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ORIGINAL: farmbound1

okay, i'll be the one to bring up intersex.  i was born an xy male (yes DNA is male) but my fetal body lacked androgen receptors so that when it came time for the "y" in my chromosomes to activate, my body could not respond and so it developed fetally as female, but not completely.  Thus I was born with a "hole" and a testes hidden in my body cavity where the ovaries should be. My parents thought I was a girl and raised me as a girl. I never felt like a girl but I accepted it because I wasn't a contrary child. When puberty hit, everyone, including me, was in shock because I did not go through a female puberty, I went through a male puberty, and thus is was discovered that I was truly male - xy- through tests. Now I live as male. I have not had genital surgery because of cost, surgical complications, and the probability of not great looking or functioning results.  I am comfortable with who I am and I live completely as male in mind and body, yet there are some people who would say, because I lack a full size functioning penis, that I am not male.  That's the narrow-minded, high-handed kind of prejudice that people like me and Lady Ellen and countless others have to deal with on a daily basis.  Transsexual, transgendered, or intersex, we are human beings and just want to be seen as who we really are.

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou


So, in your case I'd view you as a dude, that had a birth defect.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I was expecting that sort of reaction. You have to read me carefully: I make no judgement about people's suffering. I think that the whole idea of 'reassignment' comes from our own society's twisted idea of what constitutes gender and genders' roles. It's my opinion that transsgender issues stem from social and sexual conditionning.

Never would I dare to interfere with people's choices. Ultimately it's their bodies.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou


So, in your case I'd view you as a dude, that had a birth defect.

I realise this was in reply to Farmbound, but your post and his are really quite interesting taken together with the research that seems to be indicating that transsexuality is also a medical condition brought about by the inhibition of masculinisation of the brain due to similar factors that are at play in the kind of intersex condition referred to by Farmbound. Indeed, the way it seems, transsexuality may turn out to be a form of intersexuality that varies from actual intersex only in degree.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

You might be attractive with a big dick twix your legs....Preferably mine.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Well, there are definitely different brain structures in male and female. And male and female use their brains in different ways too. Studies of post mortem male to female TS brains show close similarity to natural female brains.

But I'm not sure that's really relevant that much to the subject in hand. No one is going to have a post mortem brain examination of a potential TS partner to determine whether theyre acceptable as a female, after all.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Yes, and that's your prerogative - nobody asked you to go to bed with anyone. Are you feeling threatened, or perhaps strangely attracted by the idea?

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou


So, in your case I'd view you as a dude, that had a birth defect.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Woah, I didn't mean to piss you off, and it certainly wasn't meant in a conflictual way, but rather, in good humour.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Please dont think you need to defend yourself NeedTo UseYou - I appreciate your honesty. When this subject comes up, we get so many posts claiming its not a problem, but as most of us experience, it patently is a problem.

When my ex and I split, it was upsetting, I found it difficult to deal with. But looking at it from the other way around, would I have stayed with her, if she had announced her need to transition to male? I honestly dont think I would have - and thats even had I transitioned to female at the same time. I just wouldnt have been able to deal with it and she would not be the same person anymore.

And then I come to the crux of all this, which is, that in my opinion and experience, social acceptance when one is TS relies heavily on one's ability to pass successfully as the target sex. If one doesnt look right, then one's chances of being accepted by others, including family, is very low. One's degree of acceptance as female in terms of adult relationships (including bdsm, Mod 11!) surely then also relies on this factor - although it yet remains that however well one passes, one's chances are low. If this were not so, then it would not be the case that there are so many TS people who live alone or who partner with others in the same position. It is a very lucky TS person who manages to partner outside of these parameters, and a very unusual and special person who partners with them.

But the problem with this is, that an ability to pass or not is no measure of the level of distress a TS person feels and the degree of need to transition that they have. Equally such a measure has no relation to the sort of person they are - which gives the lie to the whole "personality is important, not looks" guff that we often read here when it comes to "fat threads" and the like.

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