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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 2:39:49 AM

ElektraUkM

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ORIGINAL: Tristan

Gender superiority = gender inferiority complex. The only reason I can think of promoting ones gender above another is because you already have a feeling of inferiority. Why else else would you make statements like that unless you were not completely confident in yourself?

Just what I was going to say.

Could be that the quote about 'male inferiority' wasn't meant as a blanket expression, but perhaps taken out of context and meant to express a perceived 'inferiority' within a specific dynamic. Inferior doesn't necessarily mean what we're all presuming it means here.. it could mean 'inferiority of rank or position' (rather than inferiority per se).

However, I have to say that YES, i've read (and commented on, but never seen a response) lots of subs here preface their comments with "i'm only a sub" or something... as if being a sub somehow means that they are less likely/deserving of being heard. Very odd.

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 2:42:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

[Maybe in 'respectable company' some Males supremists don't wish to utter such thoughts in front of their peers - but as a submissive and a woman, I have definiately heard lots on 'my inferior species' by so called knowledgeable gentleman(notice my politeness?...lol)

... evidence to support the suggestion that people only assume their own superiority because of an innate fear of their own inferiority..? Fancy waiting till you're with like-minded people before you feel free to express your ideas.

~ Elektra

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 3:02:24 AM

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Inferiority? What does that mean?lol J\k. I think people who worry about inferiority/superiority, as has been said, feel(but are of course, not) inferior.

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 10:05:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

[Maybe in 'respectable company' some Males supremists don't wish to utter such thoughts in front of their peers - but as a submissive and a woman, I have definiately heard lots on 'my inferior species' by so called knowledgeable gentleman(notice my politeness?...lol)

... evidence to support the suggestion that people only assume their own superiority because of an innate fear of their own inferiority..? Fancy waiting till you're with like-minded people before you feel free to express your ideas.

~ Elektra

hmmmm... having to admit that I really don't understand your response. lol... neither does Demon - care to ellabourate?

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 11:23:58 AM

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to dark~angel.

I understood you to mean that these 'supremacists' were not admitting their ideas in front of anyone but those who agreed with them? That, to me, is the sort of behaviour shown by people who are afraid to be challenged... perhaps because they secretly fear that they're not so 'supreme' after all..?

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 1:55:26 PM

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Sorry - yes... thank you for making your post clearer - it was a long weekend and I had a blonde moment... !

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 4:02:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Faramir
but it seems pretty common in femdom to male sub.

Strange, but I'm active in my local community and do not know even one Domme who feels that way.. So I just went and read the full first page of California Domme that were online most recently and not one of them had anything like that on their profile. While I am aware anecdotaly that such women exist, in no way do I consider it common. When I see something like that in a profile (either yahoo or on here) I take it as a fantasy profile designed to feed into the needs of a particular type of male submissive.

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 4:21:21 PM

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It shouldn't matter at all how I and my man choose (or you and your lady servant) to relate to one another in our relationship as long as it works for us.. M

Like I said in my reply to the thread. "Whatever floats the boat."

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 4:31:09 PM

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The line "I'm not just a girl w/ a Dominant lifestyle. I believe in female superiority but respect a male's inferiority..." sure sounds a lot like the religious fundimentalist out to attack a homosexual with the "hate the sin but love the sinner" bs. I've yet to meet a "fundy" who really loves the sinner. My guess is that the female supremacists also have similar unresolved issues.

It is interesting how it's only the female supremacists who can talk about their beliefs openly in the bdsm community. Does anyone have any thoughts on why that is? Oh sure, there are plenty of male supremacists, race supremacists, and religion supremacists out there, but unless you belong to the clan or a religous fundimentalist group, you don't get much of an opportunity to discuss your ideas openly. I think it's generally understood that these types of supremacists have problems.

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/23/2005 4:36:50 PM

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Women are not usally afraid of voicing an opinion that may be disregarded - men on the other hand tend to prefere back up - (sorry - couldn;t resist....)

Seriously though - there does seem to be more of a desire by male slaves/subs to want to be humiliated during play, than female. Therefore - female supremism may be more easier to vocalise because there is a desire out there that needs fulfilling.

Just and observation.

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 3:03:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tristan

It is interesting how it's only the female supremacists who can talk about their beliefs openly in the bdsm community. Does anyone have any thoughts on why that is?

My thought is it's seen to be 'ok' because it overturns the social norm of male dominance. I see it as a bit like it's (seen as) OK to bash white male middle classes... but not-ok to bash racial minorities. It's (seen as) OK to bash Christians, but not-OK to bash (e.g., please don't get on my back!) Jews.

(of course these examples only work in my society... things might be different where you are).

~ Elektra

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 3:38:12 AM

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Very good point, ElektraUkM. You may be right. I've always found it interesting how it was accepted that certain groups can bash other groups, and how certain groups are protected. Its not so much the behavior that people condemn, but rather the behavior toward a particular group.

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 4:08:00 AM

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It is interesting how it's only the female supremacists who can talk about their beliefs openly in the bdsm community.

I want to echo what Beach said about not many *real* female supremacists being out there. In fact, I've come across a few on this site that I believe are legitimate and consider themselves female supremacists. It is their choice to do so.

However, let me say that the majority of subscribers of female supremacy that I have met on this site and in the only subscribers of female supremacy that I have met in RL are submissive men.

In fact, I briefly remember a chat that I had with one once that sort of went along the lines of him telling me that he believed in female supremacy, I responded that I didn’t and that I believed no human to be supreme over another. He retorted with something like “If I want to believe that you are superior to me, then there is nothing you can do about it.” Actually there was. It’s called *block this person*. Obviously he was too inferior for me to waste my time on.

In all honesty, I like a very superior male specimen down on his knees before me. So much hotter then a worthless little worm.

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 5:53:15 AM

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I agree wholeheartedly, LA. The only people that I have actually talked to who believed in female supremacy are male subs. I have never talked to a FemDom who did. Holly and I both think that the idea is absurd.

And I would much much rather have a superior male specimen myself

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 10:24:26 AM

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I didn't communicate clearly.

This isn't a bash on women, nor is it a bash on Dommes. My anecdotal experience would be that more male subs are into a male inferiority modality than women. I don't think this is in anyway comparable to a racial supremacist positon, because I don't see any political content here. This appears to be an identifiable kink variant - a slice of D/s intimacy not a seriously proposed ideology.*

It seems very different in flavor, and I don't see a M/f variant or version. I feel like there is something this phenomenon could tell us about men and women in D/s, only I'm not sure what.

*Whereas there are plenty of men who would hold as a serious ideology that women are inferior in leadership. That's ideology though.

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 10:53:57 AM

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Faramir,

I believe the male Dom equivalent is promoted under the guise of "natural order".

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 11:43:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: UtahGoddess

Faramir,

I believe the male Dom equivalent is promoted under the guise of "natural order".

Ms Sandi

After my cousin's wedding, performed by a minister of some sect of the Quaker church that is so extreme that the Quaker church doesn't recognise them anymore - yeah, that's exactly what it is. This is from the wedding ceremony "A man's job is to lead his wife and his family, to be devoted to them, but to guide and lead them through life." And later "A woman's job is to submit to her husband, as God intended." If I didn't love my cousin so dearly, and know that it is his parent's fault that they brought him up in that church, he and I would have had a chat immediately after the ceremony about that.

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 11:47:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: UtahGoddess

Faramir,

I believe the male Dom equivalent is promoted under the guise of "natural order".

Ms Sandi

Is that a D/s thing, or do you mean like in the general population some people believe in a "natural order?"

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 5:26:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

I didn't communicate clearly.

This isn't a bash on women, nor is it a bash on Dommes.

I believe you did communicate clearly. I never took your post as a bash against anyone. You asked a question and you got many answers. Most tell you that there is a fringe of the D/s community that favours one gender over the other but that it doesn't seem to be the norm.

- LA

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RE: Male Inferiority - 5/24/2005 5:29:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

quote:

ORIGINAL: UtahGoddess

Faramir,

I believe the male Dom equivalent is promoted under the guise of "natural order".

Ms Sandi

Is that a D/s thing, or do you mean like in the general population some people believe in a "natural order?"

I won't answer for UtahGoddess, but my opinion is that this applies to the general population. Though things have changed quite a bit over the last 50 years, we still live in a patriarchal society. I'm not suggesting blame on any one gender, race or religion for it. I believe we are all to blame for the state of our society. I'm simply stating a fact.

- LA

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