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mistoferin -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 7:14:12 AM)

A lot of people are talking about the overcrowding situation. I don't see how that applies at all to this case. She was being housed in a special needs unit of the jail, which wasn't even at capacity. Also, Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca's Early Release Policy states that inmates must serve a minimum of 25 % of their sentences before being considered eligible for release.




domiguy -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 7:28:31 AM)

I hope she hangs herself.   Fuck Paris Hilton. She is a symbol of what is wrong in this Country today




MstrDouglas -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 7:32:28 AM)

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d06/vc14601_2.htm 
Check for yourselves, according to the CA law, she got a mid to low high end sentence.  I looked it up to verify it.  It was her second offence while on probation......hence the jail time.  Also since she was being housed in a "special VIP section" of the jail, there was no chance of "over crowding" effecting her, since that part of the jail isnt used for "common prisoners".  Time to stop the BS, and start treating celebs just like everyone else.  She could have gotten a year behind bars, that would have been close to state prison instead of county jail. 
Another thing to think of, it is the duty of the sherriff to enforce the laws and to carry out the courts orders, not change them and do what he wants. 




juliaoceania -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 7:41:21 AM)

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Another thing to think of, it is the duty of the sherriff to enforce the laws and to carry out the courts orders, not change them and do what he wants. 


That is not what the Fed courts have decided. The feds have decided that he can release people




mistoferin -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 7:46:43 AM)

julia, yes he can release people due to overcrowding...after they have served the minimum 25%. This was not an overcrowding situation. Also, what he can't do is change the sentence, and that is exactly what he did. He decided that she could do home monitored detention after the judge specifically said that she could not. In order for him to do that legally he was required to petition the court and cite valid reasons for his request.




CrimsonMoan -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 7:57:07 AM)

which he didn't do. Dude is in a shitload of hot water and rightly so. I am sorry but I don't feel sorry for paris one bit. Her time in lock may teach her something and hopefully it will teach her pals something as well. YOU'RE NOT ABOVE THE LAW ANYMORE




TexasMaam -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 8:01:21 AM)

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Reality check:

Sheriffs have a public duty, and therefore the authority, to release people  for medical reasons.  They do it every single day to mitigate costs to their county.

When a prisoner is in custody, their insurance doesn't pay their medical costs, it becomes the burden and the liability of the county. 

The county and state subsidies pay for their doctors, their medications, their hospitalization if needed. 

And before anyone gets all up in arms over that fact, remember that the county budget is paid for by: you guessed it: YOUR TAX DOLLAR!  I, for one, don't want to be paying out of MY pocket to pay for doctors, psychiatrists and medication and monitoring for Paris Hilton's little hissy fit, do you? 

Keeping an inmate who is mentally unstable or who is so sick they require long term hospitalization will run the county into hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of expenses, not to mention a huge lawsuit for liability if anything happens to that prisoner while in custody.

Sheriffs cut loose inmates every day that require extensive medical supervision and treatment.  If they can't control their budget their county commissioners will see to it that the Sheriff isn't re-elected!

I remember a local case where a woman was burned to death in her trailer by arson, another elderly man was shot to death at his home and a neighbor was poisoned - all killed by one elderly man who was dying of cancer.  He didn't have anything to lose, decided to settle some old scores before he left this earth, got even with old enemies and when he was convicted of murder he was confined to his home to die.  He didn't spend more than three nights in jail.  The county and the state weren't about to assume responsibility for his exhorbitant cancer treatment and life support bills.

Had I been the Sheriff watching Paris be on the verge of a complete nervous breakdown I'd have probably sent her home to take her meds and remain under house arrest, too.  The judge can remand whatever he wants to remand, he's going to have egg on his face when the bill for Paris' care while in custody hits the newspapers!  The Sheriff has positioned himself not to be the scapegoat for that expense, and rightly so.

I think we all know that Paris is having the first absolute two year old 'no, you can't do that, you have to do this' tantrum of her life.  That's a pretty tough thing to learn at her age, most of us learn it before age three.

If her mother, father, family, and attorneys had any concern for her at all, instead of wanting nothing more than to control her inheritance, they'd see to it that she learn some responsibility for herself from this crisis, rather than keep trying to fix everything for her.

I have no doubt that her attorneys spent many an hour at the Sheriff's dept talking over a medical release to get it accomplished.  Money might very well have exchanged hands under the table.  That doesn't mean it's unusual.  Happens every day.

In the long run Paris will still have to learn to cope with the very first hard, immovable, untractable "NO" she's ever been given in her life. 

Whether she does that at home or behind bars really doesn't matter to me.  It's her walk, I hope she can manage to develop as a person through this fiasco.

TM




Nosathro -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 9:00:16 AM)

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong....The Sheriff does NOT have the authority to release inmates at will.  Why do you think the Judge had her returned.  The Sheriff can release an inmate with the approval of the Judge who ordered the sentence or by order of release by a court order.  If Pairs was so ill she could not be in jail why was she sent home and not to a hospital.  Which by the way she is at the County General Prison Unit now being examed for medical and psychology conditions.  Oh the Los Angeles County Health Department has gone on record as stating they have no history of anyone being released for LA County Jails for medical reasons such as a rash which was what was said to have.  And if she was having a nervous break down there is a Mental Health Unit the Sheriff has at the County General Hospital. If she was that bad, why did not the Doctor who saw her have her 5150.  The Judge in this case also remarked that no documents on her medical or mental condition has ever been sent to him and all through Friday he did not get anything which he continued to remark about. 
 
This woman, was placed on Probation, unsupervised, got her license suspended, was to attend classes on driving and substance abuse, which she has not done.  In a period of one year, she was arrested again twice for DUI.  She has publicily defended her "Party Girl" lifestyle.  She like every other person driving while under the influence of a substance that impairs their ability of safely operate a vehicle is an accident looking for a place to happen.  It is by sheer luck in her case that has not yet, and some person other than her died.  At least with her in jail she is not driving DUI again, which make it a little more safer for the rest of us who drive for the time being.  That along is reason and justification for her to be in jail.




selfbnd411 -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 9:12:51 AM)

At any rate, the authority for releasing inmates early for overcrowding is 20 years old.  I think Rocky Delgadillo should file a test case to have this authority overturned.  It's a clear and dangerous violation of the separation of powers.  We have one judicial branch for trial and sentencing (the courts) and one executive branch for sentences to be carried out (the Sheriff).

It's disturbing that some people can't think about this rationally.  One of the most fundamental aspects of our system of government is the separation of powers.  We can't have any one power attempting to usurp authority from any other power or it upsets this balance and we begin falling down the slope towards tyranny.  Confidence in the law is based on the concepts of equal protection and due process, and every case in which those concepts are violated is a slap in the face of every law-abiding American.




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 10:12:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressBriarose

What is this teaching anyone most of all the children of the world?


Don't know about American children, but if ours had read this thread, they'd learn that prisons don't work, and that people shouldn't be put in there. Then we'd have to explain that not all prisons are designed to break people down and create violent career criminals. Which could take a few minutes, since they are too young to understand recidivism figures. [:D]




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 10:19:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Martha Stewart served some time in prison. [...] I think the sentence Paris got was a bit harsh and she got a raw deal. [...] In my area at least, I hear all the time of judges not throwing people in jail for probation violations. They could...but they don't. And this is because overcrowding is too big of a problem. Build more jails? [...] So suddenly you have more jail space. Do you think it will be unused? Nope. [...] And when you balloon one part of the criminal justice system....it creates a domino effect. You have to balloon everything else. And that is why jails are not built very often. And it is why they are overcrowded.


I think you may just have supplied the perfect argument to support my position that the US jail system is designed to create violent career criminals. If building more jails will cause more people to be in jail, the cause/effect relation should be pretty clear, unless you're willing to assume that the bulk of the population are criminals, and I don't hold Americans (the citizens; no comment about the gov't) in that low regard. I believe they are decent people.

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This is why I think those low-level, non-violent, victimless crimes should not carry a jail sentence.


My argument would be that victimless crimes should not carry a jail sentence, period. Either you've done something to someone, or there's no need for society to intervene. As for low-level and/or non-violent, I'd say the argument is more about people being humans that deserve better, even if they've done something illegal, and that it isn't the solution anyway, as it just hardens them, aggravating the problem.




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 10:29:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

People do love to hate Hilton, and I suspect it's partly because she's a woman [...] Nobody would DARE wish openly for a man to be abused, beaten, and raped in jail, but that's what people are saying about her.


And the really, really funny thing about that, is that, counting the conversations I've had about this in the offline world, women are the ones most keen to see her abused, beaten and raped. That speaks volumes.

I'm not sure what it speaks volumes about, though... Women? Equal rights? Feminism? The state of these? Something else?

I mean, in any other context, women are usually the most vocal about rape always being as bad as it gets, the most horrible thing anyone can do, and the greatest expression of hatred of women, lack of respect for women, and cruelty.




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 10:38:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Paris Hilton is not in the hot water she is in because of a DUI. She is in the hot water she is in because she chose to spit in the face of the court system [...] THAT is what has gotten her into hot water.


Let's strip it down to that. Because that's what it's really about. Losing face. People can't stand that.

And I think that's a darned poor excuse for discarding equal justice.

The DUI, however, is a different matter. I've lost people to DUIs in the past, and I've seen people try to get behind the steering wheel while inebriated. I say "try" because I've stopped them, by calling the cops if neccessary, regardless of their relation to me, unless them driving that car was a matter of life and death (and thus as serious as the risk involved).

Harsher penalties for DUI in general, not specific to this case, would make a lot of sense to me: it's a greater deterrent; taking a calculated risk with the potential punishments for irresponsible drivers is an ingrained habit with such drivers, and (like other habits) it remains in effect when drunk.




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 10:43:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Paris is so oblivious to normal life.  I truly believe she has no clue.  She appears raised in a vacuum and no coping skills.  Prison would do her good.


I don't see how you get from A to B here.

Children are so oblivious to adult life. I truly believe they have no clue. They have no coping skills.

But putting them in jail?

I don't think that will do anyone that fits the description of "oblivious, no clue, and no coping skills" any good.




Sinergy -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 10:53:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Fuck Paris Hilton.



No thanks.  I dont sleep with anything I have to soak in clorox first.

"She is like the village bicycle, everybody gets a ride." 
Mike Myers, Austin Powers The Spy Who Shagged Me."

Sinergy




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 10:54:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subfever

IMO... it would be difficult for any reasonable person to argue your point.

I think what we're seeing here is people wanting "justice" in this particular case, primarily because they don't like her.


~nod~

In fact, the same emotions are driving "justice" in general: we want to see people pay, we want them to hurt and suffer, we want the law to set things "right". In short, the same emotions that drive people to far worse crimes in the first place. But there is no "right" in that; two wrongs don't make a right, or we need to stop telling that lie to kids.

The prison system could stand to learn a thing or two by analogy from nonviolent resistance.




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 11:00:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Masternslave07

Waah! Poor Paris. She will turn this into her being a victim and will learn nothing from it. Luckily for her she has enough money to learn nothing and go on with her life.


Lucky for her.

Crap luck for us.

If she burns all that money on drugs, that's a lot of extra money for the drug cartels to buy off law enforcement with, and to buy guns with, and generally mess things up for the rest of us with. She's probably done drugs occasionally in the past, as most who can afford to sustain the habit do, but "losing it" can be a quick way to end up doing them all the time, rather than actually going on with her "life".




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 11:07:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

This brings us back to two lashes with a Singapore cane......


Which brings to mind a novel recently published over here by one of the leading female judges... It's an erotic novel, of course, but she explores the idea of introducing corporeal punishment as a voluntary alternative to incarceration. Might actually have some viability in certain cases.

In the case of Paris' offenses, I'm pretty sure she'd take a few lashes of a regular whip or cane over the jail time. And it would be more likely to do her good, along with being more likely to be something she'd be able to cope with and get over (yes, that's intrinsic to jail; if they're not supposed to be done with it when their time is served, why should one let them out in the first place?).

And, of course, it would be a whole lot more entertaining, especially televised.

Paris doesn't fit my definition of hot, in any way, but seeing her whipped would scratch an itch.

One I didn't get from her.




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 11:14:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

It also proves that Godwin's Law is false.


Not conclusively.

Besides, you shouldn't use Godwin's Law without Aswad's corrolary:  "This principle involves an appeal to infamy, as a generalization of the reductio ad hitlerum fallacy."

[:D]




Aswad -> RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail (6/9/2007 11:24:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TexasMaam

They do it every single day to mitigate costs to their county. When a prisoner is in custody, their insurance doesn't pay their medical costs, it becomes the burden and the liability of the county.   The county and state subsidies pay for their doctors, their medications, their hospitalization if needed.


Yeah. The most commonly used example of this is that if you get fatally ill, like if you need a heart transplant or whatever, then you're dumped onto the street without medical coverage, with no employability, and no public health care system in place. Effectively, whoever does it is choosing to promote the sentence to an execution.

Saves money, though. Equal "justice" in that regard would be to shoot anyone given jail time, of course.

According to one poster here, she was serving in a special facility, but if she had been serving in a regular jail, I figure there's a fair chance people might be concerned that she could end up passing on an STD epidemic of biblical proportions if kept in there for long... that's the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard someone claim a rash was the reason.

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