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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 11:50:56 AM   
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I think people in general have poor interpersonal skills and find it difficult to introduce themselves.  I rarely write letters of introductions favoring instead to comment on something they wrote or something about their profile. 

If you think about it, there's a reason you're interested in someone and that should be articulated.  Letters of intro seem too generic.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 11:55:43 AM   
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It's not a job interview.


It's a blow job interview!


My thoughts exactly Katy lol

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 12:01:30 PM   
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As others have said, stating that an initial contact should be in the form of an application or the whole "why I am worthy" type of letter seems like a whole lot of posturing and immediately tells me that this is someone who has far too much ego for me to even want to be bothered with. 

Perhaps for those who are not seeking a relationship with their partner, this makes some degree of sense. 

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 12:02:39 PM   
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Think of it like a resume. List experience/education (relationships and community activity), what you have to offer (skills) and what you expect (salary and benefits). Don't make it too long or it'll get round filed. Don't fluff it. Do be yourself. Do include a nice, normal picture if you don't have one on your profile.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 12:25:25 PM   
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(this is me below that was quoted)
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ORIGINAL: MissyRane
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First if a person after talking to me and getting my ok to filing out an application can't follow my instructions on how to do that, that's pretty much told me they may be a pain to train. Sorry, got enough pains in my life don't need to be adding more.

Yes..but you do start the communication without telling them to fill out an application? ..since you say "a person gets your ok to filling out an application" That's more understandable..but what brings the real question mark up in me is when people don't want the "hi" first - they only want to jump straight to the "introduction letter"



I developed the application process because I discovered the people are very good at lying about how seriously they take the idea of Ds and service and consensual slavery. This isn't somethind I do to spice up my vanilla life, I take it seriously and with all the other jobs I have in my life plus being poly I only want folks who take it as seriously as me. After half a decade of trying it the "other casual way" I found this way works best for me and my household.

So I talk with a person for a few weeks. When I think we have enough in common, and they agree, we move to make things more formal. That is when an application is required by me. Not only do I feel it takes it to a level that I want in terms of seriouseness but I can also then check and see if that information meshes with what I've been told online and on the phone.

If that seems good we move to a first face-to-face meeting. At no time do either of us have a obligation to do more than the next agreed to step. That ends if a training contract is signed, not one moment before.

Does it works? It works very well for me and has for a decade now. That's how I acquired Fox and this is how I have had the wonderful opportunity to explore Ds relationships with almost two dozen other amazing people. Most of them do not turn out to be good matches for my household on the 24/7 level we want. Almost all of them turn out to be incredible people who remain very active in their local communities and use the experience to help them find good relationships in the future.

I feel proud about how I conduct my search and my process. When folks make claims it's for wackers or fantasy-players, I just shrug and ignore then (or I try to).

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 12:29:55 PM   
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Bloody attempting to cut and paste failed -- damned computers.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 12:42:55 PM   
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TammyJo,
Your explaination and use of an application is the only one that makes really sense to me.  Where you go through the initial process of getting to know them.  Interview first, then hit them up with an application.   Hell, call it a survey or simply a list of things your want to know.  I tend to see many people demanding applications sooner in the process compared to you.   Useful to double check if information meshes.

I'm rather at odds with some things online, the whole process online Frankly seems rather backwards compared to meeting and getting to know somebody in the real time.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 12:48:36 PM   
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OK again as one who does use the petition process,
The process forces both parties to slow down and think.
If it did nothing else it would be worth it for that purpose alone eliminating some of the frenzy.

The petition IS PART of the communication and getting to know each other part, it does not eliminate the rest of it it compliments and expands it. Answers to such petition questions as
  1. Of the vast population of leather folk, why are you petitioning to be My slave?
  2. What do you seek in a Master/slave relationship?
  3. Describe your family growing up and now. How many siblings are there? What are their names and where do they live? Are your parents still alive? Where do they live and how are they cared for?
  4. Outside of work and sexual interests, what leisure activities do you enjoy (movies, sports, games, etc.)?
  5. Do you enjoy any domestic activities in particular (cooking, gardening, laundry, etc.)?
  6. Do you have any particular creative talents?
  7. What do you bring to My family?
  8. List the serious relationships you have been in and explain why they ended. Include what your part in each breakup was.

These are 8 of the questions in my petition format

1. Tells me if they are seeing me accurately or if they might just be infatuated with the image they see of me.
2. Tells me if they see a M/s reationship in a similar fashion to the way I see it, as well as if they are realistic in their expectations.
3. Tells me something about how they relate with people in a family dynamic (important since they would be joining a family not just a relationship with me. It also tells me if I might be obligating myself to caring for their parents at some point or if their care later in life has been taken care of for the most part.
4. How many times have we all sat here and talked about how we never see the outside of BDSM Interests addressed.
5. Good lord if I have to set the overall organization of the house tasks it might be usefull to know if the other person loves or hates laundry duties. If they love it then likely they will get it here because nobody else here does, LOL.
Actually it is in seriousness something I take nto account when figuring out who does what. enjoyment of the activity usually means the job is done better and without friction.
6. Creative talents by god I enjoy arts of various types and if they have a creative artistic need/ calling/whatever then I might need to know if it is a creative tallent I can support in many different ways (space, money, time, travel, etc...)
7. What else that I didn't address in the other questions might prove usefull for me to know? (also tells me how they view their own self worth, can be kinda important to know if they can articulate their value.)
8. Tells me if they are honest when looking at their own part in problems that come up in a relationship. It also helps keep me from accidently tripping emotional triggers that other people before me found or created.

There are something like 70 questions I put into the petition process They range from one or two word answers to Essays.
Anytime a petitioner asks "Why do you need to know this in #46 I am more than happy to explain why I want the information, what purpose it serves in my side of the evaluation of if we are a good fit.

BTW there are no questions in my petition that I won't answer myself when the petition is gone over.
Yes that's right I read the answers and discuss the answers with them and relate some of my own side of the questions as we go through it.

Assigning the petition to going over it to accepting or not accepting or not accepting could easily take several weeks to a couple months, during which time I am always checking their progress and making sure they know I will clarify any question and help them figure out what they need to put into it.


Petitions as simply a different format of communicating all the things folks are always saying fols need to talk about before they make a commitment. One look through the boards will tell you how poor a job is so often done in talking about them all.
Because we all see the same problems being encountered 10,15 20 times by different people.
The petition process is simply a way to organize and make sure that all the issues that a person has found to be important have been addressed.


That is some of what I get out of a petition. How poorly or well someone else uses the same tool will vary, and just knowing that the tool exists is not going to ensure the person knows how to use it. Hell I don't even consider myself to be all that skilled at using the petition process. But it has cetainly proven usefull to me.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 12:59:16 PM   
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The only thing I am ever interested in is face to face....Online relationships are for the infirmed.....You want to answer some questions...Then look me in the eye as you answer....Of course all of your answers will be garbled with your throat crammed full of Domidong.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 12:59:21 PM   
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Master was trained European House style and he never asked me to make an application.  We started chatting as vanilla 'friends', took it to talking on the phone as 'friends', it was a very very gradual process with him asking TONS of questions of me about every facet of my life and encouraging me to do the same of him.  It was very much a two way street.  However, as far as Master is concerned after all of that two way street stuff is done.. it is HIS way as agreed.. no deviation except the door.  Hence the initial communication process being so lengthy and deep.  And for reasons I will not go into there.. those foundations we laid are now being repaid a thousandfold.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 1:02:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Shantra
European House style

What does this mean?  What does "european house style" entail and how is it different from any other styles?  Thanks!

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 1:08:31 PM   
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Please make special note that I bolded and oversized two words in my post.
It was an attempt to make it beyond obvious that I do not consider my way to be the only way nor the best way for everybody else in the world.

If you missed them or the intent somehow eluded you, sorry.


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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 1:24:33 PM   
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i have seen a few profiles (after viewing mine) stating what your op said ...some even want it clearly stated in your profile what you want from Dom before contacting him. i'm surprised they haven't asked to have a resume ready for their inspection. Doms like that automatically get blocked.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 1:25:05 PM   
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quote:

What does "european house style" entail and how is it different from any other styles? Thanks!


I have a funny feeling it's very Story of Oish


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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 1:25:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: Shantra
European House style

What does this mean?  What does "european house style" entail and how is it different from any other styles?  Thanks!


Yes please, I was wondering the very same thing. Inquiring minds need to know!


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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 1:30:45 PM   
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Lady Albatross, I have emailed my Masters answer to you as per his instructions so that the thread is not hijacked. 

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 1:32:57 PM   
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quote:

so that the thread is not hijacked. 


Oops, too late....


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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 1:36:25 PM   
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Well I am sorry this fell on you LT, knowing your predilictions, but---

When you are really hammering the meat in her face, the western hemisphere style is to say, I love to hear you gag you fuckin' bitch!!!!

The european houses say,  I love to hear you gag, my dear!!!!

It's kinda a frilly shirt discoie edwardian jacket thing...Ever seen Dark Shadows?  Like that.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 2:08:53 PM   
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fast reply back on topic

I would think that this application process is used more with femdoms and male subs than with femsubs male doms? It appears so by the answers on this thread...

Online there are so many male doms versus female submissives (or at least people claiming to be) that this application process over the internet would seem silly to me. Kinda like being in high demand in the job market, the employer finds you when they need a position to fill with not enough applicants instead of the other way around...

Just some thoughts while reading this thread, because I cannot for the life of me imagine treating this process like applying for a job. I felt like that when I was dating vanilla. It just would not suit me I guess, but to each their own.

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RE: Applications! - 6/12/2007 4:07:08 PM   
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Thanks for allllllll the wonderful answers ladies/gents

and just to point it out by all means make use of this thread, I don't mind hijacking at all as long as I get few replies on my topic first (yeah I'm selfish lol) and as long as it doesn't end up in an arguement.
Count me in on the European house style I'm curious!

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