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Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 11:31:36 AM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		Do you think we learn more from failure than from success? Are there failures in your life that in retrospect you learned from to the extent that it negated your sense of failure? Anyone feel like sharing a personal story?

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 11:33:25 AM   
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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 11:36:59 AM   
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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 11:38:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've never had a success.  I haven't learned from failure, I am still here.

So zero out my columns.

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 11:39:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Learning the hard way can be positive and life-changing.  Of course never at the moment you are in the midst of it.

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 11:44:05 AM   
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Learning the hard way can be positive and life-changing.  Of course never at the moment you are in the midst of it.


I contrasted this with your sigline and thought... Who wants to be trapped in some moments...

I hate admitting I failed, it always seems like a cop out. Sometimes there is nothing else to do though.

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 11:54:37 AM   
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I contrasted this with your sigline and thought... Who wants to be trapped in some moments...


No kidding.  All you can do is try to learn from it and then let it go.  Anything else can be counterproductive.


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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 12:07:23 PM   
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I've learned lots from my failures. In fact, failure has probably been my most effective learning mode. If  I'm afraid to fail, I'll never try anything new. The important thing I had to learn was that failure doesn't have to be catastrophic; just because something didn't work out doesn't mean my life is ruined. Also, I've learned lots of things without realizing it. Some of my failures have been so searing that the lessons got burned right into my cells, I guess. On the other hand, sometimes I keep committing the same fuckups over and over till something finally clicks and I realize something needs to change.

I like this quote attributed to Soichiro Honda: "There can be no success for he who fears failure."  That's a paraphrase, but you get the gist of it, I'm sure.

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 12:12:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		All "failure" means is that you've took a chance and tried. 100% of the times I've failed, and I'd bet if I thought about it there were quite a few times, I've learned something. In some respects failure is a great tool of advancement. Sometimes people think, or try to rationalize, someone or something else caused of failure, but ultimately it is always you. If for no other reasons; you shouldn't have trusted someone you did, thought of something you didn't, or didn't consider all the variables - omitting the one that caused the failure. Failure is a great to learn self reliability and accountability. You learn a hell of lot more in failure than success which can be built upon and used for future attempts.

Having given it your best effort - failure compares to the quote concerning love; "Better to have loved and lost..." With failure, my attitude is "Better to have tried and failed..."

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 12:13:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Do you think we learn more from failure than from success? Are there failures in your life that in retrospect you learned from to the extent that it negated your sense of failure? Anyone feel like sharing a personal story?


There definitely have been some failures in my life that I learned more from than most successes.  One example is a plethora of failed, sometimes very bad, relationships.  They taught me what to look for and what to shy away from in a partner.  Eventually those hideous relationships taught me enough that I was led to my husband.  Though he's not perfect, he's perfect for me, so ultimately those failures led me to success.

After all, life's not beautiful without the pain.  Without some sense of loss or failure, we have no true sense of success.  And if you learn from your failures, eventually most will succeed.

Edited to add:  The sense of failure in my relationships was negated by knowing that I exited them wiser, stronger, more mature, and with a better guiding compass for the future.

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 12:42:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose you could call them "failures", but I prefer to think of them as "didn't succeed.....this time" 

But I feel that non-successes or failures are or should be good teachers.  The only time it's a failure is if you didn't learn from it.

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 1:13:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Failure has shown me many times that although I had not succeeded at something at the time, did not necessarily mean that I was not capable.
Succeeding has also shown me that although I may have shown myself capable, I am not immune to failure.
Both are based on my expectations, and the desired achievement of an outcome.

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 1:17:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Do you think we learn more from failure than from success? Are there failures in your life that in retrospect you learned from to the extent that it negated your sense of failure? Anyone feel like sharing a personal story?


aack!! No, my failures were merely dismal failures. I learned from them that I'm not very good at making decisions especially under stress. I also learned to try to avoid any future failures....!

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 1:39:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Funny you should mention this today, of all days. That good job of mine might be gone. I fucked up and cost the company around $1,000, and I still can't figure it out. I know what I did wrong, and I thought I had a solution, but I tried everything I know, and my knowledge in the field is very strong. That is why I am home right now.

Most of the time I can figure out what went wrong and correct it, but my best efforts have all failed. This is disturbing. This problem seems to defy the laws of physics. That does not reduce my culpability, but why the solution didn't work is highly perplexing.

So much for that. Somethimes I joke around "They say you learn from your mistakes, so I should be pretty damn smart by now".

IMO failure teaches, as do consequences. I always try to correct mistakes, and it is important to isolate mistakes from failures. It only becomes a failure when you are out of options. When you can't correct a mistake. Well today I couldn't. So coincidentally up pops this thread.

For now, screw it. If I still have a job Monday I guess I will have to try again. I am simply out of ideas at his time.

Think I'll have a beer and play the guitar for awhile. Get my mind off it for now.

T

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 1:44:09 PM   
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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 2:53:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Do you think we learn more from failure than from success?

I think most of us DO- I don't think that's how it has to be though.

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 Are there failures in your life that in retrospect you learned from to the extent that it negated your sense of failure? Anyone feel like sharing a personal story?

I only made it on the waiting list to the IB college I applied for in my sophomore year of high school.  It was a great failure because I was so not ready for it in reality but it was great experience to prepare for my future.

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 3:14:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		This reminds me a little bit of when Michelle Kwan was on one of the late-night talk shows after the 1998 Olympics .  They asked her how she felt after losing the gold.  She sat straight up and said, "I didn't LOSE the gold...I WON the silver!"

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 3:54:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have learned from both and strive to remember the one thing
that can be controlled is my own attitude about circumstances,
people and random chaos.  With the added caveat of -
"When calculating for human behavior, never omit the idiot factor!"  

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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 4:01:18 PM   
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Do you think we learn more from failure than from success? Are there failures in your life that in retrospect you learned from to the extent that it negated your sense of failure? Anyone feel like sharing a personal story?
 
I have found that the concepts of “failure” and “success” can vary largely, depending on any given person. Also, while there may be failure present in a given situation, it is often miss-labeled.
 
Then I consider the fact, that it appears to me there is a balance to everything, and while I can say a situation sucked because of a, b, and c; I can also say, I learned from all of that, and got x, y, and z.
 
So, then I have to ask, was it failure, or a necessary step for me to get to the next place?
 
Sorry if I jumped track from where you were going with your post.
 
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RE: Learning From Failure - 6/1/2007 4:36:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret

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Do you think we learn more from failure than from success? Are there failures in your life that in retrospect you learned from to the extent that it negated your sense of failure? Anyone feel like sharing a personal story?
 
I have found that the concepts of “failure” and “success” can vary largely, depending on any given person. Also, while there may be failure present in a given situation, it is often miss-labeled.
 
Then I consider the fact, that it appears to me there is a balance to everything, and while I can say a situation sucked because of a, b, and c; I can also say, I learned from all of that, and got x, y, and z.
 
So, then I have to ask, was it failure, or a necessary step for me to get to the next place?
 
Sorry if I jumped track from where you were going with your post.
 
k


My thoughts are along this line as well.  To be honest, I sincerely can't think of any time that I have "failed".  That's not to say that I've not had situations where the results were less that I'd originally aimed for or that others might not consider my attempts as failures, but that I simply don't view them as failures. 

Every step I take, every attempt I make is a learning experience.  I may not always like the lesson, but I grow nonetheless... and it makes me who I am.  Since I like who I am, I can't complain about how I got here. 


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