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RE: collar of protection - 5/28/2007 9:09:10 PM   
slaverosebeauty


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Last time I checked it meant just as you described, it meant that someone had decided to be a 'protector' or sorts, it CAN go with a relationship, not always. I have 'protectors' aka 'Big Brothers' who watch out for me. I am not 'collared' but, I am protected by them. I don't believe in ANY collar but 'the collar;' yet, I do understand what you are talking about.

I think you should have asked more questions regarding what this 'collar' meant in the beginning; I question EVERYTHING. I rarely take things or people at face value; now it looks like you need to go to this 'person' and talk thigns over.


I strongly suggest you find a mentor you trust, that's the BEST thing for a newcommer, I did it, and it has been a blessing. I am NOT collared to my mentor or to her Husbnad/Master, they are both friends who I can go to for guidance and to talk, we are friends ine very sence of the word, her Master has even volunteered to help me get my skills up to par if I so desired. We are bound by friendship and by trust.

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RE: collar of protection - 5/28/2007 11:11:02 PM   
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They also serve for drama queens who love to have a half dozen suckers "protecting" "mentoring" guiding, training, everything but committing to an adult relationship and acccepting adult responsibility.

Like many things in the scene, it seems to work for some but makes my stomach turn.

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RE: collar of protection - 5/28/2007 11:27:49 PM   
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I wear an axmar locked on collar, it certainly makes me feel protected and loved...

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RE: collar of protection - 5/28/2007 11:50:15 PM   
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Exactly how is willingly taking a protection collar predatory behavior?  Plenty of slaves who accept protection collars happily become owned by their protector in the future.

This particular one doesn't want it- she should end it.

Are we to eliminate everyone in the scene who has bad communication skills and makes undue assumptions?


She didn't "later become owned". 

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 12:03:38 AM   
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I agree with his being a predator.  Why call it a collar of protection if he owned you?  You'd simply be collared.  I've known several subs who wore collars of protection.  A couple of them really needed it.  Not all submissives are assertive enough to stand up for themselves, or feel they are wrong to judge someone on short aquaintence, or just have a hard time saying "NO" to agressive Doms.  Some need someone to be there and guide negotiations because a new submissive may not know to tell the Dom/Top that she's alergic to latex.  Those couple who really needed it had the right to say "No" (usually signaled so they wouldn't have to actually say it), but they didn't have the right to say "Yes" without the consent of their protector.  Others simply had their protectors present so they could have their advice.  Wearing a collar of protection let others know that the new sub wasn't fresh meat to be taken advntage of, and gave them the security of knowing they wouldn't have to deal with agressive Doms alone.

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 4:22:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

They also serve for drama queens who love to have a half dozen suckers "protecting" "mentoring" guiding, training, everything but committing to an adult relationship and acccepting adult responsibility.

Like many things in the scene, it seems to work for some but makes my stomach turn.


NNNOOOOO!!!

Women are sweet, kind, gentle, helpless little lambs that need protection and saving from all the bad evil men in the world!

They would certainly never find a way to date and string along multiple men out of a desire to be the center of attention without having to make any kind of real commitment or effort outside of having shoulders to cry on, accepting free dinners and drinks, and free exploration of their own sexual fantasies from multiple options under the guise that "They are just learning and scared and helpless and dont want to be harmed by all the big bad predators in the world!

A women would never certainly do that to me when I was completely novice and appeal to my White Knight nature with subtle acts of innocents and naivity, all the while keeping the fact that she was dating and having sex with other men completely hidden!

How foolish would I be to beleive such an impossibility existed and would dare to stop parading around like the big bad dominant, quickly offering my asssitance to any damsel in distress that bats an eyelash at me!

What a predator and evil man I would be to treat women with a level headed equality and temper my devotion to their helpless and poor conditions as new "subbies"!

You are a heathen, Michael!

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 4:49:29 AM   
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Well i would think and maybe im still too new to this but I would think that ultimately like everything in life it is up to you.If you are unhappy with his choices then move on.I dont think like some of the others he was trying to trick you though I dont know either of you personally so not 100% sure.I think in all choices in life sub or not the final say is yours if you want to give up those choices then that was your choice if you dont want things the way they are then move on or work it out.I have always believed that being a sub is a decision one made of free will unless they are kidnapping you.Anyway im probably just niave but thats my 2 cents.

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 5:18:16 AM   
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My dear lovely one, it seems you've been duped by one of the oldest tricks in the book. The ole bait and switch. Question is, are you going to go along with it?

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 6:02:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Evanesce

To me, a collar of protection is a big load of crap. 


Wow....What a closed minded thing to say!!!!

I have offered The "Domiguy Collar of Protection" since 1987....And now the New and Improved 20th Year Anniversary Domiguy Collar of Protection can be yours for just three easy payments of $19.99!!!!

The Domiguy 20th Anniversary Collar of Protection will effectively shield all subs from....Any and all illnesses...From  AIDS to Zollinger-Ellison Syndrome...100% protection from all computer viruses....Creepy guys just dissapear. The Domiguy Collar of Protection kills sperm immediately...No more birth control!!! ...The Domiguy Collar of Protection allows the sub to consume what she wants without counting calories and without any fear of weight gain!!!!  Carrying around a few extra pounds or are just really gross and fat? The Protection Collar stimulates the body to naturally dispose of fat..and just watch the weight fall off!!...You will be amazed!!!  Worried about the damaging effect of the sun?The Domiguy 20th Anniversary Collar of protection gives it's wearer a natural SPF 30 protection, while allowing the sub to acquire the perfect bronze tan!!!   *Side effects were minimal.

Women why wait? For just three easy payments $19.99, The Domiguy 20th Anniversary Collar of Protection can be yours!!!!  When you see the name "Domiguy" you know it's got to be good!!!  Damn good!

*Do not wear collar in direct sunlight, do not swallow while wearing collar, collar must be kept at 82 degrees farenheit at all times, do not look directly at collar, Do not wear collar for more than five minutes, Never get collar wet, Do not wear collar if you have acne, never wear collar around children or expecting mothers, collar might inexplicably tighten causing death.




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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 6:09:31 AM   
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You just outted yourself....now everyone knows your real name is Ron Popeil.

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 6:11:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

To me, a collar of protection is a big load of crap. 


Wow....What a closed minded thing to say!!!!

I have offered The "Domiguy Collar of Protection" since 1987....And now the New and Improved 20th Year Anniversary Domiguy Collar of Protection can be yours for just three easy payments of $19.99!!!!

The Domiguy 20th Anniversary Collar of Protection will effectively shield all subs from....Any and all illnesses...From  AIDS to Zollinger-Ellison Syndrome...100% protection from all computer viruses....Creepy guys just dissapear. The Domiguy Collar of Protection kills sperm immediately...No more birth control!!! ...The Domiguy Collar of Protection allows the sub to consume what she wants without counting calories and without any fear of weight gain!!!!  Carrying around a few extra pounds or are just really gross and fat? The Protection Collar stimulates the body to naturally dispose of fat..and just watch the weight fall off!!...You will be amazed!!!  Worried about the damaging effect of the sun?The Domiguy 20th Anniversary Collar of protection gives it's wearer a natural SPF 30 protection, while allowing the sub to acquire the perfect bronze tan!!!   *Side effects were minimal.

Women why wait? For just three easy payments $19.99, The Domiguy 20th Anniversary Collar of Protection can be yours!!!!  When you see the name "Domiguy" you know it's got to be good!!!  Damn good!

*Do not wear collar in direct sunlight, do not swallow while wearing collar, collar must be kept at 82 degrees farenheit at all times, do not look directly at collar, Do not wear collar for more than five minutes, Never get collar wet, Do not wear collar if you have acne, never wear collar around children or expecting mothers, collar might inexplicably tighten causing death.





I found my Domiguy Collar of Protection on ebay.  Only had to pay $4.95 plus shipping.  100% guaranteed satisfaction my ass.

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 6:15:04 AM   
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quote:

100% guaranteed satisfaction my ass.

Wow...i have a great ass and even i can't make that kind of promise...LMAO


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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 6:33:30 AM   
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Regarding the 'Collar of Protection':

In Dracula, van Helsing uses garlic to protect Lucy by placing it in her room and around her neck:

So, there is a long standing tradition, particularly in the Slavic (get it?) countries of doing this sort of thing, and I am unaware of any of you having researched this and thereby have the werewithal to phoo-phoo this.

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 6:38:08 AM   
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Hey Bram...True story.  When I was little, about four, I use to sleep with a beanbag animal on my neck.  My theory was that if dracula came and tried to bite me his fangs would get clogged with the beans and he wouldn't be able to suck my blood.  So I guess I do believe in collars of protection after all.

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 6:41:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

Hey Bram...True story.  When I was little, about four, I use to sleep with a beanbag animal on my neck.  My theory was that if dracula came and tried to bite me his fangs would get clogged with the beans and he wouldn't be able to suck my blood.  So I guess I do believe in collars of protection after all.


LMAO....not to mention it might give him really bad gas!!!

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 6:44:56 AM   
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Are there plans underway to draw suit against the manufacturers of 'Beanie Babies'? Seems to be a clear violation and misuse of your original idea. 



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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 6:53:53 AM   
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I think it's nice that people can feel protected by a collar around their neck.  I like the special protocols that the lifestyle affords us.  At night when I have a bad dream and scary bad doms are after me, all I need to do it touch my collar of protection, and it takes me to my happy place.




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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 7:53:36 AM   
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Dear alovelyone, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my mind's eyes I see, from years past and years more recent; the "Collar of Consideration" was much like the "Promise Ring" in the days when that had a meaning, which was prior to an official engaugement.  A Collar of Consideration was for the purpose of exploring an relationship with that person (Master or slave) the next step was to become a training collar and then strive to earn the slave collar.
 
With the introduction of the Internet, what was the Collar of Consideration was often confused and skewed intentions to where it became a "Collar of Protection."
 
That said, I can understand why submissive types and slaves wish to have protection from others.  Some people are wolves in sheep's clothing in the lifestyle and prey on those who know no better.  However, iscolation is the biggest enemy and or threat to enlightenment, knowledge, independence, skills and choice.
 
One needs no "collar of protection" to gain protection from and or by the community at large.  I have rarely found any Dominant regardless, to stand silent and do nothing when a slave was in need of help, need of an advocate and or in need of advice.
 
Consider all collars as a binding agreement and or contract.  Much like a business contract, a collar represents or acts as a symbol to which acts as a 'hands off' approach. 
 
As for those offering "Collar of Protections" -- I be very cautious as to their intentions.  Even those promising a collar; I would be cautious.  It is really not my intention to frighten you from ever gaining one in the future however, from what your post implies--this particular double speak on what the collar implies, as to protect you and then requires slavery is raising my yellow onto red flags, as well as having no say when it comes to your happiness--while free, choose freedom and empower yourself first, with knowledge, skills and experience that is first hand and not just all talk or promises.  Act as your own representative and be an advocate for your own business--personal and or in service.
 
In my experiences years past--slaves choose the Master.  The Master can only accept or decline.  Masters who pounce on slave or submissive canidates do not give patience and freedom of choice a chance.  Instead, its false obligation, assumptions and wishful thinking.
 
I would use the same caution as it applies to mentoring.  It is the spirit of intent of the other that sways me to agree or disagree to the behavior and attitude towards protection, consideration or mentoring.
 
Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

 
 

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 8:01:18 AM   
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In my experience in both the BDSM and spanking worlds, a great deal of protection goes on without benefit of title.  Making friends of those whose behavior you witness and admire can go a long way toward learning and to ensuring safety.  Although I have been active in both worlds for many years, to this day I always identify some trusted friend and exchange words with them on attending an activity.  Simply knowing that someone has my back can relieve anxiety and allow me to enjoy an activity without fear of harm.

I've always seen collars of protection as a more online thing, and have a rather dubious view of them, but that is simply my opinion and YMMV.

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RE: collar of protection - 5/29/2007 8:36:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
They also serve for drama queens who love to have a half dozen suckers "protecting" "mentoring" guiding, training, everything but committing to an adult relationship and acccepting adult responsibility.
Like many things in the scene, it seems to work for some but makes my stomach turn.


The next time you have stalkers show up in REAL LIFE and you wonder how in the hell they found you, or when you have to do other things to alter your life to be safer, you would want 'protectors' around as well.

As for mentors, they help to answer questions, indroduce your around, are good friends, etc. Just because you are 'all knowing' and don't have room for imporvement, doesn't mean others are stuck in the same rut.

I happen to ADORE my mentor and her hubby {they are on my Christmas Card List}, they were/are very supportive; and my 'protectors' they keep an eye on trolls who personally atack me and the like when I am not around. Until I have a Master/Husband to do the protecting, I appreicate the help from friends. I have my OWN training, tyvm, my mentor did NOT assist with that, she just helped me to see bs from reality {bites tongue and does not point out bs}.

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