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Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 5:51:22 AM

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Cindy Sheehan recently quit the anti-war movement. citing a lack of money, and support. in her exact words:
"I was the darling of the so-called left as long as I limited my protests to George Bush and the Republican Party. Of course, I was slandered and libeled by the right as a 'tool' of the Democratic Party." Sheehan wrote. "However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the 'left' started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used."

What she found, she wrote, was a movement "that often puts personal egos above peace and human life.

tells you all you need to know about the DNC and how well they take care of their friends. Once she used up all her money(including the life insurance money from her son) and had no further use for the left, they abandoned her.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 6:24:15 AM

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I read an extensive interview with her months ago. The author, Matt Taibbi, made the point that this lonely woman who lost her son in a stupid war, and her message, had been co-opted and used by the anti-war movement to pass it's strident message.

Regarding your comment that this has something to do with the Democrats, I suppose I could make a similarly idiotic statement that the Republican's are too busy serving prison terms to throw people (like US attorneys) under a bus.

This would be idiotic because (I think, I have no proof of tihs) there are some Republicans who are not in prison, and Shotgun has yet to be thrown under a bus.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 6:28:22 AM

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"I have tried ever since he died to make his sacrifice meaningful," she wrote. "Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months."

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 6:33:39 AM

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"I have tried ever since he died to make his sacrifice meaningful," she wrote. "Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months."

Indeed... Sheehan is an unusually perceptive woman.

I don't blame her one bit for pulling the plug.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 6:34:42 AM

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Well, it take a while to realize that the problem isn't the Dems or Republicans but rather the Federal Government itself.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 6:40:14 AM

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Well, it take a while to realize that the problem isn't the Dems or Republicans but rather the Federal Government itself.

I've been saying for years that when it comes to serving the PTB, they're both on the same team... but this generally falls upon deaf ears.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 6:50:04 AM

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It was George Washington himself that warned America of the dangers of a two-party system he said he started to see take form. It wasn't Democrat and Republican back then....it was federalist and anti-federalist which are the ancestors of the current political parties we have today.

Washington also carried no political affiliation.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 6:54:23 AM

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Well, it take a while to realize that the problem isn't the Dems or Republicans but rather the Federal Government itself.

The democrats have also turned against Dennis Kucinich lately for his outspoken ways concerning funding the war, and that there should be more of a fight over war funding... instead many democrats have pushed pork spending through on riders to the bill, and let bush have his way....

It is rather shameful, and it is the reason I am not a democrat...

As far as Cindy Sheehan, I have to say she is a hero of mine. Perhaps one day she will see how her contribution changed American mind, hearts and souls on our involvement in Iraq.... hers was a watershed moment. Perhaps she will see this when the dust clears. I am grateful for her role, screw the dems and the reps... they are all nothing but whores.. the true pro peace movement is not partisan at all.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 7:09:42 AM

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But, but, but... It was the peace movement that drove the Dems to their overwhelming victory last November... The majority of Americans agree with Cindy and want us to bring the troops home....

I see late nights and early mornings for the spin doctors on this one. And a great big crack in the Dem party for '08. Who wants Kool-aid?

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 7:34:36 AM

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But, but, but... It was the peace movement that drove the Dems to their overwhelming victory last November... The majority of Americans agree with Cindy and want us to bring the troops home....

I see late nights and early mornings for the spin doctors on this one. And a great big crack in the Dem party for '08. Who wants Kool-aid?

Was it the peace movement, or the realization that Bush committed felonies to get us to invade and occupy Iraq, and is completely incompetent to manage the fiasco he chose to create?

I'm still wishing that The Few Good Men like Captain Iglesias were still working at DOJ, but they ain't.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 7:45:58 AM

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Well, it take a while to realize that the problem isn't the Dems or Republicans but rather the Federal Government itself.

The democrats have also turned against Dennis Kucinich lately for his outspoken ways concerning funding the war, and that there should be more of a fight over war funding... instead many democrats have pushed pork spending through on riders to the bill, and let bush have his way....

It is rather shameful, and it is the reason I am not a democrat...

As far as Cindy Sheehan, I have to say she is a hero of mine. Perhaps one day she will see how her contribution changed American mind, hearts and souls on our involvement in Iraq.... hers was a watershed moment. Perhaps she will see this when the dust clears. I am grateful for her role, screw the dems and the reps... they are all nothing but whores.. the true pro peace movement is not partisan at all.

she etched a place in history- her question "mr president, What noble cause?"
the history books will side note this.

i chalked her up to- ok- she is grieving. she is too much the mom type for hardball.

she dared to ask questions. i was raised to always ask questions.

i share in her discust. the 2 partys are nothing more then coke vs pepsi- with no real checks and balances on our corporate masters.

im sorry to the other countries we couldnt fix this run a muck mess this time.

2008 ???

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:19:08 AM

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the point of this post was not about her, while I dont agree with what she said or believed in, I know the pain of losing a loved one in war. And she had every right to do what she did. the point of my OP was to point out that once she was broke, burned out, and useless to the DNC they just abandoned her.

I am aware of Washington's warning against the party system, but it is inevitable that over time people who think the same way and vote the same way are going to group together. You cant eliminate parties, you need to change the way they operate.

As for blaming the federal government, what do you propose FB? disestablish the government? and let 50 states try to survive without a unified voice? without a strong government to deal with the rising enemy that has been festering in the arab world for decades? Point your fingers all you want, but the impact of the Iraq war will be recognized as something far greater than what the liberals are focusing on now. The left tends to focus on the here and now, while the right typically focuses on the long term future. Bush has awakened the world to the threat posed by the Terrorists. France has elected a conservative who understands the threat. Lebanon is in civil war because their inaction allowed arab 'refugees' to sit in a camp for 60 years without integrating them into society, that is not an isolated incident, camps like that exists all over the arab world, and if one small little group, in one camp is dragging Lebanon into chaos, the other governments are starting to take a step back and are realizing what exactly it is they allowed to grow in their backyards.
The Iraq war has opened the eyes of the world to the threat posed by the terrorists. If the mighty US Army is having trouble dealing with them, the rest of the world is becoming scared shitless as to what will happen when it's their turn to fight. And more and more countries are realizing that unless they pick the battlefield soon, the terrorists will start the fight in the civilized countries. Personally I prefer to have the war fought in Baghdad and Kabul rather than Washington D.C., New York City, London, Madrid, Sydney, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, etc....
Iraq is nothing but a taste of what's to come. The time to point fingers is over. The time to come together for survival is at hand. The real war is coming. There is no stopping it. It is too late to stop the terrorists from starting it. All we can do now is take the fight to them.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:24:16 AM

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I don't think they abandoned her. I think she was naive for expecting to be able to effect change.

And to those who suggest that Al Quaida has plans for Global Domination seem to forget that they can't even get their shit together and create the Muslim Paradise in Baghdad, so how the hell are they going to extend their control worldwide?

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:36:28 AM

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And to those who suggest that Al Quaida has plans for Global Domination seem to forget that they can't even get their shit together and create the Muslim Paradise in Baghdad, so how the hell are they going to extend their control worldwide?

are you kidding, the situation in Baghdad is exactly the way they want it. People dying by the dozens, people terrified, the US is in political turmoil over it, they dont need Baghdad to be like Tehran is right now. They need only to keep the status quo. and it's not just Al Quaida, you have Hizbullah, Hamas, Isalmic Jihad, PFLP, and much much more. Have you ever read any of their propoganda to their people? they have clear intentions on turning the world into an uncivilized, barbaric, third world existence like thier homes are(or were).

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:42:18 AM

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Right. Maybe is was growing up with the threat of being incinerated by countless nuclear missiles with no warning which inures me to these, what I consider, overly paranoid responses to a very minor threat.

Bin Ladin wanted US Troops out of his homeland, Saudi Arabia.

Bin Ladin planned and executed the 9/11/2001 attacks.

Bush withdrew the US troops from Bin Ladin's homeland, as ordered.

Seems to me, that if Bush wanted to send a message, he would have captured and tried Bin-Ladin, rather than appeasing him and giving into his terrorist threats.

There's no threat anymore. Bush gave Bin Ladin what he demanded.

Now, how do we go about un-doing Bush's damage?

And why the hell should I care about Iraq's problems again? I have a rifle, so I'm not scared of anyone that I can't shoot dead before they do something evil. And if I can't shoot them dead, then there's nothing I can do about it, and it's G-d's Will that I die.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:51:19 AM

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The removal of US troops from Saudi Arabia had been in the works and planning stages for years. Things like that dont happen overnight, it involves alot of complicated logistical operations to close bases in foreign countries. 9/11 was NOT the catalyst that brought about the withdrawl.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:00:58 AM

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It *does* take time.

Bin Ladin demanded it in 2001.

Bush had complied in 2003.

Justifying it "Well, we were closing them" doesn't get us any respect, does it?

To the Enemies, it looks like Bush Surrendered.

So, how do we undo Bush's damage to the Honor of America?

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:11:14 AM

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We were asked by the SAUDIS to remove the bases, and it takes more than 2 years to shift that many resources.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:13:16 AM

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I am a BIG supporter of her, I'm sad she is stopping, but, I do understand; she brought a LOT of light and attention to things. I'm proud of her. She did what most others would not do. She put a face to what a LOT of other mothers where going through.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:20:24 AM

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We were asked by the SAUDIS to remove the bases, and it takes more than 2 years to shift that many resources.

Justify it however you want. It's not going to change the perception the world has of Bush as a Terrorist Appeaser who obeys the demands he's given.

And that's the challenge which exists, whether or not you choose to see that angle, it's how the Fundies see us.

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