference. You submit to your master, not to a stranger (unless master asks you, and you agree).

a sub is different to a slave in that way that she is willing to be dominated by her dom, but not always. He has to ask her first. So. a sub can be raped, a slave cannot, by their 'owners'.

Is this any help?
Anyway, a 'real' rape is not something to strive for. Full domination by your master is (maybe).
Chris




ggonknees -> RE: Rape and training (5/25/2005 10:36:25 AM)

Thanks everyone for your help and advice, i've really valued it.
I'm working on a few things with him - discussing where it went wrong etc, and then calling it a day.
After that, am going to lay low, learn from it and then re-explore who i am etc when i come back to the forum (if it's any help, it's not put me off...it's made me realise where i want to be at least, how i want to be is quite a different matter!!).
i hope to be back online in the near future.
gg




raised2serve -> RE: Rape and training (5/27/2005 5:09:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jemeester

Anyway, a 'real' rape is not something to strive for.


speak for yourself, Sir. :-)




FelinePersuasion -> RE: Rape and training (5/27/2005 11:49:52 AM)

raised, a real rape is brutall and violent and often damage the victom. It's not something to strive for at all. Unless you want to be brutally violated hurt and maybe even maimed.


You're probably thinking about play rape, which is pretending you're being raped, not it actually happening.




perverseangelic -> RE: Rape and training (5/27/2005 1:23:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

raised, a real rape is brutall and violent and often damage the victom. It's not something to strive for at all. Unless you want to be brutally violated hurt and maybe even maimed.


You're probably thinking about play rape, which is pretending you're being raped, not it actually happening.


I dunno. Some people really want the -actual- illusion of being raped. As I see it, an illusion so convincing you believe it is real is the same as it being real. Not my thing. Some people, however, set out to simulate rape as totally real as possible, and aren't satisfied untill they didn't know the experience was "fake"

To each their own.




raised2serve -> RE: Rape and training (5/28/2005 2:20:25 AM)

and some of us have actually experienced real as well as play.

each to their own, which is why i said "speak for yourself"




perverseangelic -> RE: Rape and training (5/28/2005 9:45:39 AM)

I was actually replying to Feline :) I got what you were saying.




roughleather -> RE: Rape and training (5/30/2005 5:01:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jemeester
If he really wants to rape you on your first meeting, that does not sound ok.


Agreed.

Have vanilla sex with the guy first.You need to know what the guy is like when he's really turned on.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Rape and training (5/30/2005 7:17:45 PM)

Why have vanilla sex first?

Why wouldn't a guy be turned on by a rape scene? Obviously this guy feels its hot.

While sex with the Owner is rarely with bondage and chains and trappings, it's never "vanilla" because there's always the authority dynamic between us.




RiotGirl -> RE: Rape and training (5/31/2005 9:01:10 AM)

What i seriously dont get and call me dumb. Is how he can possibly rape you? Everyone keeps talking about a "brtual" real rape vs rape play. Well i just dont get it. Isnt what makes it brutal, the fight you put up? So lay there on the bed with your legs open? If he slaps, protect yourself. Arms up over the face. Worried about tearing? Worst case scenario, through some spit down there un noticed and really fast? i just dont see the brutatilty in it? Honestly i think the brutality comes from how YOU handle it and react. Ever thought maybe he wants you to be scared so you "do" re act in a way that he can react ? Seriously i just dont get how a limp and un responsive body can turn into a brutal rape. Rapists, they like the fear right?


My disclaimer
<sigh>

No i'm not talking out of inexperience and no i've never been brutually raped. Yes i have been raped and yes i have managed my way out of over a handful of attempts.




av8trman -> RE: Rape and training (5/31/2005 10:50:40 AM)

have you seen the movie "O". there is a line in it that goes something like this. ..."as a slave you have to do what ever the master wants, there is no choice, of course you do have the choice to CHOOSE weather or not you want to be with the person and participate..." Its your relationship but there are "rules" as in all relationships. You must simpley choose if this is who you are and act accordingly.




LASub4Real -> RE: Rape and training (6/3/2005 11:00:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

What i seriously dont get and call me dumb. Is how he can possibly rape you? Everyone keeps talking about a "brtual" real rape vs rape play. Well i just dont get it. Isnt what makes it brutal, the fight you put up? So lay there on the bed with your legs open? If he slaps, protect yourself. Arms up over the face. Worried about tearing? Worst case scenario, through some spit down there un noticed and really fast? i just dont see the brutatilty in it? Honestly i think the brutality comes from how YOU handle it and react. Ever thought maybe he wants you to be scared so you "do" re act in a way that he can react ? Seriously i just dont get how a limp and un responsive body can turn into a brutal rape. Rapists, they like the fear right?



I think perhaps you have miscalculated. There are men who would hurt you (yes, really hurt you) until they get the fear that they want out of you. Rape isn't always just forced sex. A man can cut you, beat you, break your bones, rip muscle, dislocate joints... whatever it takes to bring you to the breaking point.

"You can't rape the willing?"

How about taking you to a place so horrible that you'll no longer be willing?

careful... very careful on this one.

I personally feel it's just best to leave rape alone. Or if you must, only with one you REALLY trust!




MrPDom -> RE: Rape and training (6/8/2005 5:24:12 AM)

...my view, get a new master. Mind games should not be part of the deal.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Rape and training (6/8/2005 5:57:47 AM)

Ummm mind games are a HUGE part of the deal for me, heck it's one of my favorite kinks.

My perspective is different from the newbies, but leaving just because of "mind games" isn't good enough for me.




nakedthinker -> RE: Rape and training (1/30/2008 11:05:24 PM)

On some of the more vanilla web sites, such a Craig's List, I sometimes come across women who claim that they want to do a rape fantasy. Being someone who does not believe in doing things half-way if possible, and being one who is willing to put in the time and effort required to achieve the desired effect, I have suggested the following scenario to several of these women:

She will meet me in a public place so I can confirm what she looks like (would not want to accidentally rape the wrong person!), and that she really want to be raped (and is not just being set up by someone else!).

She will e-mail to me five times and places where she will be out in public along a street. She will be taken at one of these times and places but will not know which until it occurs.

She will be forcibly handcuffed, and carried into my van. There, she will be tied to the ceiling and/or floor of the van, depending on my mood, and what position I want her to be in.

She will wear clothing that she does not wish to keep, because I will shred it off of her body as I roughly undress her, and expose her nakedness.

I will fuck her repeatedly in every way possible, and in every orifice. She will likely be spanked, slapped, or otherwise struck specifically for the purpose of physically forcing her submission, and leaving marks after the fact to remind her of her humiliation in getting raped.

I will want to make sure that when I am done with her, she is dripping with my semen all over her body. Therefore, I will be fucking her completely without protection. Consequently, she will provide me with proof of a recent STD test before the first possible abduction time. I will do the same for her. Just because we are getting her raped, there is no need to be stupid about it.

When I decide that I am done using her (which may be hours or days later), I will dump her naked body within a block of her home, where she will have to endure knowing that her bruised and cum covered body will be completely exposed to anyone in her neighborhood who happens to see her.

She will have her house key with her at the times of her possible abduction, because the key is the only item that she will be given to take with her when her body is dumped out of the van. If she does not want to have to call someone in her building to come and see what a naked, bruised, cum-splattered mess she is just in order to gain access to her home, she better not forget her key.

I will watch from my parked van where I dump her out to make sure that she does successfully reenter her home, and then I will drive away.

In other words, I would simulate as closely as possible every aspect of a real rape, except that she will have agreed to it beforehand, thus not legally making it a rape.

Most women with rape fantasies think that this is a completely hot idea, although to date, no one has had the guts to actually go through with it. My suspicion is that most women can only handle their rape fantasies to remain just fantasies.

The fact that ggonknees does not think that something like this a hot idea is reason enough that she should not agree with her would-be Master's idea to rape her during their first training session.

On the other hand, the fact that raised2serve seems to get off on the thought of such treatment is a good reason why she should probably contract me! :)





porcelain26 -> RE: Rape and training (1/31/2008 12:06:10 AM)

maybe this has already been brought up and i totally missed it....but have you asked your Master to DEFINE what rape means in His world? i mean, He's taking the time to TELL you, he's going to do this. i realize he's said it's not play, and that it will be more extreme then you can imagine....but if he's telling you all that, it sorta tells me he's fucking with your head.

my first Master did the same kinds of things. He told me He would hurt me the first time we were together. He told me He would scare me, abuse me, rape my mouth if not my pussy, and He told me He would leave me alone when He was finished to contemplate exactly what i'd gotten myself into. i was so scared i could have cried. but i trusted Him and i knew that no matter what He did to me, He would never hurt me past what i could bare. He promised He would break me (and break means different things to different Dominants and it's not always the red flag some think it is), and that's exactly what He did. He came over to my place, blindfolded me, and proceeded to torment me, terrify me, make me cry, beg, and plead, beat me and generally humiliate me...then He had me read and sign our contract and finally let me see Him for the first time, at which point He promptly gagged me on His cock til i almost threw up and then left me alone. Just exactly like He told me He would. But He didn't hurt me past baring, and when He left, i was left knowing that i was utterly, totally, and completely His, to use as He saw fit.....and i loved it.

my point is...if your Master is willing to tell you what he's going to do in order to break you down to rebuild you, my guess is that it's more Him getting into your head and playing around with your insides then anything else. if you feel you can trust him (or at least could up until he scared you with this little plan) and you felt like you knew him well enough to know that he wouldn't hurt you in a bad way....then this doesn't mean that all that's gone or was a lie...it just means you have to decide what it is that you're willing to do in order to belong to him.

However, i will agree with whomever said to follow your gut. If your gut tells you that he's going to hurt you in a BAD way and not fix you if he breaks you....run.




Aileen1968 -> RE: Rape and training (1/31/2008 4:09:39 AM)

This thread is almost three years old.  So outside of Emerald who's now Lucky, I doubt anyone will be contacting you to be raped.  If you actually went through with your little Craigslist scenario I'd have to bet that your next post would be from a jail cell.





nakedthinker -> RE: Rape and training (1/31/2008 6:34:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

This thread is almost three years old. So outside of Emerald who's now Lucky, I doubt anyone will be contacting you to be raped. If you actually went through with your little Craigslist scenario I'd have to bet that your next post would be from a jail cell.




Yes... well, we all suffer for our kink somehow, don't we? ;)




Vampyrefledgling -> RE: Rape and training (1/31/2008 12:51:33 PM)

I think this scenario takes a lot of communication. I have discussed this very thing with my Master; I've explained my attraction to and desire for a rape/play scene and he agrees that the potential is there. However, there are definite boundaries that, were he to cross, I think would be to my emotional detriment. I trust him not to do that, not because I'm topping from the bottom or even because he is training me. Some boundaries are meant to be pushed, and some, when crossed, break a person. I have implicit faith that my Master will push me, but not break me. I would not respond well to my Master throwing a pillowcase over my head and taking me without revealing his identity. In a situation like that, the Dom is in danger of being hurt as well as a result of the self-preservation instincts on the part of the sub. Trust is the key. It doesn't come quickly, nor is it easy, but as I said before, open communication is the only way to go.

My instinct in this situation is to suggest that you follow yours. Only you can possibly know what your limits are and these MUST be expressed to anyone trying to train you. It is your body that you willingly give to another. Breaking your spirit, in my humble opinion, is not training. What god wants to force people to worship him? 

~Fledgling




DesFIP -> RE: Rape and training (1/31/2008 1:14:02 PM)

If I'm reading you correctly, you've played in private all of one time. And now he's decided you ought to be abducted and raped, possibly just by him, but possibly by several of his buddies also.

This is very edgy play mentally and emotionally and requires a deep knowledge of the sub and a strong relationship that will last even if the aftereffects and the need for reassurance go on for weeks or months. He doesn't have that. You have no guarantee that he will provide aftercare the next day, let alone for the next month.

I think walking out is the most sensible response you've made. He hasn't earned the trust required for this kind of play. He obviously isn't knowledgable about it or he would know more about the psychological impact. He isn't interested in learning more about it. He just wants to indulge his fetish.

Next time, don't agree to be a limitless slave to someone you have no history with. Really strong control requires a shared history of him proving over and over again that he is competent in all kinds of areas he seeks to control. Otherwise no intelligent woman gives it over, because to do so is to invite a train wreck of your life, with you left alone to pick up the pieces.

Actually one of my axiomatic truisms is that D types who demand things are the types who shouldn't get them. The ones who merit it already know that it has to be freely given, not taken.




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