RE: Public undressing of sub females (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Submissive



Message

Mercnbeth -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 11:48:18 AM)

Is is safe to assume that not one poster documenting their contempt and disgust for the public display of nudity and and/or a bra-strap citing the 'law' as a justification have never driven a car even one mile over the speed limit, always cross the street at the cross-walk, and wash their hands after every trip to the bathroom.

One person's public displays of affection is another's public display of sex. Had the OP fondled the girl over the clothing, rubbing her to orgasm through her clothing been less offensive? What if the woman had the ability to orgasm on command? Suppose she was wearing a remotely controlled vibrator and it was turned on in a crowded Aerial Tram gondola riding up to the top of Mt. San Jacinto in Palm Springs? (ahhhhh fond memory!) If an adult noticed any/all of these occurrences in order to offend an UM it would have to be pointed out to them. "Look Sally, I think that woman is having an orgasm! I remember almost having one with your dad back in 01."

On the other hand, two adults arguing and yelling at each other only requires ears and isn't something to easily turn away. I guess it is the same thought process that permits the viewing of 5,341 (made up number) murders, muggings, and violent rapes on TV, but no female breasts, at least not that nasty nipple part, without cable. That makes sense to some, because killing is a part of life, sex is something to be kept in the dark and considered dirty and nasty. It's okay to represent a breast as something to shoot or stab at, not fondle and caress.

However, forget about the OP question regarding public undressing. Seeing some responses one could wonder if some have been naked and have had sex in private with the lights on. 

(With another person I mean; "intense" cyber sessions by the glow of the computer notwithstanding.)



rascallymisty -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 12:00:38 PM)

Greetings Ron,
 
From the op you wrote I agree, I have seen much worst just walking down the street.  Do I like it.....no, do I want my children and grandchildren seeing it .......NO.  I think we are exposing our young to, to much sex. We have kids having kids now days.....but that would be another thread, sorry about the ramble....back to the thread.
 
My Master has the same thinking as You do, it excites Him as well ~smiles~. Master has plans on doing this with me. I tend to be very shy and very modest so this will be a hugh thing for me. I have agreed to doing so after a great deal of talking it out.....because He has assured me it will be done with discreetion. I have great faith in Him that he will make sure that my safety and those of others will be intact. I work with children, so anything that could get me arrested so that I could never do so again, will be taken into account. I am also a big believe in SSC.....so I can also understand that point of view, it was the one thing that bothered me most when Master told me I would be doing this for him. I have trust that He will know the situation well enough to make sure all are comfortable with what is gonna happen.
 
You mentioned no ums in Your op, but as a parent and grandmother I can see why some are reacting as they are.
 
~misty~



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 12:03:20 PM)

I think the problem is that we make sex into a status symbol and currency- rather than a normal human experience with various aspects to it.

Exposure isn't the problem.



AquaticSub -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 12:27:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
I agree with that. For me it's all about consent and knowing what each child could handle and making a responsible decision, which you just can't when you are messing around in the middle of a public place during the day.

But that doesn't mean we should be paralyzed and not do ANYTHING we want because we don't have signed forms from everyone.

I can't say where the line is between your consent vs mine in public areas.  I think loud interruptive noises are bad, running into people is bad, guns are bad, needles are bad, but nudity and public sex is no big deal.

And I completely understand what our standards actually ARE and have no activists desires to try and make a change towards how I feel they should be- so I don't do actually those things in parks, or if I do I try very hard to go to a private area in the park. 

BTW this is also part of why I'm so against dress codes.


I guess I don't see how asking people to not have overt sexual activites like heavy petting in a public park really limits people. I don't have a problem with necking, making out, kissing, holding hands.

If I was with children and that was going on, then I would take the "well, that's them, that is what is behavior you'll get to enjoy when you are old enough to handle it/we don't do that in public because we think it's rude to those around" approach. I simply feel that after a certain point, you've got to get the consent of those around you and if it dampens your enjoyment a bit... well we can't have everything we want in life.

For me, it's a bit like making loud noises. These behaviors have their place and it's a mark of good character to be courtious as to when, where and who is going to be around.

BTW, I hate dress codes too. I refuse to wear khaki now because I was never allowed to jeans at the school I used to go to. [:'(]



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 12:40:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
If I was with children and that was going on, then I would take the "well, that's them, that is what is behavior you'll get to enjoy when you are old enough to handle it/we don't do that in public because we think it's rude to those around" approach. I simply feel that after a certain point, you've got to get the consent of those around you and if it dampens your enjoyment a bit... well we can't have everything we want in life.

For me, it's a bit like making loud noises. These behaviors have their place and it's a mark of good character to be courtious as to when, where and who is going to be around.

I completely agree.  Public spaces create a public sense of general reasonable consent.  I understand socialization rules and, unless I'm willing to deal with the work and consequences of fighting them, I go along or find ways of compromising.

But I'm saying that just because this is how things ARE, doesn't mean that things are right.  It doesn't mean that my way of things is wrong.  It just means that, socially, this is what most people want in these social places right now. 

It's a very slippery slope to start giving up freedoms though and letting other people legislate your personal behavior, even in public places.  I'm not saying it's wrong, simply that it should be done very carefully, thoughtfully and with awareness.  Right now these types of rules on clothing and sex are based on fear and archaic ridiculous notions.



darkinshadows -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 1:00:35 PM)

I don't believe that there is too much exposure to younger people of sex, but there is definately and under exposure of teaching about it and how to be responsible.
 
One thread that reoccurs on this forum and others, is the whole 'when was your first BDSM awakening and where their indications when you were a child' - what people tend to forget or just not realise is that people do experiment from an early age.  Hiding sex isn't healthy - teaching the responsibilities of behaviour is.
 
As Em said - exposure isn't the problem.
And I will add - lack of teaching and undue embarressment is.
 
Peace



WillowRain -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 1:11:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I think the problem is that we make sex into a status symbol and currency- rather than a normal human experience with various aspects to it.

Exposure isn't the problem.


I don't think it's cool to expose minors to sex. Just like, you should probably be of a certain age before you have to deal with taxes. :P Kids should get to have some time where they don't have to deal with all the complicated stuff of adult hood. I don't think nudity is problamatic, and I would more agree with you that I don't really care if kids are sheltered from nudity or not. But sexuality is complex and sometimes (to children) frightening and confusing adult behavior. Heck, come to think of it, sometimes it's frightening and confusing behavior to adults.

F** all you want, anywhere you want... but not in front of my kids and we're cool. There is a reason why there is an age of consent. I'd really prefer that people kept their yelling and screaming, and drunken brawls in private as well. If you are an exhibitionist, one of the things you gotta consider is that as soon as someone sees you, you have included them in the scene. I'm a voyure, I really enjoy exhibitionists, but not every one does, and heck, even if you could ask, kids can't really give consent. It is unfair to expect a five year old to have any capacity or ability to consent, or make good judgements about what they see or don't see, and how they process the actions and behaviors of adults. It's not fair to impose our sexuality on children.

edit : it was mentioned that kids do kinky stuff too. Yup, sure do. They hump teddy bears. They tie other kids up playing cops and robbers. They masterbate while watching cartoons. (In the house I grew up in, there was no shame, but a body was reminded what behavior was appropriate in public and what should be done in the privacy of ones room) But it's all about their own bodies and exploration. When we impose adult sexuality on children we fast forward them through all that exploration that is healthy and normal. Human sexuality evolves, grows, changes and we as adults in our culture need to make space for that to happen. I am not a fan of shaming kids about their bodies in any way. I am very pro education and there are some really great folks out there that are writing books and putting out support materials for parents these days. We don't have the right to short circuit their process, to throw them out of the kiddie pool and into the deep part of the ocean. I'm just arguing for their rights to stay in the kiddie pool, and our responsibility to make that possible as a culture.



Feminita -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 1:17:05 PM)

one time my Master & I met a girl we had been with b-4 at a bar and after few drinks took her , briskly, outside the bar to fuck her in the car in back of the bar. My husband began to playfully undress her on the way and by the time we had walk 40 yds around the corner she was naked except for shoes....very much observed by craning necks of happy hour drinkers seekng a parking spot--- interetsingly no one stop or sai a word as they drov eby.

Also of interest, although we had been w/ her 3-4 times previously, including calling her by phone and telling her to drive to our house,  my husband began to spank her for her public display- leaving a several raised outlines of his hand on her ass, only to have her say " not any harder as my husband might see them and I don't want to lose my family". No shit, slut, what did you tell him when you went home with belt marks on your back or cum on your head?



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 1:29:45 PM)

I don't think simply having it out in general is short circuiting anything or imposing anything or throwing anyone out of a kiddie pool.  But I also don't have this view that UMs are white glowing paragons of innocence and that sex is nasty black stuff which takes it all away.

I'm not even talking about EDUCATING Ums about sex as Dark did, that's an even more horrendous discussion to have with other adults.  I'm simply talking about allowing it in public places as a normal activity, such as what most people consider hand holding today.



corysub -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 1:33:10 PM)

I read some of these comments with complete disbelief that a woman could be exhibited nekid in a park or parking lot of a bar, and the
only reaction of people was to "watch" the proceedings?  Try that in Central Park and both the woman and the guy would be raped! 
Try that in some neighborhoods and the best case would be an arrest, and I won't even speculate on what the worst case could be. 
Exposing a woman to such physical risk marks her Master as an immature and complete idiot!  Who in their right mind would expose their
property to such a risk?  Sure, we have all seen some petting on the beach and two girls kissing is pretty much a "non-event" these days.
However, to undress a female in public puts everyone in our scene at risk from public demands to close any venue friendly to our play,
and for good reason.  You can get plenty of enjoyment and humiliation of a slave by a public display among like minded people, but parks
are a place for family fun, relaxation, and "legal" activitiy.  At least...this is how i feel.   corysub



darkinshadows -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 1:47:33 PM)

Sex isn't some big dirty dark secret that is going to chuck younger people out of the kiddie pool.
Younger people aren't pure white innocents that people percieve them to be.  It's a normal and natural activity that happens everyday.  Not so long ago, people were shocked to see a womans ankles.  What is idiotic about the whole situation is that it is perfectly 'acceptable' to see someone abusing another verbally or physically in the street and no one says a damn thing and that isnt seen as corruption, but to see two men kissing using tongues in the local cafe or a couple showing physical, sexual love and mutual care (caressing, touching etc) that is somehow wrong and going to corrupt others?
 
I swear - anyone who just have 'vanilla' sex must be incredibly naive if they think that the younger people in the houset just don't know what is going on.
 
Peace
 
mumbling that it's really hard to try and keep within TOS



ron2421 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 2:26:33 PM)

Is this like that game where the story starts and by the time it gets to the end of the line of people it changes?
Corysub, the woman was not "nekid" in the park. Playing with her boyfriend, she had her shirt briefly pulled up at intervals, exposing her bra, and her pants pulled down, actually pulled down and not just unsnapped, not much longer than a minute to her thighs exposing her panties.
For my two cents, I think there's a significant difference between that and being stripped naked. At the risk of being redundant, I will keep pointing it out as long as people continue to reference the story inaccurately. Just wanting to be as fair as possible to the debate.
Thanks.



corysub -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 2:58:30 PM)

As I recall, there was a posting here regarding a Master taking a woman out of a bar and starting undressing her on the way to his car
to fuck her.  As he story went, the gal was nekid by the time she got to the car other than the shoes she was wearing.  I read the original
thread you wrote regarding the park incident, and, while the woman had her pants around her ankles and her panties were exposed to view,
I don't think that really changes the core of my view in that, aside from the obvious criminality of his offense, he exposed both of them to extreme physical danger.  This is a wonderful lifestyle but can be extremely dangerous if some measure of sanity is not fully observed. Most
of us, particularly slaves, can recall incidents where we worried about life and limb because of a dominant gone bezerk..!!  None of us would want to go through that experience again....  I wish you well....  cory



swtnsparkling -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 3:27:23 PM)

ron,

Just wondering  while you watched this, did you happen to see UM's? and if so appox. how many where running around close to where this "nasty"couple were?

ops   edited update:just saw that there were none.

so many are up in arms over it - lol
Tell me not one of you ( who is so disgusted) have never kissed, perhaps slapped your partners butt or done anything the slighest bit sexual  in public?
If you say you haven't - your lying



ron2421 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 3:59:27 PM)

Hi swtnsparkling.
As I said earlier, a few people walked by a couple of times on the trail near the bench during the petting incident. Each time, the guy stopped his petting and they sat up. To me, it seemed they were taking precautions.
The people in the area were predominately my group of about 60 people all adults over 21 and one baby of about two years old.
Believe me, the group of people I was with were not the kind of people to get spastic over such a scene. They played volleyball and frisbee or sat at one of three picnic tables, eating, drinking soda and talking.
Of this scene, only the one picnic table where I sat and sections of the frisbee and volleyball "play" areas really had full visibility to the park bench. I observed a few from the group occasionally look over at the couple with a "hmm, I what they are up to?" kind of brief stare. They did not seem to really care, and were mostly preoccupied with what they were doing.
When the couple left, I felt like saying to a few of my friends in the group, "Boy did you see what I saw over there at the park bench." But I decided to keep my little voyeuristic experience selfishly all to myself.
This is so much fun! I feel like I feel like recalling an incident for a private investigator or something.

Corysub, you're sort of exaggerating again about the park incident. Her pants were never pulled down to her ankles.
And I remind you of earlier posts where it has been noted that public petting over clothed private parts is indeed in violation of obscenity and/or other laws in most states. But then again sadomaschistic activities of most any kind including spanking, whipping, bondage, etc., in either public or private, are in violation of the very same laws. I provided a link further up.
So please keep that in mind when you acknowledge the "criminality" of this couple's alleged obscene activity in the park.



swtnsparkling -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 4:09:16 PM)

quote:

Corysub, you're sort of exaggerating


Ron,
I think many who responed to your post  are exaggerating and need a chill pill



marieToo -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 4:30:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WillowRain

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I think the problem is that we make sex into a status symbol and currency- rather than a normal human experience with various aspects to it.

Exposure isn't the problem.


I don't think it's cool to expose minors to sex. Just like, you should probably be of a certain age before you have to deal with taxes. :P Kids should get to have some time where they don't have to deal with all the complicated stuff of adult hood. I don't think nudity is problamatic, and I would more agree with you that I don't really care if kids are sheltered from nudity or not. But sexuality is complex and sometimes (to children) frightening and confusing adult behavior. Heck, come to think of it, sometimes it's frightening and confusing behavior to adults.

F** all you want, anywhere you want... but not in front of my kids and we're cool. There is a reason why there is an age of consent. I'd really prefer that people kept their yelling and screaming, and drunken brawls in private as well. If you are an exhibitionist, one of the things you gotta consider is that as soon as someone sees you, you have included them in the scene. I'm a voyure, I really enjoy exhibitionists, but not every one does, and heck, even if you could ask, kids can't really give consent. It is unfair to expect a five year old to have any capacity or ability to consent, or make good judgements about what they see or don't see, and how they process the actions and behaviors of adults. It's not fair to impose our sexuality on children.

edit : it was mentioned that kids do kinky stuff too. Yup, sure do. They hump teddy bears. They tie other kids up playing cops and robbers. They masterbate while watching cartoons. (In the house I grew up in, there was no shame, but a body was reminded what behavior was appropriate in public and what should be done in the privacy of ones room) But it's all about their own bodies and exploration. When we impose adult sexuality on children we fast forward them through all that exploration that is healthy and normal. Human sexuality evolves, grows, changes and we as adults in our culture need to make space for that to happen. I am not a fan of shaming kids about their bodies in any way. I am very pro education and there are some really great folks out there that are writing books and putting out support materials for parents these days. We don't have the right to short circuit their process, to throw them out of the kiddie pool and into the deep part of the ocean. I'm just arguing for their rights to stay in the kiddie pool, and our responsibility to make that possible as a culture.



Brilliant post.  

I highlighted the stuff that really screamed out.










darkinshadows -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 4:32:36 PM)

quote:

Most
of us, particularly slaves, can recall incidents where we worried about life and limb because of a dominant gone bezerk..!! 

Dominants gone bezerk?  No.  People going bezerk - maybe - but to define a dominant as someone who is not in charge of the actions or not listening to safewording etc is completely misleading IMO.
 
The OP is simply a question of voyeurism and exhibitionism (or more particularly - dogging) really... it speaks about a couple who were basically heavy petting in a semi public environment.  Is it weird to be turned on by watching people like that?  No.  In the UK, dogging is pretty common.  Try googling for local groups and areas.
 
Peace



AquaticSub -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 4:38:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

ron,

Just wondering  while you watched this, did you happen to see UM's? and if so appox. how many where running around close to where this "nasty"couple were?

ops   edited update:just saw that there were none.

so many are up in arms over it - lol
Tell me not one of you ( who is so disgusted) have never kissed, perhaps slapped your partners butt or done anything the slighest bit sexual  in public?
If you say you haven't - your lying


Actually, some people haven't. Not me, but I know people who just don't do PDA. But those of us who are "up in arms" aren't saying that everything should be banned. Just that there is a line and this crosses it.

I have smacked Valyraen's butt in public and he mine. But owned though I am, I would not allow him to display my panties or bra in a public park on memorial day because I feel it crosses the line.

This isn't really an issue of "ban everything remotely sexual". It's an issue of "Where is the line?".



earthycouple -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (5/31/2007 5:08:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ron2421

No offense intended Diurnal Vampire, but I wish you'd read the entire posts before responding to things already addressed. I indicated the Sub did not seem to mind it at all and playfully went along with it. She did not appear to be hateful or angry at the guy, as you insinuate she must have been.
In fact, based on way the couple left the park, holding hands and googly-eyed, I sure bet they had excellent sex later on that day!
I don't think the couple was being selfish. I greatly sensed they were cognizant if enough people seemed to care about what they were doing, they would stop. As an example, they stopped a few times when people walked on the trail near to the bench. And the "flashing" part occurred when no one was on the trail close to them. Accessibility and visibility to the area was extremely limited due to fencing and the trail through the brush.
Some years ago, I one time also witnessed in a somewhat remote location of a different park a teenage guy give his teenage girlfriend a full wedgie, until her panties ripped off. I suppose that scene would offend some as well. But she also laughed and seemed to play along with it. I recall afterward she she tackled her boyfriend to the ground and slugged him quite hard in the back, and yes quite playfully, afterwards. They were both laughing.

As to MajiksSlave, you're absolutely right. I am not sure whether they were a Dom and Sub. I can imagine? Thanks.



You know, it sounds to me, like in the OP and now here, that you are just trying to get off on this and are hoping we will too.... WRONG



Page: <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.0625