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RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 2:41:49 PM   
naughtynick81


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I am after any woman who is straight or bi.



Perhaps this might be an interesting snip to focus on Nick. Please dont think I'm getting at you over it, as its not anything peculiar to you by any means, but rather a widespread notion amongst the male population.

There's an old feminist slogan that runs something like "women are people too". Now, thats easy to say and easy to read and understand I know, and easy enough to repeat. But truly comprehending that simple phrase is something that I find guys genuinely seem to have a problem with. Perhaps it was unintended, but the way you wrote the snip above, indicates that you fall into the majority of males to my mind, who do not comprehend it. I'll be honest - it was only when I transitioned that I comprehended it fully.

What it amounts to, is that a woman is not a life support system for boobs and a vagina. She does not exist as an accessory to the life of a man, and neither is she a baby making machine to provide heirs. She is a full person in her own right, in exactly the same way as you might regard other men, except that this person is female, and is just as autonomous and entitled to respect as an individual rather than as one amongst many. Every woman is different, just like every man; she has her own likes and dislikes and preferences, her own interests and abilities and ambitions, her own character and behaviours.

What this means is, that when you say you are looking for "any woman", it indicates to women that you do not value them as people at all, and that doesnt inspire their interest very much I'm afraid.

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Yes women are people to but what women don't understand is that men think different about sex than women, we are wired different, we approach sex different, we need sex more than women. Its' in our instinct to constantly seek the next root. Why should a male be shamed just because of his instinct? He was born with it. It's just like shaming a black person for being black and having his or her ways for being that race. But I know that most women will refuse to understand what I just said so its pretty much useless.

One of the main reasons why a male is more open to have sex with most women and not just some is because a male does not get sex as easy as a woman can. A woman can get it in the click of a finger while a male can only wish for that. Most women get what most men can only wish for. A male appreciates what option he can get because his options are limited. As for a woman, her options can be pretty much unlimited and it makes her more picky. She can reject anyone she wants.

What you are trying to say is that males are not seeing women as people, but the way I see it is that males appreciate 2nd, 3rd , 4th best and so on while a woman will only appreciate 1st place.

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RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 2:58:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		the answer is different strokes for different folks

or your kink is not my kink. Accept that and move on.

I've read your profile.

you're so confused I don't see how you'll find anyone on CM.


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RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 3:02:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrrPete

the answer is different strokes for different folks

or your kink is not my kink. Accept that and move on.

I've read your profile.

you're so confused I don't see how you'll find anyone on CM.



How am I confused? Give me a logical answer in detail.

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RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 3:07:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		What makes a woman 2nd, 3rd or 4th best Nick? For the same matter, what makes a woman 1st best?

I appreciate what youre saying about sex drive and so on (though such difference is by no means universal, apparently), but why would you have sex with a woman who was 2nd, 3rd or 4th best in your judgement? Taking it to the extreme, are you saying you would have sex with any woman if she offered? Youre right, I dont understand it; I also dont get it, but thats another matter..... I'm by no means average mind you, but I just cannot imagine having sex with anyone unless there was some sort of emotional connection?

Of course you shouldnt feel ashamed or be shamed over your instincts, but we are special animals able to override our instincts. Doing so makes for a sane and ordered world and also improves our chances no end of securing a mate I would suggest.

And I'd suggest you answered your own question and dilemna in that post too. Simply, you need to be 1st best for the right woman to select you - there are some common standards you need to meet for that, but you also have to be the best you that you can be, because she is looking for 1st best according to her own criteria, and in those criteria that would be you at your best, as her 1st best.

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RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 3:08:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you kidding me?  You say I pretty much want a normal relationship that does not revolve around BDSM. I would strongly prefer to date a person who is into bondage than some one who is vanilla, thats one of the main reasons why I am here. You can just keep me locked up and I will just have to wait until next time you feel like using me again or when you decide to let me go.

That sounds pretty much like a relationship that revolves around BDSM.

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RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 3:20:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Well I guess any thread about men only wanting sex is stupid than. Hows that for fair :)


Very.

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RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 3:39:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		What? Some bi women prefer women, some bi women prefer men. Some have emotional intimacy with one sex and enjoy play or sex based relationships with the other. It seems to me like most bi people lean toward heterosexuality, honestly, but this is purely anecdotal.

Either way, it's preference, and while choosing to pursue sex and relationships with certain kinds of people is a form of discrimination, it's hardly wrong or bad. It's a matter of taste. If a woman wants relationships with only women, or triad relationships with women and men, she gets to seek that and refuse other options. If she wants relationships with only men, she gets to seek exclusively that, too. The same goes for men, by the way, if it even needs to be said. It's always disappointing when you want someone and he or she doesn't want you, yes, and it's entirely okay to be sad about it, but it's not *wrong*. (In fact, I'm less sad when a person doesn't want to play with me because he or she doesn't play with women than when a person doesn't want to play with me because he or she doesn't find me, personally, attractive.)

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RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 3:51:35 PM   
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chauvinism no matter what way you look at it.

Actually it isn't...Chauvinism means:
chau·vin·ism       (shō'və-nĭz'əm)  Pronunciation Key 
n.  

  • Militant devotion to and glorification of one's country; fanatical patriotism.
  • Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind: "the chauvinism . . . of making extraterrestrial life in our own image" (Henry S.F. Cooper, Jr.)
    Now  neither definition applies to a bisexual woman who is not looking for a single man, please learn what words mean before using them.
    Perhaps the reason she is not looking for a single man online is that there are likely more than enough single men in her immediate vicinity ready, willing and able to satisfy her wants and desires in that direction....its the women and couples that are harder to find, so those are what she is looking for. face it, a young, even moderatly attractive woman can go out and get laid practically at will, single men abound and are pretty much always happy to oblige.

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    RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 4:05:58 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: naughtynick81
    Yes women are people to but what women don't understand is that men think different about sex than women, we are wired different, we approach sex different, we need sex more than women. Its' in our instinct to constantly seek the next root. Why should a male be shamed just because of his instinct? He was born with it. It's just like shaming a black person for being black and having his or her ways for being that race. But I know that most women will refuse to understand what I just said so its pretty much useless.

    One of the main reasons why a male is more open to have sex with most women and not just some is because a male does not get sex as easy as a woman can. A woman can get it in the click of a finger while a male can only wish for that. Most women get what most men can only wish for. A male appreciates what option he can get because his options are limited. As for a woman, her options can be pretty much unlimited and it makes her more picky. She can reject anyone she wants.

    What you are trying to say is that males are not seeing women as people, but the way I see it is that males appreciate 2nd, 3rd , 4th best and so on while a woman will only appreciate 1st place.


    And the hits just keep on coming!  So now, you're including every male with yourself, just as you lumped all bi women into the same group.  I can most assuredly tell you that all men are NOT 'wired the same', especially if that means that we're all just like you.  You can be whatever you want to be; instincts and primal desires haven't got a damned thing to do with it, unless you're weak-minded enough to give into them.  Mature men are fully capable of controlling their own sexual desires, and while I can't speak for everyone, I'd really prefer that you not drag me down to your level.

    -Einzelgänger

    P.S.  There really is more to life than just sex, you know...and sex is alot better when it's not out of desperation.  Just my $0.02...

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    RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 4:09:15 PM   
    Arpig


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    RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 4:14:11 PM   
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    Status: offline     		I just don't get this arguement at all.
    If we want sex we all take second or third or fourth best.
    Surely we can be honest enough to admit that.
    The person we would most like probably isn't available to us.
    That doesn't mean we will have sex with anyone.
    And of course sex is better when there is an emotional connection but for some people if they waited for that they might never have sex at all.
    Sex is sex it can be mundane it can be absolutely fabulous.
    It's the same with BDSM it just depends who your doing it with like everything else in life. Would I go and pick up someone in a club to have sex with no not a chance.
    Neither would I go and pick up someone at a BDSM club to 'play' with.
    We search the world over for the right partners. Why? because the man or woman down the road or at the local club aren't going to be the right partner for us unless we are very very lucky.

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    RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 5:11:39 PM   
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    < Message edited by LightHeartedMaam -- 5/31/2007 5:16:47 PM >

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    RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 5:15:44 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Meow, and yawn, I was just asking myself that question early on into the thread (which I'd clicked on because, well, it's a matter of particular interest to me, *slurp*), and yes, you asked it: why is the OP seemingly so obsessed with bisexual chicks? Could it be that he never fulfilled a fantasy of his?

    Kay, 'nuff before I go on.



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    RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 5:18:10 PM   
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    My but you are a whiney little bugger aren't you nick.



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    RE: Bi sexual women - 5/31/2007 5:21:53 PM   
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    It is far more socially acceptable for a woman to be bisexual than a man in today's America. If you check the Polyamory Forum here you will find that most heterosexual couples are looking for an additional female, not an additional male,
    the same applies to many swingers.
     
    If you wish to find a het couple searching for an additional male, then look for a Female Dominant. 
    Some have several slaves of various genders.

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    RE: Bi sexual women - 6/1/2007 11:42:12 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

    The reason why this thread got moved to the random stupidity thread is because not many people take a male seriously when ever he expresses the wrong things women do. It's quite common to see this any where really. 


    I would think more likely because the OP had little or nothing to do with BDSM.

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    RE: Bi sexual women - 6/1/2007 1:37:24 PM   
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    RE: Bi sexual women - 6/1/2007 4:57:18 PM   
    naughtynick81


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    Status: offline     		Arpig, wrong, chauvinism can mean one gender believes they are superior to the other. I seem to see this a lot in women while it is totally unacceptable if a male does the same. Female chauvinism seems to be invisible like water, its there and everywhere but not noticed but male chauvinism stands out like a treasure chest at the bottom of a fish tank.

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    RE: Bi sexual women - 6/1/2007 5:04:25 PM   
    bandit25


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    Status: offline     		Dude, give it up.  Bi-sexual woman who are looking for other women don't want you (or any other man).  'Nuff said.

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    RE: Bi sexual women - 6/1/2007 5:10:45 PM   
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