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LightHeartedMaam -> Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 8:47:10 AM)
~Now we have death by Bush? A young bride of one year lost her husband, who she met in 2nd grade, in Iraq a few months ago. She is joining the Army because she feels she wants to help by being a medic. She feels if she can save one person from the emotional pain she is going through it will be worth it. She says she had cried all she could. She has until June 11th to reconsider her enlistment. We are now enlisting severely depressed to fight in this war. Talk about opportunists (meaning recruiters). I wonder whats next?

slaverosebeauty -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 9:00:25 AM)
You HAVE to be depressed to join this 'war' {said tongue in cheek}. What next is they will start the draft; we will have 16yr olds fighting in no time' our troops keep getting killed, we send more over, those get killed, we bring them back to their families in body bags, send more over. Vicious cycle. How much longer til the election??

jauntyone -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 9:05:59 AM)
Greetings Both Master and I are in the Marines. I voluntarily signed up for a second tour. I may not always agree with what our CiC does or says; but I don't regret one moment spent in service. The young lady you speak of in your post. How do you know it is out of depression that she enlisted? Perhaps she feels that this is the way to honor her husbands memory; by contributing to something that he believed in. Many join the military for different reasons; why should the fact that she lost her husband make her reason any less noble? I wish you well melissa

philosophy -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 9:11:02 AM)
"Many join the military for different reasons; why should the fact that she lost her husband make her reason any less noble?" i don't think it's an issue about nobility......more about a situation where recruitment is so low for an unpopular war that it seems the bar is being lowered. If a government is supposed to reflect the will of the people shouldn't the said government take a hint now and then?

jauntyone -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 9:14:08 AM)
quote: i don't think it's an issue about nobility......more about a situation where recruitment is so low for an unpopular war that it seems the bar is being lowered. If a government is supposed to reflect the will of the people shouldn't the said government take a hint now and then? Greetings philosophy Who is to say that the young lady was not in the process of enlisting anyway? How do we know the bar was lowered? The OP provided no link for the statement that the young lady was depressed, or that the recruiters took advantage of a situation. I wish you well melissa

philosophy -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 9:18:55 AM)
Everything you say is true jauntyone.......but it holds true for the opposites also......we have no evidence that she wasn't depressed either. It is a matter of record though that recruitment targets were lowered in order to make the percentages look better though. It is also a matter of record that it is an unpopular war. Should the current regime in the US recognise these things as warning signs or signals to carry on as they've been doing?

jauntyone -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 9:28:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy Everything you say is true jauntyone.......but it holds true for the opposites also......we have no evidence that she wasn't depressed either. It is a matter of record though that recruitment targets were lowered in order to make the percentages look better though. It is also a matter of record that it is an unpopular war. Should the current regime in the US recognise these things as warning signs or signals to carry on as they've been doing? Greetings philosophy you are correct that the opposite holds true also. I will also not argue that the requirements for enlistment in the past years has dropped considerably. And, I will add that I do agree that the military SHOULD uphold certain standards of enlistment. I can not agree with the popular opinion that this is an unpopular war though. Unpopular for whom? Those not enlisted? Those enlisted? Both? Perhaps because I feel the need to defend those in service; but, I have yet to hear a soldier say that what we are doing is wrong. I have however, heard many on the civilian side state that the war is a waste of time. I do not want to get into another 'who is right and who is wrong' debate and scenario [:)] I just felt that the OP was wrong to state what she did, how she did, with no supporting evidence to back it up. I wish you well melissa

philosophy -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 9:35:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jauntyone I can not agree with the popular opinion that this is an unpopular war though. Unpopular for whom? Those not enlisted? Those enlisted? Both? Perhaps because I feel the need to defend those in service; but, I have yet to hear a soldier say that what we are doing is wrong. I have however, heard many on the civilian side state that the war is a waste of time. just two quick points.......i don't believe that there is any need to see if it is the general public or the military who find the current war doesn' gel with their idea of what the US ought to be about. If it is a popular opinion it is just that...popular opinion. Secondly, it is awkward for serving military personnel to openly criticise the war without crossing legal lines. So i wouldn't expect any military types to come right out and say if they disagree. However, there are enough ex-military types who have, to suggest that even inside the forces opinion is split.

slaverosebeauty -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 9:39:19 AM)
Fact - this is NOT a war, congress has NOT declaired a war since WWII {i went back and did research}; this 'thing' is what it is, my generations Vietnam. Considering that the recruiters in my area KEEP trying to get me to join {hell has not frozen over yet}, they must be in some pain; thank goodness for caller ID. In my are we have lot MORE troops than anyone else, CUSD {Clovis Unified School District} has lost 6 at last count, and about 24 in the valley. I did get wind of the same article as the OP, when I find it, I will repost the article or link. I do not think its as uncommon though.

LightHeartedMaam -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 9:50:46 AM)
jauntyone, Have ever lost ANYTHING you cherished deeply to a tragedy? How long did it take you to think clearly?

farglebargle -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:06:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jauntyone Greetings Both Master and I are in the Marines. I voluntarily signed up for a second tour. I may not always agree with what our CiC does or says; but I don't regret one moment spent in service. The young lady you speak of in your post. How do you know it is out of depression that she enlisted? Perhaps she feels that this is the way to honor her husbands memory; by contributing to something that he believed in. Many join the military for different reasons; why should the fact that she lost her husband make her reason any less noble? I wish you well melissa How do you handle it when the Commander in Chief lies? Nothing in the Constitution grants ANYONE in the government of the United States the authority to lie. If someone in the service LIES, how are they punished? Beyond that, when the Commander in Chief lies are FELONIES, how is that handled? Is he worthy of any honor or respect?

philosophy -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:16:36 AM)
...thing is FB, if someone lies to you then it doesn't necessarily negate all other obligations to them. Serving military, i believe, do not have the same right to criticise government as civilians. You or i have the luxury of totally free speech........ for the military to speak out, it could be considered a mild form of mutiny.

farglebargle -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:27:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ...thing is FB, if someone lies to you then it doesn't necessarily negate all other obligations to them. Serving military, i believe, do not have the same right to criticise government as civilians. You or i have the luxury of totally free speech........ for the military to speak out, it could be considered a mild form of mutiny. This isn't about Free Speech, It's about alleged felons holding high office.

philosophy -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:30:55 AM)
It may well be about the conduct of felons in high office for you FB...and all power to your elbow, i say......however, for a serving military type there are other considerations when it comes to challenging the authority of the CIC. As i said before, it could be seen as mutiny for them to do what is a basic right for you or i.

DementedGirl -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:37:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty You HAVE to be depressed to join this 'war' {said tongue in cheek}. What next is they will start the draft; we will have 16yr olds fighting in no time' our troops keep getting killed, we send more over, those get killed, we bring them back to their families in body bags, send more over. Vicious cycle. How much longer til the election?? That will never happen.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:40:38 AM)
There will never be a draft for this war, Republicans only support other people dying, the second their is any threat to their yellow asses, they will end this war.

farglebargle -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:44:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy It may well be about the conduct of felons in high office for you FB...and all power to your elbow, i say......however, for a serving military type there are other considerations when it comes to challenging the authority of the CIC. As i said before, it could be seen as mutiny for them to do what is a basic right for you or i. So HONOR and INTEGRITY don't matter to the armed forces then? I mean, if it's perfectly ok for alleged felons to NOT be held accountable, how can the armed forces EXPECT anyone to respect them?

Wildfleurs -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:45:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jauntyone Perhaps because I feel the need to defend those in service; but, I have yet to hear a soldier say that what we are doing is wrong. I have however, heard many on the civilian side state that the war is a waste of time. I just wanted to address this one point. I watched Sixty Minutes this week where they have been following the same infantry out of Iowa since the war began, and it was absolutely fascinating. It wasn't about whether the war was wrong or right but really just showed how it was for both the people enlisted as well as for their families. However there were in fact soldiers (a few of them) who felt that they were not going to re-enlist because they felt the war was really the wrong decision. There are also associations forming for current and former soldiers against the war such as: Iraq Veterans against the War: http://www.ivaw.org/ Veterans against the Iraq War: http://www.vaiw.org/ C~

philosophy -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:49:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy It may well be about the conduct of felons in high office for you FB...and all power to your elbow, i say......however, for a serving military type there are other considerations when it comes to challenging the authority of the CIC. As i said before, it could be seen as mutiny for them to do what is a basic right for you or i. So HONOR and INTEGRITY don't matter to the armed forces then? I mean, if it's perfectly ok for alleged felons to NOT be held accountable, how can the armed forces EXPECT anyone to respect them? Yup, it's a moral dilemma alright. No-one ever said that all ethical problems are easily worked out. This is one of the tricky ones.

farglebargle -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 10:51:49 AM)
Well, the Armed Forces shouldn't bitch about not getting support, if they're UNWORTHY of any respect. Every day Steven Dale Green and his co-child-rapists, breathe the same air good, honest folks breath, is an insult to the word "Justice". Bush is just another example of the Militaries UNWILLINGNESS to enforce discipline. And their subsequent UNWORTHINESS of our respect.

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