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shyinini -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 5:06:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

You've contradicted yourself here.   I dont think he did !
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ORIGINAL: WeyrlingMaster
And I would point out that I am ONLY looking for those who say that they are interested in Dom/Dom(me) couples and are bisexual. 


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ORIGINAL: WeyrlingMaster
And any sub/slave would NOT be expected to do anything with My partner UNLESS THEY WANTED AND AGREED to.
According to your profile you do expect them to do things with your partner.

Here's the rub....even if you're saying to the new submissive that she doesn't have to do anything with the Domme, the Domme is still involved in the realtionship and on top of that has her own exclusive relationship.

The fact that you never state what role the submissive would be in your life, other than "serve Me primarily but also my Partner at times." You heartily state that you love your partner and won't leave her for anybody. That's nice, but it leaves the new submissive feeling second class and as something easily thrown away. Would you volunteer to go into a relationship that will be effected by the whims of someone not in it? If you expect someone to invest in a relationship with you, you need to invest something as well. You never once address what you offer and where this person fits in. Personally, I would have passed on you as well, based on your profile.

Just because someone isn't interested in you and deletes or doesn't respond, doesn't make them lairs or fakes. It just makes them someone who is not interested in you.




canupleaseme -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 5:07:25 AM)

Ive found that lots of people on many different sites like to fluff up the truth or have things in their profile that they think will attract more people but then dont actually do it or mean it.  To be honest when I strike up a conversation with someone I will have a quick gander at the profile but untill Ive spoken to them I dont really pay much attention.  I think profiles are sometimes a good indication of wether you like the same things or not but to be honest untill I meet someone real time or have been talking to them at great length I dont take anything as face value.

I have no experience with poly (unless having a maid and a boy makes me poly[&:])  But I imagine it is hard to find a third for that kind of relationship but not impossible.   I must of had over 50 applicants for my sissy maid position and I clearly stated what I wanted from that and I can honestly say out of all 50 only 4 were genuine and looking for the same as me and then only one out of the four was suitable due to distance.  I got very pissed off at the whole thing in January becasue I was sick of fakers etc but tbh I would rather have done it online than actually meet 50 people in real life and found them to be arseholes.  I'm sure who you are looking for will find you eventually.




shyinini -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 5:16:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WeyrlingMaster

LaffayeteLady - Thank you sooooo much for your wonderfully incisive comments about my psychology.  If you can find any evidence to back up your claim that I expect a response simply because I am a Dom, please do.  And a question for you, Faramir and the others claiming that I am simply whining, blubbering or whatever. 

When did it become such a crime to ask a question or state an opinion?

And Faramir - love the ivory tower - and the wonderful use of the english language, takes a real man to swear and where on earth does construction come into it?

It seems that english comprehension is somewhat lacking as well, for reading all of my posts here plainly point out that I AM looking for a specific type of person witin a specific set of search parameters.  Given that I would - as would most people I would imagine - at least expect the message to be read or my FULL profile to be looked at.  If you wish to see that as whining, whinging or being a crybaby, fine, go ahead.  At least that gives me a supurb heads up on who not to contact anyway.

For the record:

I DO NOT EXPECT ANYONE TO FALL AT MY FEET BECAUSE I SAY I AM A DOM NOR EVEN EXPECT A REPLY TO A MESSAGE.  THIS THREAD WAS STARTED SIMPLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION AND GIVE AN OPINION.  AND I SEEM TO HAVE UPSET SOOOOO MANY PEOPLE FOR HAVING THE TEMERITY TO ASK THIS THAT IT MAKES ME WONDER WHY I BOTHERED.

For those who have decided to launch a personal attack on me via messages - and I wont name them - how sad and pathetic you are.

I have met many people through the chat rooms on here and made many friends here and in person throughout the years.  All of them know that I call a spade a spade.

To those of you (2 people specifically guess who they are) who want to call me names without responding to my original question, I simply say this.  GET STUFFED.  I have always and will continue to voice My opinion about whatever I want to.  If you don't like it, tough.  I really couldn't care less about what you say, it has been tried by better people than you and they failed too.

If you don't like what I write, toddle off and find someone who will only write what you find acceptable to you.  But as this is a place where opinions are allowed, I will continue to voice mine.

And thanks to those who have messaged Me with nice things to say.

Damn typo's!


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Apparently it is OK for YOU to ask a question or state and opinion, but when others respond in a way that you don't like, it would certainly appear that in YOUR opinion, we are not entitled to our opinion.


It is the rude crude mean sarcastic and hateful way people state their opinion that denegrades other people.Yes I have been at fault, but there are some who do it consistently.  

Sir's fried red tomatoe




MellowSir -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 5:30:57 AM)

I agree for the most part. There sure are a lot of people here that say they're looking yet fail to respond and put their money where their mouth is. Just do what you can to hang in there and eventually one will come along who is what they say they are.....the rest can just be here taking up space like they have been for months or years, they talk the talk but sure don't have the nerve to walk the walk lol




WeyrlingMaster -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 5:32:00 AM)

irishmist - in a word, no. and I grew up and got a life long ago.  Funny how free speech doesn't seem to apply in some cases though, isn't it?

And yes, I do have My own set of standards which I will keep to.  If you have no standards then how can you expect to be who you say you are?




dawntreader -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 5:56:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: shyinini


Dawn, I was reading your posts over on the Gor site, trying to explain YOUR truth about your "identity".......might I say MHO?
why is it so hard for people to just accept we are multi~faceted people~ not liars and dishonesty and fakes?
Loki and the Mistress have plans for you ... you accept them.  I respect that.
But why the hell do others need to antagonize like you are not who you say you are...... I dont get it. 
 
You go girl...you just be who you are and let the others drool with W/E that they aint you !  [:)] 

Sirs adored pet


Thankyou shyinini~




stef -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 6:00:37 AM)

"Free speech" doesn't mean you can say whatever you like without others sharing their opinions on what you said.  Take a deep breath and think about the disservice you're doing yourself here.

~stef




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 6:30:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WeyrlingMaster
Perhaps I am being too sensitive or critical.  I don't know.
Well, since you don't know, I'll tell you. Your mangina is showing, you need to put it back under your slip, cowboy up and quit sniffling already.




CDOM3 -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 6:30:33 AM)

First, in no way, shape or form do I discount your conclusion that there are (and always will be) some who are simply playing games. Fake profiles, lying is sadly a part of human nature.
Patience is the only offence or defence against it.

Having said that, a profile is but a very, very limited snapshot of a person. It is impossible to even attempt to describe who I am or Me with any detail. A profile is by it's very nature, general.
Not to be too blunt but what you read from a profile does not mean that is what or who the person is looking for.
Yes it would be nice to recieve a simple, shot note but that does not always happen.




IrishMist -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 7:43:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MellowSir

I agree for the most part. There sure are a lot of people here that say they're looking yet fail to respond and put their money where their mouth is. Just do what you can to hang in there and eventually one will come along who is what they say they are.....the rest can just be here taking up space like they have been for months or years, they talk the talk but sure don't have the nerve to walk the walk lol

and perhaps, those of us who have been here for years are tired of walking the walk that the whiners seem to think everyone should walk.





KatyLied -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 7:46:48 AM)

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Just do what you can to hang in there and eventually one will come along who is what they say they are.....the rest can just be here taking up space like they have been for months or years, they talk the talk but sure don't have the nerve to walk the walk lol


He's all over the place today with this theme.





meticulousgirl -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 8:16:51 AM)

Weyrling,

I dont think it's honesty that is the problem, what I believe to be the problem is you are seeking a situation that is somewhat poly.  It isn't monogomous and many subs and slaves seek a relationship.  Not only is it easier in my opinion to serve someone who will stay "trustworthy" to you but it is easier to serve someone who isn't "sleeping around" on you as well.

You might as well say that my Owner is poly, and the problem that typically comes up in poly situations is jelousy, someone feeling left out, someone feeling ignored and neglected, and someone not understanding where they fit in to Your life because they really want a relationship, deep inside whether the female in question admits it or not, they want to be loved, and cherrished, they want to walk in public holding their S.O's hand, kiss, hug, whatever even slaves need to be loved and be shown that they are loved.  I know because even though I fight it daily, those are things that I just truely want, and things that use to happen but dont anymore. 

I'm not saying what you are doing is wrong as I accept poly but choose not to indulge in the practice unless of course I have been told to perform with another female which isn't often but it does and has happened. 

I'm not replying to this asking for remarks on what I said, I am completely capable of handling my own "relationship" so to speak but I just want Weyrling to understand a submissive or slave that isn't replying and why.   Poly isn't for everyone, I know it's not for me, just like bi-sexuality or the sexual portion is not for me.  Others may just not find you attractive, everyone has different tastes, if your sending messages to girls out of state maybe ldr's are not an interest.  I played the LDR game for 3 years and couldn't take it anymore.  I bought my first house 1800 miles away from what is still "home" to me and every aspect of my life is miserable except for the fact that I am 20 min. from the person I moved here to be closer to.  The hurt, and the tears were to much everytime I had to get back on a plane to go home, watching him drive away, being hugged again wondering if this would be the last time was to much, even though where i grew up is home, unless He ended it with me i honestly couldn't think of going back and having to re-live all of that hurt again. 

I want you to see every possible side, we serve in many cases and fall in love, in both cases of LDR and Poly knowing that your Dominant is going home to someone else, when you are alone hurts more than you can imagine and brings a sense of am I good enough for Him, why cant I be her, the one that He is in love with, and many many other thoughts not because we are negative thinkers but because it hurts us to know that we cant be with you, and we cant serve you the way you need us to.

I have studied poly since I got into this, both "relationships" that I have been in involving our lifestyle have been somewhat poly, the first was much easier than this as I never fell in love with my Owners who were a Dom / Domme couple.  This time, I did before I ever met Him in person infact and will tell you that it's just not an easy road for a sub. 

Even if the sub or slave doesn't have the intent of a relationship somewhere inside she still wants the closeness and the one on one basis with her Owner.  

This is not to sound disrespectful but honestly put Yourself in as sub or slaves emotions for one day and maybe you will fully understand what it is that i am trying to get through to you and many other Dom's out there.

I wish you the best.

Meticulous 





puella -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 8:21:06 AM)

Jeeeeez!

Here is an idea...

Dear Mods,

Can we please, for the love of all that is holy, have a special section of the forum tilted  'Crybaby Doms' or "I Did Not Get My Way" or "Please Validate My Domness"? 

The number of whinging men is becoming alarming lately. 




OsideGirl -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 8:29:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MellowSir

There sure are a lot of people here that say they're looking yet fail to respond and put their money where their mouth is.


Yes, but they may not be looking for you. I know that sounds harsh, but we're all looking for a certain situation and a certain person. So, by looking at your profile,  deciding that the situation isn't for me, and moving past that email.....I am putting my money where my mouth is....I'm saying "No".



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ORIGINAL: shyinini

quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

You've contradicted yourself here.   I dont think he did !
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ORIGINAL: WeyrlingMaster
And I would point out that I am ONLY looking for those who say that they are interested in Dom/Dom(me) couples and are bisexual. 
Well, here he is looking for someone to serve a Dom/Domme couple, which means serving both Dominants, hence serving her.

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ORIGINAL: WeyrlingMaster
And any sub/slave would NOT be expected to do anything with My partner UNLESS THEY WANTED AND AGREED to.
Here he is saying, serve her only if you want to.

And then his profile says:
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serve Me primarily but also my Partner at times
So, now we're back to "serve both people".

So, yes, that would be a contradiction.




Faramir -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 8:39:46 AM)

Hollllllly crap this is a great thread--I'm dying laughing over here.  I'm actually crying.  "Your mangina is showing, you need to put it back under your slip, cowboy up and quit sniffling" is priceless, and a crybaby doms section would RAWK.

Dude, you gotta chill.  You asked a really, really stupid question that reflected petulance on your part.  You asked your "question" with a rhetorical purpose in mind: you hoped to persuade people that you were noble and being victimized, and you hoped for validation.  You didn't get that--you are apparently lower and less mature in your social skills than the forum members here, and your intent was nakedly obvious.  A bunch of us who undestood your rhetoric, and had contempt for it, told you so in very direct terms.

Now, that's all water under the bridge.  By continuing to defend a completely untenable position, by repeating what you know to be false over and over again, you are exposing yourself to greater and greater ridicule--the exact opposite of your intent here.  If you had, or if you will, stop stonewalling and just admit the truth, you would immediately be perceived in a better light, because the ability to admit a mistake, to recognize a self-failing, is a hallmark of maturity.

If your next post was something like, "You know, I was really steamed last nigth, and I decided just to step back for a day and come back, and I do see how my post looked now.  I guess I was just disspointed in all these people not giving me a chance to talk, but then again, I do see that it isn't dishonest on their part.  I guess just dissapointing," you would win some friends here, cast yourself in a positive light.  Before you post again, just think about it.

I'm sorry I was confusing with my "construction" comment--I used the word in a particular sense that not everyone is or should be familiar with.  In the humanities, we use 'construction" to mean beliefs or cognitive modes that we create, as opposed to being organix or "natural."  An example would be in Victorian England, the idea that women were "naturally" weak, irrational, morally superior to men.  What the Victorians saw as a natural turth, we would generally see now as a social construction, and a false one at that.  It can also be used in a personal sense, in Personal Construction Theory.




IrishMist -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 8:47:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

Hollllllly crap this is a great thread--I'm dying laughing over here.  I'm actually crying.  "Your mangina is showing, you need to put it back under your slip, cowboy up and quit sniffling" is priceless, and a crybaby doms section would RAWK.

Dude, you gotta chill.  You asked a really, really stupid question that reflected petulance on your part.  You asked your "question" with a rhetorical purpose in mind: you hoped to persuade people that you were noble and being victimized, and you hoped for validation.  You didn't get that--you are apparently lower and less mature in your social skills than the forum members here, and your intent was nakedly obvious.  A bunch of us who undestood your rhetoric, and had contempt for it, told you so in very direct terms.

Now, that's all water under the bridge.  By continuing to defend a completely untenable position, by repeating what you know to be false over and over again, you are exposing yourself to greater and greater ridicule--the exact opposite of your intent here.  If you had, or if you will, stop stonewalling and just admit the truth, you would immediately be perceived in a better light, because the ability to admit a mistake, to recognize a self-failing, is a hallmark of maturity.

If your next post was something like, "You know, I was really steamed last nigth, and I decided just to step back for a day and come back, and I do see how my post looked now.  I guess I was just disspointed in all these people not giving me a chance to talk, but then again, I do see that it isn't dishonest on their part.  I guess just dissapointing," you would win some friends here, cast yourself in a positive light.  Before you post again, just think about it.

I'm sorry I was confusing with my "construction" comment--I used the word in a particular sense that not everyone is or should be familiar with.  In the humanities, we use 'construction" to mean beliefs or cognitive modes that we create, as opposed to being organix or "natural."  An example would be in Victorian England, the idea that women were "naturally" weak, irrational, morally superior to men.  What the Victorians saw as a natural turth, we would generally see now as a social construction, and a false one at that.  It can also be used in a personal sense, in Personal Construction Theory.

Dayumit

not only did I spew coffee everywhere, I dropped the flipping cup also.

Next time a little warning please [8D]

[:D]




MistressSassy66 -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 1:24:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WeyrlingMaster

I do 'go out into the local community' and meet people.  And as I say in My profile, My partner has Her own slave who I don't play with.  And any sub/slave would NOT be expected to do anything with My partner unless they wanted and agreed to.

On further reflection, I would have thought that this site is here to facilitate meeting people from a wider area rather than the 'local' area.  Or am I being thick?



I dont go out to the community when I can find
what I what right here on CollarMe.Some of
submissives I have met worked out and its still great and some
well they didnt work out so well...No big deal...just keep looking til I find
what I want. 

I dont think Your being thick.This is a website meant to draw people together.
I have met plenty of people from here so dont give up yet.




fetishnoob -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 2:17:18 PM)

i'd just like to add that while being honest often gets us nowhere, it is the only hope we have of getting anywhere meaningfull




whisperedsighs -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 4:00:24 PM)

All I can say is that the internet is a much broader reach, if it seems you are meeting more fakes here it may be simply because you have access to a lot more people then you would in a smaller realm, like your local community.  You are also dealing with a medium where people can be anything they want to be and not have the pressure of face to face to pull it off.  You will run into those who live on the internet, because they can't live in the real world.  You will run into those who use the internet simply as a forum for information, or entertainment.  There is a whole gamut of people on the internet, and on sites such as this that are for "hooking up".  I understand the frustration, believe me!

All I can say is that those who delete without reading your whole profile are more then likely not the one you would want to be with anyway.  Good luck in your quest.




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: lies, falsehoods and honesty (5/29/2007 5:16:59 PM)

does all this mean that i can get pissy about the men who havent answered my "if you dig fat chicks id love to talk to you a bit" messages?
 
i thought no answer was an answer, but if this is a chance to be a lil bit bitchy i do not want to let it get by unused.[sm=boohoo.gif]
 
;o)
 
and i have laughed so hard i have tears.....thanks




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