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Oh definitely totalitarianism! The nsa now has a database large enough to keep all phone records of peoples conversations for up to 3 years.
Please provide a reference for that statement - and, when you do - please let me know if theyare using it for this purpose - or, if they simply have a database (total) capable of doing this - but, that they are not using it for anything else.
This is such a silly statement it reeks of sensationalist propoganda designed to insense the unthinking with stats which are unachievable.
Silly silly me....
NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY
The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.
The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
Telecoms let NSA spy on calls
By Leslie Cauley and John Diamond, USA TODAY
The National Security Agency has secured the cooperation of large telecommunications companies, including AT&T, MCI and Sprint, in its efforts to eavesdrop without warrants on international calls by suspected terrorists, according to seven telecommunications executives.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-05-nsa-telecoms_x.htm
NSA phone program leaves many questions
Detailed answers are needed to calm civil liberty vs. security concerns
Tim Russert
Washington Bureau Chief
MSNBC: Tim, the revelation that the National Security Agency has been building a massive database of American’s phone calls - tens of millions of American’s phone records sure looks like it comes at a tough time with General Michael Hayden, the nominee to head the CIA, being the former head of the NSA?
Russert: Here we go – civil liberties versus national security one more time.
Republicans I talked to Thursday thought the leak may have been provided by someone who was opposed to General Hayden, because they know, as we all do now, he will undergo very tough questioning about this program.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12753284/
NSA Phone Record Program: More Than Meets the Eye
By Jeralyn, Section War on Terror
Posted on Thu May 11, 2006 at 09:46:37 AM EST
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There is much more going on than even the massive datamining discussed in USA Today. The NSA domestic phone record spying program was largely outed by a whistleblower, Mark Klein, who worked at AT&T.
AT&T provided National Security Agency eavesdroppers with full access to its customers' phone calls, and shunted its customers' internet traffic to data-mining equipment installed in a secret room in its San Francisco switching center, according to a former AT&T worker cooperating in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit against the company.
Mark Klein, a retired AT&T communications technician, submitted an affidavit in support of the EFF's lawsuit this week. That class action lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco last January, alleges that AT&T violated federal and state laws by surreptitiously allowing the government to monitor phone and internet communications of AT&T customers without warrants.
On Wednesday, the EFF asked the court to issue an injunction prohibiting AT&T from continuing the alleged wiretapping, and filed a number of documents under seal, including three AT&T documents that purportedly explain how the wiretapping system works.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/05/11/188/75377
NSA phone spying program: a blueprint for mass repression
By Patrick Martin
15 May 2006
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In the wake of the May 11 revelation by USA Today of a massive telephone spying program by the National Security Agency, directed against nearly every American citizen, the media commentary has deliberately downplayed the sinister nature of the program. This is a deliberate cover-up of what is without question the most wide-ranging invasion of privacy by the federal government in US history.
The press coverage has sought to obscure the vast scale of the data-gathering, as well as the political purposes to which it can be used, in order to lend credence to the Bush administration’s claim that the operation is targeted exclusively at suspected terrorists linked to Al Qaeda. There has not been a single serious media commentary questioning why a supposedly “narrowly focused” program should collect data on an estimated 225 million Americans. Nor has there been any suggestion that the real purpose of the spy program is to assemble a database on the political affiliations and activities of a wide range of American citizens
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/may2006/nsag-m15.shtml
200 Million Americans' Phone Calls Are in Federal Databases
Written by Michael J. West
Published May 11, 2006
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USA Today this morning reports that the infamous NSA wiretapping program is VASTLY more extensive than the White House has ever disclosed: they have created a database that contains all of the phone calls - local, long distance, and international - made by approximately 200 million Americans. USA Today's source has said that the NSA's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made within the nation's borders."
The agency received the phone information when it was sold to them by the three largest telephone communications companies in the United States: AT&T, BellSouth, and Verizon (MY phone company). The telephone companies sold this information to the government (who did not REQUIRE them to do so, merely made a request and then leaned hard on every company who resisted) without notifying its customers, in direct violation of the Communications Act of 1934. That Congressional act specifically forbids the telephone companies from disclosing information on customers' telephone habits.
In 2005, President Bush acknowledged that he had authorized the NSA to conduct warrantless surveillance on ONLY the international calls and emails of ONLY people currently in the US who were suspected of having links to terrorists. "In other words, one end of the communication must be outside the United States," he said.
We now know that this is not true. The NSA wants a database of every call made in the United States by anyone, to anyone. They cannot possibly suspect 200 million people have links to terrorism, but 200 million people nonetheless have their phone calls in a federal database, without warrants or probable cause, in direct violation of the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
At the very least, the Administration has some explaining to do.
At worst, there's a larger concern at work. The President has already given demonstrably untrue information about the limits of this program. If today the White House confirms that
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/05/11/123553.php
Oh so the government considers the rules of the game on playing field are now a LEAK!!!!!!!
Republicans I talked to Thursday thought the leak
Yeh thats in the constitution, secret government.
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