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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 8:26:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		With the overabundance of testerone on this board and the arguements about whats real, whats not, roleplaying, etc, I was reminded of the quote by Shakespeare, "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts...."

We are inherently dominant or sumbissive, yet we have both parts to who we are, our 'role' changes depending on a given situation. Lifestylers choose to persue our nature and to explore it deeper than vanilla do; SSC just keeps things level and shows that we ARE equals, no one is above or below another. What I have been seeing is that some around here want a doormat or an atomiton for a partner; considering that EVERYONE has limits and makes choices, even if that is to relinquish most choice, its still a choice, if its done in a safe and sane manner and that both/all parties remember, that its consenstual, then where are the arguments?!

If you wish to kidnap someone, keep them against their will and give them few choices, then thats illegal, its a felony if I remember law correctly. Sure, you can 'break' someone, yet, they still have choices; I'm curious, what does the debate boil down too?

Is it an argument over SSC or is it over the term? I thought it was the community as a whole that preaches, 'be safe, be sane and it MUST be consensual.' I'm not a newbie, but, as long as I can remember those things were drilled into my head, to NOT play with anyone who was not 'safe, sane' or who did not believe in 'consenual' acts.

We always have choices, even when you don't believe their is one, since not having a choice IS a choice.


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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 8:35:43 AM   
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Is it an argument over SSC or is it over the term? I thought it was the community as a whole that preaches, 'be safe, be sane and it MUST be consensual.' I'm not a newbie, but, as long as I can remember those things were drilled into my head, to NOT play with anyone who was not 'safe, sane' or who did not believe in 'consenual' acts.

It's not at all what the community as a whole preaches. 

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 8:47:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty
Is it an argument over SSC or is it over the term? I thought it was the community as a whole that preaches, 'be safe, be sane and it MUST be consensual.' I'm not a newbie, but, as long as I can remember those things were drilled into my head, to NOT play with anyone who was not 'safe, sane' or who did not believe in 'consenual' acts.

It's not at all what the community as a whole preaches. 


I would dare to say that most people in the communities that I am involved with don't put much stock in the whole "SSC" thing and generally don't apply it in their interactions. It has been in my experience that the people who seem to tout SSC and cling to it are those who are newer.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 9:04:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty
Is it an argument over SSC or is it over the term? I thought it was the community as a whole that preaches, 'be safe, be sane and it MUST be consensual.' I'm not a newbie, but, as long as I can remember those things were drilled into my head, to NOT play with anyone who was not 'safe, sane' or who did not believe in 'consenual' acts.

It's not at all what the community as a whole preaches. 

I would dare to say that most people in the communities that I am involved with don't put much stock in the whole "SSC" thing and generally don't apply it in their interactions. It has been in my experience that the people who seem to tout SSC and cling to it are those who are newer.


I'm no where near 'new.' So what I am hearing is that you do NOT believe in being safe, or being sane or acts being consensual. Sounds, very recklas and dangerious.

Why would anyone want a partner that was 'NOT safe, NOT sane' or engage in acts that were 'NOT consensual' to some extent? That doesn't sound like sound thinking to me, it sounds like someone who is asking to be abused and taken advantage of. A predators dream come true.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 9:08:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, as Boymeat put on his LJ awhile back "I'm not SSC, I'm not RACK, I'm pretty much WTF"

Just because you don't live by some credo doesn't mean you don't believe in informed consent.  And trust me, I could point out a few hundred chicks on these forums alone who preach all day about SSC and will also talk about how abused they were by their doms.

You'd have to ask all my play partners why they want me- I think it's my smile that helps the most.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 9:26:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty
Is it an argument over SSC or is it over the term? I thought it was the community as a whole that preaches, 'be safe, be sane and it MUST be consensual.' I'm not a newbie, but, as long as I can remember those things were drilled into my head, to NOT play with anyone who was not 'safe, sane' or who did not believe in 'consenual' acts.

It's not at all what the community as a whole preaches. 

I would dare to say that most people in the communities that I am involved with don't put much stock in the whole "SSC" thing and generally don't apply it in their interactions. It has been in my experience that the people who seem to tout SSC and cling to it are those who are newer.


I'm no where near 'new.' So what I am hearing is that you do NOT believe in being safe, or being sane or acts being consensual. Sounds, very recklas and dangerious.

Why would anyone want a partner that was 'NOT safe, NOT sane' or engage in acts that were 'NOT consensual' to some extent? That doesn't sound like sound thinking to me, it sounds like someone who is asking to be abused and taken advantage of. A predators dream come true.


Asking to be abused and taken advantage of? Obviously you have read very little of me on these boards.

I don't abide by or tout the SSC mantra because it's basically meaningless. All of the terms included are relative and subject to the opinion of the person using them. What is safe? What is sane? What is consentual? I would dare to say that my answer would be different from yours and probably different from LA's and several other people here on these forums.

I place much more value on the philosophy of R.A.C.K., although I must admit that I don't even follow that to the letter, but I believe it covers far more ground than SSC.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 11:20:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty
Is it an argument over SSC or is it over the term? I thought it was the community as a whole that preaches, 'be safe, be sane and it MUST be consensual.' I'm not a newbie, but, as long as I can remember those things were drilled into my head, to NOT play with anyone who was not 'safe, sane' or who did not believe in 'consenual' acts.

It's not at all what the community as a whole preaches. 

I would dare to say that most people in the communities that I am involved with don't put much stock in the whole "SSC" thing and generally don't apply it in their interactions. It has been in my experience that the people who seem to tout SSC and cling to it are those who are newer.


I'm no where near 'new.' So what I am hearing is that you do NOT believe in being safe, or being sane or acts being consensual. Sounds, very recklas and dangerious.

Why would anyone want a partner that was 'NOT safe, NOT sane' or engage in acts that were 'NOT consensual' to some extent? That doesn't sound like sound thinking to me, it sounds like someone who is asking to be abused and taken advantage of. A predators dream come true.


Asking to be abused and taken advantage of? Obviously you have read very little of me on these boards.

I don't abide by or tout the SSC mantra because it's basically meaningless. All of the terms included are relative and subject to the opinion of the person using them. What is safe? What is sane? What is consentual? I would dare to say that my answer would be different from yours and probably different from LA's and several other people here on these forums.

I place much more value on the philosophy of R.A.C.K., although I must admit that I don't even follow that to the letter, but I believe it covers far more ground than SSC.

I think it also doesn't help that the whole SSC as it is used now, isn't how it was meant to be interpreted.  It's been fucked up and messed around and now just looks like a stupid statement.
If I hear someone using SSC as a mantra - they just arent the kind of person I want to get to know.
 
All these acronyms just indicate laziness to me.  I would rather communicate face to face and get to know someone, not just a mantra that basically means nothing, because people don't understand it's implications.
 
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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 11:30:39 AM   
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All these acronyms just indicate laziness to me.  I would rather communicate face to face and get to know someone, not just a mantra that basically means nothing, because people don't understand it's implications.
 
dark, I agree. I think the reason I like to hear people talk of RACK more often is because it at least implies that you have taken the initiative to educate yourself as to what the risks of the particular activity that you are consenting to engage in are, and by doing so you are saying that you bear the responsibility to accept those risks should they occur. Unfortunately though, as you said, it has become little more than a mantra that is espoused and isn't a good indicator that someone actually has an understanding of it's meaning.


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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 1:29:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
I would dare to say that most people in the communities that I am involved with don't put much stock in the whole "SSC" thing and generally don't apply it in their interactions. It has been in my experience that the people who seem to tout SSC and cling to it are those who are newer.


I was doing SSC long before I even heard of it.  To me it's simply common sense.  Look I started doing BDSM play activities when I was 13 years old with one of my best friends "The Girl Next Door".  There was trust and respect and caring.  When you think about SSC, it's based on common sense.   Everybody in the real time I've known over the years followed a SSC code of some form or another.

People that wish to throw this common sense out the window, for what exactly? The thrill of life threatening play? The make things non-consensual?   SSC in my book is really common sense.

Hell, I was clinging to SSC before I heard about it.   How the Hell does this have to do with anybody being newer or not to BDSM.   Give me a break?  Are you telling me experienced BDSM lifstylers toss common sense out the window?  Pfffftt.. Sorry I don't buy into this one.  Ha Ha Ha.....      

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 1:57:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's nothing to buy into.  Erin's experience is that most people in the scene who cling to SSC as a mantra and use it in that form are majority novices to the scene.

And that's exactly my experience as well.

Someone else may experience something completely opposite.

Mostly what I see is that people grab onto SSC (and safewords, and safe calls) as some magic talisman of truth and justice in the scene to keep the Big Bad away.

Over the course of a few years, they lose their paranoia and fear, they get some grounding and they THINK about what they are really doing.  In the process, they realize they no longer need these totems, and simply can do what you say- use the common sense they always had.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 2:03:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty
Is it an argument over SSC or is it over the term? I thought it was the community as a whole that preaches, 'be safe, be sane and it MUST be consensual.' I'm not a newbie, but, as long as I can remember those things were drilled into my head, to NOT play with anyone who was not 'safe, sane' or who did not believe in 'consenual' acts.

It's not at all what the community as a whole preaches. 

I would dare to say that most people in the communities that I am involved with don't put much stock in the whole "SSC" thing and generally don't apply it in their interactions. It has been in my experience that the people who seem to tout SSC and cling to it are those who are newer.


I'm no where near 'new.' So what I am hearing is that you do NOT believe in being safe, or being sane or acts being consensual. Sounds, very recklas and dangerious.

Why would anyone want a partner that was 'NOT safe, NOT sane' or engage in acts that were 'NOT consensual' to some extent? That doesn't sound like sound thinking to me, it sounds like someone who is asking to be abused and taken advantage of. A predators dream come true.


I think it would be wise for you to start running all of your posts by your "Protector" before you just simply throw them up here....I would think that he would say that you are not making the wisest of decisions.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 2:23:35 PM   
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There's nothing to buy into.  Erin's experience is that most people in the scene who cling to SSC as a mantra and use it in that form are majority novices to the scene.

And that's exactly my experience as well.

Someone else may experience something completely opposite.

Mostly what I see is that people grab onto SSC (and safewords, and safe calls) as some magic talisman of truth and justice in the scene to keep the Big Bad away.

Over the course of a few years, they lose their paranoia and fear, they get some grounding and they THINK about what they are really doing.  In the process, they realize they no longer need these totems, and simply can do what you say- use the common sense they always had.


Thats my acronym.

CS

Common Sense.

I used to cling to the acronyms like a frigthened lamb until about my third month when I had an appifiny.

They are acronyms and mantras that simply teach basic common sense.

I was just too overblown with the idea of killing someone with my paddle that I adhered to the acronyms like a Bible.



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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 2:24:55 PM   
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Why would anyone want a partner that was 'NOT safe, NOT sane' or engage in acts that were 'NOT consensual' to some extent? That doesn't sound like sound thinking to me, it sounds like someone who is asking to be abused and taken advantage of. A predators dream come true.



I've had a partner who was not sane (by my standard- frequently unable to make rational decisions based on the current situation), was therefore not safe (frequently given to violent rages, bouts of self-injury, and thoughts, threats and sometimes attempts at suicide)- and by definition not always capable of meaningful consent (not being sane). These were not features that I was attracted to, but I wanted her as a partner because, among other things, I was able to see more to her than this, including a frightened and damaged person struggling toward healing. 

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 2:27:12 PM   
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I would dare to say that most people in the communities that I am involved with don't put much stock in the whole "SSC" thing and generally don't apply it in their interactions. It has been in my experience that the people who seem to tout SSC and cling to it are those who are newer.


I was doing SSC long before I even heard of it.  To me it's simply common sense.  Look I started doing BDSM play activities when I was 13 years old with one of my best friends "The Girl Next Door".  There was trust and respect and caring.  When you think about SSC, it's based on common sense.   Everybody in the real time I've known over the years followed a SSC code of some form or another.

People that wish to throw this common sense out the window, for what exactly? The thrill of life threatening play? The make things non-consensual?   SSC in my book is really common sense.

Hell, I was clinging to SSC before I heard about it.   How the Hell does this have to do with anybody being newer or not to BDSM.   Give me a break?  Are you telling me experienced BDSM lifstylers toss common sense out the window?  Pfffftt.. Sorry I don't buy into this one.  Ha Ha Ha.....      


I'm not sure where exactly that you got the idea that I was suggesting that I or anyone else should not use common sense. That is far, far from the message I was trying to convey and actually, if you read my posts on these boards I am the poster who is generally screaming "use common sense" from the rooftops. However, I do not think that SSC is even close to being synonymous with common sense....and I explained my reasoning in detail. To me, the SSC mantra is meaningless because there isn't anything "common" about it. What it means to one person can be the polar opposite of what it means to the next. I did not suggest to anyone not to use common sense...or support non-consent...or life threatening play. I did reference the principles of R.A.C.K. at least three times today and explained why if I had to choose only one line of thought it would be R.A.C.K. because it at least implies that people have used enough "common sense" to educate themselves as to what risks are involved and assumed the responsibility of the possibility of those risks. Even the principles of R.A.C.K. though have some serious flaws and become meaningless if they are being tossed around by those who don't understand them or actively practice them.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/6/2007 2:33:23 PM   
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There's nothing to buy into.  Erin's experience is that most people in the scene who cling to SSC as a mantra and use it in that form are majority novices to the scene.

And that's exactly my experience as well.

Someone else may experience something completely opposite.

Mostly what I see is that people grab onto SSC (and safewords, and safe calls) as some magic talisman of truth and justice in the scene to keep the Big Bad away.

Over the course of a few years, they lose their paranoia and fear, they get some grounding and they THINK about what they are really doing.  In the process, they realize they no longer need these totems, and simply can do what you say- use the common sense they always had.


Thank you, as usual...you're dead nuts on.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/7/2007 8:14:49 AM   
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I'm not sure where exactly that you got the idea that I was suggesting that I or anyone else should not use common sense. That is far, far from the message I was trying to convey and actually, if you read my posts on these boards I am the poster who is generally screaming "use common sense" from the rooftops. However, I do not think that SSC is even close to being synonymous with common sense....and I explained my reasoning in detail. To me, the SSC mantra is meaningless because there isn't anything "common" about it. What it means to one person can be the polar opposite of what it means to the next. I did not suggest to anyone not to use common sense...or support non-consent...or life threatening play. I did reference the principles of R.A.C.K. at least three times today and explained why if I had to choose only one line of thought it would be R.A.C.K. because it at least implies that people have used enough "common sense" to educate themselves as to what risks are involved and assumed the responsibility of the possibility of those risks. Even the principles of R.A.C.K. though have some serious flaws and become meaningless if they are being tossed around by those who don't understand them or actively practice them.

Mistoferin, please excuse me for my rant.  

I tend indentify with eveything under SSC because this as what I was exposed to in the 80's... RACK was simply not around that I'm aware of.  My point is that it's better to have SSC or RACK verses nothing at all.  These are just simple Guidelines to follow as a rule of thumb.  Enough to inspire us humans to stop and think about what we are doing.  It's true neither SSC nor RACK are perfect. 

I believe some people indentify with RACK because it's geared towards the more extreme play compared to SSC, but this is just my own opinion.

Part of being Safe and Sane in my perspective has always been being Risk Aware. To tell you the truth I thought the K in R.A.C.K. was really pointless and laughable.  

I'm trying to express some of the reasons why I peronally indentify with SSC compared to RACK.   

When I first encountered RACK I actually viewed it as being more less the same as SSC.  However, SSC itself does not fully express common sense, you are right.  I admit it, RACK is less ambiguous compared to SSC.

I've always tried to apply common sense to SSC, and I tend to view people not taking time to become aware of risks and what they are doing as being not Sane. 

Again my point to the rant, is that it's better to have SSC or RACK vs. not having any guidelines at all to follow.  Regardless of how simple these guidelines are, they stress an important message we can't afford to loose in the BDSM community as a whole.  But this is just my opinion, my view, my thoughts, my perspective.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/7/2007 10:37:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I still like SSC -- in fact I find RACK to be a bit like blowing one's horn "hey, I'm kinky!".

I think SSC is a pretty good way for me to live my life, mundane, sex, teaching, whatever. I find it to be a good thing to be aware of my motivations and limitation, to be aware of others, and to not force myself on others. Been on the other side of that, hated it a lot, no desire to spread it around thank you very much. SSC just fits with how I view my world and my life, it fits with how I want to live my life.

But I'm not stupid. I try to be fully aware of reality and possibilities of people and the world we live in. SSC isn't an excuse to not talk or not take responsibility. I would consider someone who believed that to frankly be a fool and not someone I or anyone under my authority would play with or probably even be friends with.

As for common sense, I have found it to be neither common nor sensible on a very consistant level.

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/17/2007 3:14:56 PM   
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I would like to articulate my case more slowly, then, daddysprop247.

Your case is one I would like to speak of, in specific, if this is alright with you?  (If not, you may feel free to ignore the rest of this, and/or request it deleted, as its your place to decide whether or not your personal life may be involved in conversation.)

Your alias seems to imply you have a Daddy.  This.. strikes me as awfully fimilar to the father role, at least in some senitment, that children might have; elsewise, why would your titles refer to it?

If he takes a role of father- and you of daughter- is this not a roleplay?  This isn't to say you're scripted.. but.. he's in a fatherly role, as you are in a daughter's role.. correct?

If there's a divance of view on this, I'd appreciate it pointed out, though it seems rather straightforward to me that roles influence, at very least, your relationship?


You are using one definition of the word "role" - the one that would align with "roleplay" - and ignoring the others.

role 



1.
a part or character played by an actor or actress.



2.
proper or customary function: the teacher's role in society.



3.
Sociology. the rights, obligations, and expected behavior patterns associated with a particular social status.

Your use is aligning only with the first.  The use of "role" that is more appropriate to the archetypal roles that we inhabit in life - those of us who have d/s "roles" but don't do d/s "roleplay" - is either the second or the third.


With the word "roleplay":


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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/17/2007 3:17:01 PM   
ImpGrrl


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Are you telling us that as a teenager, you were legally adopted by a man who later became involved with you in a relationship that would, by law, be illegal (incest)? Are you also telling us you are a ward of court and that this man is looking after you on the State's behalf?


This thread isn't about her relationship, and she's obviously happy in her situation...

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RE: Dominance and submission? - 6/17/2007 3:21:05 PM   
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< Message edited by angelic -- 6/17/2007 3:28:44 PM >

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