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eyesopened -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 2:13:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stella40

And yes, each and every one of us is living to a script in life - it could be a winning script, it could be a losing script, a Cindarella script, but it is a script and we are playing our role in that script.


Ergo, it is a role and you are playing that role and living your script, just like everyone else on this planet. You perceive it to be reality. I don't. I'm not you,I don't live your life, I have my own reality and am living my own script.


Brava!  Every day each of us wakes up and "writes" the script for that day, Very few wake up and do not start anticipating what may happen and how one plans to act or react.  The key is to know that each person is reading and writing their own internal script and that without communicating ones "script" to the others in their life will often result in disappointment.  Being flexible enough to be able to do some "improv" helps!




celticlord2112 -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 3:26:17 AM)

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It's all just roleplaying folks. Whether online or in real life, in the bedroom or full-time, closeted or lifestyle, old-guard, new guard, even with whiped cream and sprinkles, it's all just roleplaying a fantasy scenario.


This may be your truth.  I do not see where it is a universal truth.




slavegirljoy -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 4:34:26 AM)

Couldn't this be just as possible:
Horrified, Manager Tom looks at his new employee and levels an accusing finger at her. "You've been lying to me" he growls. "You're not really an accountant from Detroit!  You're really a pleasure-slave, acting as an accountant, just so you can pay your bills!"
 
Don't people play a role when they put on their 3-piece suit and carry their briefcase into an office building and 'act' like an accountant or secretary or some other business person?  i know that's what i did for many, many years before i chucked-it all for the life that i knew i was meant to live.  No, not a "pleasure-slave" but, a voluntary intimate domestic slave.  For me, it was no different than when i chucked my fatigues and a 12-year Army career when i had the 'higher calling' of motherhood.  After 'playing' the role of a U.S. Army soldier, which is a '24-hour a-day job', i took on the role of mom, which is a '24-hour a-day job' and now i have taken on the role of slave, which is also a '24-hour a-day job'.  So, why is being a slave to a Man, i call "Master", any less valid or 'real' than my being a soldier or being a mom or being any other 'role' i have 'played' in my life?
 
Actually, i think that most people 'play' multiple roles throughout their lives.
 
BTW, it was a very well-written rant and i enjoyed reading it.
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David
 
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ORIGINAL: Suleiman

Horrified, Master Torm looks at his new concubine and levels an accusing finger at her. "You've been lying to me" he growls. "You're not really a pleasure-slave, you're just an accountant from Detroit!"






batshalom -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 5:16:37 AM)

~smiling at joy~




littlebitxxx -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 5:32:25 AM)

HUZZAH!!  [sm=applause.gif]
Someone who gets that our entire lives are spent playing myriad roles.  Some of them are really only serious to ourselves.




Rover -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 6:31:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Suleiman

It's all just roleplaying folks. Whether online or in real life, in the bedroom or full-time, closeted or lifestyle, old-guard, new guard, even with whiped cream and sprinkles, it's all just roleplaying a fantasy scenario.


To begin, that's a universal statement evocative of a "one true way" for everyone.  Not kewl (or accurate).
 
In point of fact, it may be role playing for you, and perhaps a great many others.  There's no one standing nearby throwing a penalty flag if that's the case.  But for some folks, it's a relationship dynamic rather than role play.  It's a structure that represents the nature of their relationship, rather than *making* them into something they are not (ie: they define the relationship, the relationship does not define them).
 
There are some who play the role of salesman in Broadway plays.  And when that night's performance is over, they resume their lives as actors until the next evening's performance.  But that does not negate the fact that there actually are folks who are salesmen.
 
Nice rant, but short on logic.
 
John




Lashra -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 6:59:53 AM)

I agree tottally, although relationships should be taken seriously, some people take their roles over the top to the point that they ruin their lives or mental/physical health. If it isn't fun or meeting your needs then why do it? Thats the question I always ask.

Relax and enjoy, there is enough stress in life without fretting over whether  your a "true" enough this or that to suit someone else. I am Dominant, I am Dominant my way and if it doesn't suit others well, I frankly do not give a damn. I've seen to many subs biting their nails until they bleed wondering if they are submissive enough or if they even are a sub because some snot online told them that they weren't. Stop caring what other people think about you and your role and start using your mind to determine what is right for you.

My two cents,
~Lashra




lateralist1 -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 8:57:13 AM)

When I took life and death decisions as a social worker was I playing a role?
I might have been but the outcome could have been very serious if I got it wrong.
When I discipline someone for an infringement of my rules am I role playing?
You might be. I'm not.
I'm doing behavioural therapy.
We all enter the lifestyle for different reasons.
Mine are myriad.
As a trained drama teacher I understand the need for the dramatic in people's lives especially my own. So yes role play is a core need for me.
My sexual satisfaction is dependent on sadism and kink and control.
As a dominant woman I need to be in total control and able to discipline my partner if I am not allowed that control.
Three very good reasons to be looking for a partner in the 'lifestyle'.
I would have been looking when I was a teenager but I had no idea that some men had the opposite and therefore compatable needs to me. Noone told me about BDSM until I was nearly fifty. Which is perhaps the biggest regret of my life.





Leatherist -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 9:31:11 AM)

I dropped the role stuff years ago. I'm me, and I don't care to add performance pressure to an already hectic life. If it doesn't come naturally to you-just shit can it.




MistressOfGa -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 10:15:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavemaia

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It's all just roleplaying folks. Whether online or in real life, in the bedroom or full-time, closeted or lifestyle, old-guard, new guard, even with whiped cream and sprinkles, it's all just roleplaying a fantasy scenario.


i don't think any one can decide what is anything for another. If you believe and are convinced that what you do is role-playing then fine. But please, why is it necessary to assume that because this is what it is for you, that it is for everyone? As a slave my dependancy on my Master is VERY real - we don't switch around and taste different positions so to speak. He is my Master and i am His slave period. There is role play in scenes and play but our D/s is as real as any others style of relationship. i don't show up as His "slave" and then run back to some other environment that i control and keep safe and separate. The trust i have to place in Him is real - He supports us - He makes real life decisions that affect us both. This is not role play, this is our reality. So if you really want to take the analysis of what's real to the enth degree you'll only discover that reality is perception. Your perception, my perception, everyone's perception. Personally anyone's insistance that what is true for them is true for everyone, i find irritating and arrogant.

Mia,
I have always enjoyed your postings and this is no exception. You have put into words what I was sitting here thinking as I read this. Thank you for stating so clearly and eloquently what a few or more of us may also be thinking. Brava! I generally don't listen to people when they talk in absolutes, so this was a no-brainer for Me. WIITID has nothing to do with role playing. It is as real as it gets. Sometimes TOO real. But it is MY life and I choose to call it as I see it. It is ony roleplay if *I* say it is. Not because somebody on a message forum *told* Me it is.
<Hugs>




amayos -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 12:10:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Suleiman

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It's all just roleplaying folks. Whether online or in real life, in the bedroom or full-time, closeted or lifestyle, old-guard, new guard, even with whiped cream and sprinkles, it's all just roleplaying a fantasy scenario.

[...] My wife and I have several established roles...



And therein lies a perfect example of how a man's beliefs become his fate. How seriously we take slave and Keeper relationships goes far toward building our own self-fulfilling prophecies. Regarding Keeper and slave relations, if one means "role" as in an actor's part in a play, he or she is welcome to think of it as nothing beyond this. Is this as far as it goes for all others, however?

One can say "we are not the roles we play." One can likewise say "This is my reality of being—therefore I fulfill this role."

A role is alternately defined as the rights, obligations, and expected behavior patterns associated with a particular social status. Looked upon in this light, the word becomes a bane to the naysayers.




Suleiman -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 12:53:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey

. . .until somebody loses an eye?

*runs away*


Hey! Them four-siders is dangerous!!

Thanks for stirring up this old hornet's nest. Now that I've lost my beloved troll avatar, some folks think I'm joking when I say I'm belligerent, opinionated, and periodically shoot my mouth.. er.. fingers off.




CelticPrince -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 1:23:02 PM)

Wild,

a sound retort!

CP




Prinsexx -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 2:00:07 PM)

Dear Suleiman:
I had intended to reply to this yesterday but read your rant and then re-read trying to figure out why i do not agree with the basic theme.
I do not consider that I role play. I do not think I am anything other than who I am when I am in a 'scene'...which has unfortuneate complicity with the term 'role'.
I think the problem lies for me in that dramatic connection to the term role. A kind of Stanislavskian acting out of bdsm, oh so real, but nevertheless playing a part, a character distinct from other roles in life.
for me bdsm is sexual but then so is everything I do on a scale of things. What I mean by sexual energy is really potential energy. You know if I want pain, if I need that connection, well it is a great motivator to get the house/kids/cats/dogs.writing all sorted so I cab get in the car and go get fisted.
Without the promise of that all of me withers.
now bdsm behaviour well that's different. Ofcourse i don't do the behaviour all of the time. there is a beginning and end to the sexual behaviour but not the energy; that just ebbs and flows.
i am also far far too happy being me, Prinsexx, sex goddess social diva, divine slave (irony) to ever want to role play anyone else. And I have never ever been happy being asked to dress as a school girl, or nurse or really needed to reliy on props (just crops maybe ).
One other thing crosed my mind whikst it was bust denegrading role in its dramatic meaning. i am happy to use the term meaning duty. for example; it is my duty to be honest. It is my duty to disclose. It is my duty to serve Him. That I undertsand. Mere playacting makes no difference if it takes place or not except for a dissappointed audience (but the  i don;t do public play). But duty has a real knock on effect. It disappoints, dismays, upsets and denegrates the other's energy and power if it does not take place.
Thank you for the OP as it has inspired me to understand more about what role means to me.




Evility -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 3:48:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Suleiman
It's all just roleplaying folks. Whether online or in real life, in the bedroom or full-time, closeted or lifestyle, old-guard, new guard, even with whiped cream and sprinkles, it's all just roleplaying a fantasy scenario.

Fantasy is also a veneer. a pretty package surrounding something more. People keep getting caught up in a "right way" and a "wrong way", "true love" "true submission" "true dominance" - true bullflop.


It is indeed role playing. No argument there. That doesn't mean for a second that some folks do not do a better job at playing their particular role than others who also play a similar role. Doesn't matter whether it's housework or a weekend of submitting yourself to someone else.

"I don't do windows."

Think about it.





ownedgirlie -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 4:09:31 PM)

~ Fast Reply ~

At the age of 4 when I first sat down at the piano and played a song my Dad had been humming all day, it was clear to my parents that I had been born with an innate talent, and, if developed, I could be a pianist.  Not a role of piano player, but by outwardly expressing what was within me, I would simply be a pianist.

Philosophers, inventers, physicists....they are made up of a unique intellect and talent.  When Michio Kaku embarked on continuing Einstein's "String Theory," he was not playing a role of scientist, he ate, breathed and lived it.  He is a scientist, and anyone who has read his works or seen his lectures would sense he expresses himself from his very core.

Don Miguel Ruiz, author of "The Four Agreements", "The Mastery of Love," and other brilliant works, is not playing the part of a spiritual being, he is imparting his collection of life exeriences and wisdom and sharing who he is with the world.

We are who we are.  When we are not being true to ourselves and living our passion, we are playing a role.  When we are being true to ourselves, there is no role to be played; we simply are. 




ksub4u -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 4:37:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

::snip::  Stop caring what other people think about you and your role and start using your mind to determine what is right for you.

My two cents,
~Lashra



Excellent two cents, Lashra.  Self-awareness is hard work sometimes!




ThinkingKitten -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/3/2008 5:08:08 PM)

I think I understand the role-playing thing. Every action we take usually involves some kind of decision. Some decisions may be years in the making, others have to be made in a split second, but everything we do is (I think) based on how we wish others to perceive us, or from the standpoint of self preservation. If we take away the perceptions of others, or the instinct to keep living then we become very different personas - our "real" selves, if I dare to use the "R" word.
 
Even those who trumpet the "Fuck you pal, I was born this way, I am what I am what I am what I am" are choosing to say that in order to fulfil the role they have chosen of the thick-skinned, strong-willed, "dont give a fuck". It's still a calculated projection of themselves, a role. It's how they want others to perceive them. When there is no-one around to see us, who are we, what are we then? I don't mean the slave left alone in the house to do his or her set chores... doing them because they are a "slave".... they do them because they want their Master to continue to perceive them as a slave, or indeed because they take joy in validating someone else's role. That validation may bring the other one pleasure. No harm in that.
 
"All the world's (indeed) a stage, and we are merely players" (Bill Shakey)
"Performers and portrayers -  each another's audience outside the gilded cage" (Rush)







Amaros -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/4/2008 10:24:13 AM)

The confusion lies in thinking that "playing" is somehow more frivolous than "work", a "role" less commited than an "identity" - people take their identity seriously, a role is presumed to be more facile, more easily discarded.

So, a sub who says: "I am a slave" presumes a higher degree of authenticity than one who says, though perhaps not in so many words, "I play the role of slave when I'm not required to maintain some other role/identity for practical reasons".

The biggest difference here is in the implications of commitment: the "true" slave is presumably commited fully, the "playuh" is keeping their options open. In fact, this may well be the case - or not, but it is the perception.

One way of resolving this dichotomy is if you think not in terms of roles, but in terms of stategies: a power exchange relationship offers a number of advantaqges, reducing social stress in the household by defining clear divisions of labor, parameters of sexual interaction, etc., that otherwise might require constant negotiation and re-negotiation as situations change and power shifts in response to external social forces.

Chritianity, and in fact most of the world major religions are built arouund this very concept, just not as flexibly, i.e., masculine dominance is assumed, regardless of the peronality types involved, the roles that involve gender bending type behaviors are strictly marginalized in order to avoid undermining the gender roles, which agian some people are going to identify with, others are going to act out as roles, while perhaps observing another dynamic in private.

Again, these are technically strategies: if your wife is smarter than you are, it's probobly in your interests to be at least smart enough to listen to her - two heads are better than one, etc.

Again, a PE relationship can either hinder or facilitate this, and technically, the key dynamic here is communication: PE can hinder if it means that one partners input is simply disregarded, and facilitate if both partners have input, even if one makes the final decision - as opposed to simply butting heads till somebody get's their way.

In short, roles can be adaptive as camoflague, they can be learning experiences - when cats play with a ball of yarn they're learning strategies and honing reflexes that will aid them in hunting, when kittens are sparring they're learning offensive and defensive techniques, etc.

A more complex world, or more complex personalities may require more complex behaviors, and this has always been true - even when Christian political dimorphism was in full effect, women exerted influence in a lot of indirect ways.

A lot of this actually has to do with primate psychology, and would require a bit more detail, but I think much of the dispute can be resolved if realize that different strategies work for different people, there are numberless personality, social and ecomomic factors at play, and if theocracy has proven anything, it's that one-size-fits-all enforced roles don't really work, but just cause a lot of hate and discontent with an ultimately destabilizing effect on that culture.

Diversity baby, diversity - nature covers her bets.




stargazegurl -> RE: It's all just roleplaying (a rant) (1/4/2008 1:09:54 PM)

Fabulous post. Good rant and a good read! I think much of the controversy involved with the other replies here is mainly due to symantics. What one person feels the words "role-playing" means seems to vary greatly between those in support of your post and those who disagree.
Thanks! I enjoyed not only your post, but many of the responses to it! Rant on my friend! 




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