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SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/13/2007 3:50:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: juliaoceania The hypocrisy of it all is that the same people that make these laws often are having sex with people they are not married to, and probably got their own knob polished when they were in high school. Exactly!...This thread reminds me of others....Say abortion, for instance....People seem to so quickly forget what it was like to be young....and try to place the morality of a 45 year old unto that of someone who is 17.....The Union should flush the whole state...Oooops, what about Michael?....Actually he might be ready to welcome the sweet release of death. i think i may have to start a thread titled "to build an ark or just buy a boat like the tidy bowl man had? that is the question. i dont wanna be flushed dang it[sm=whoa.gif]

Sinergy -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/13/2007 6:04:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo Yes, but this wasn't the school making a big hem-haw out of this. It was the girl's parents. Sucks to have parents who dont remember knob polishing in high school. Sinergy

Musicmystery -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/13/2007 6:56:18 PM)
Certainly we need to protect children. No one would argue to protect an adult who molests an eleven-year old, for example. But what if eleven-year olds decide to play doctor? Are they criminals (perhaps they’ll get “youthful offender” status)? Clearly, that’s not predatory, nor a matter for the law--that’s something parents/guardians should handle. But how can such sense earn a voice in a climate that in some corners still criminalizes consensual adult partners engaging in “mud turtling,” even married heterosexual couples? (God intended all partners to face each other, apparently.)

juliaoceania -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/13/2007 6:59:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo Yes, but this wasn't the school making a big hem-haw out of this. It was the girl's parents. Sucks to have parents who dont remember knob polishing in high school. Sinergy Was this a required course where you went to school?

Sinergy -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/13/2007 7:01:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo Yes, but this wasn't the school making a big hem-haw out of this. It was the girl's parents. Sucks to have parents who dont remember knob polishing in high school. Sinergy Was this a required course where you went to school? They called it Modern Dance. It was an elective. Sinergy

seeksfemslave -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/13/2007 10:51:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: Some restraint IMO from urban trendies is long overdue. NO? I just think I am old enough not to try and project a trendy image, thassal. Not legislated restraint... making sex between peers illegal is the most retarded thing in my mind, and it never works... next thing you know people will be advocating teens get imprisoned for masturbating... they shoulda shown some restraint...lol I am talking about restraint by those urban trendies who set the tone and values that become the social norms. If you saturate a society with sexually explicit imagery,as occurs now, the negative consequences will be seen, as occurs now ! Taking you post literally it appears that you advocate no age restraints on peer sexual activity. I wonder how many parents would support you if they found out their 13/14 yo daughter was out screwing around on a regular basis ?

Sinergy -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 12:08:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: Some restraint IMO from urban trendies is long overdue. NO? I just think I am old enough not to try and project a trendy image, thassal. Not legislated restraint... making sex between peers illegal is the most retarded thing in my mind, and it never works... next thing you know people will be advocating teens get imprisoned for masturbating... they shoulda shown some restraint...lol I am talking about restraint by those urban trendies who set the tone and values that become the social norms. If you saturate a society with sexually explicit imagery,as occurs now, the negative consequences will be seen, as occurs now ! Taking you post literally it appears that you advocate no age restraints on peer sexual activity. I wonder how many parents would support you if they found out their 13/14 yo daughter was out screwing around on a regular basis ? I had the conversation with my daughter when she was 15. She is now 20, and has dated the same guy for 5 years who is 4 years her senior. When I do the math, I come to the conclusion that I had the conversation with her a year prior to anything happening, although I might be wrong. I pointed out to her that I wanted her to be safe and to be happy, and if there was anything I could do to let me know. Sinergy p.s. My father had the conversation with me over a year after I became sexually active at 15.

CuriousLord -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 12:08:29 AM)
Two years of difference in age- child molestation? Where do I send my cash for the appeal fund? Hell, I got out of highschool just a while ago. I'm in college now. A -lot- of people have relationships just above and below 18-years of age. I can see why people might contest a 70-year old man with a 10-year old girl. But a 17-year old and a 15-year old? What the hell? No, nothing intelligent to say about this. If I actually thought about it, I'd probably get pissed off, drive to whatever court passed it, and argue the appeal myself.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 12:13:05 AM)
Careful, CL, don't go boning the local high-school girls when you're on Spring Break. Or at least don't do it while being black in Georgia.

yrstocollar -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 12:47:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitriana Laws exist to protect. They aren't to be cast aside for this circumstance or that. Yes, it is tragic that because he is 17, and was considered an adult, not a minor, it was considered molestation on a 15 year old, BUT this law was made to keep 45 year olds from taking the same liberty with 15 year olds. The line had to be drawn somewhere and the state chose 17. Laws are also written by humans.. and we are inherently flawed and bias and act from our own experiences and beliefs which frankly means laws are not and never will be perfect. Judges and police and the whole judicial system is given powers of discretion. This means that when common sense shows that a law is unjust, outdated, applies to a case on paper but shouldn't in reality or there are mitigating circumstances... the case should be "cast aside" or these should be considered in sentencing / choosing to prosecute. Overall I don't know enough of the details of this particular case to make and expert ruling here but... IF the sex was consensual: neither party should be charged with a criminal offence... while she is 15, he is only 17... this is where discretion comes into play... and rightly so! It's one of those grey areas of maturity. This case CAN'T be compared to a 45 year old and a 15 year old because of the clear power differential... that same power differential generally does not apply when you're talking about similar aged teenagers. If she had a disability say then this would apply... or if you have similar aged people but one has clear power over another then it applies eg student and teacher. The law is in place to protect vulnerable people in positions of less power... not necessarily just because of age. NO WAY should this boy should be considered a sex offender - so long as it was consential he has done nothing any other teenage boy wouldn't do given half a chance! *NO WAY should he have gone to jail - so long as it was consential this is clearly not a criminal matter. Now what kind of person do you think is going to be released back into society??? Well done guys! Great system!! On the flip side... IF the sex wasn't consential... charge him appropriately with rape and sentence accordingly.

rook42 -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 1:33:47 AM)
Up here, the age difference matters. An 18 year old and a 16 year old can get together legally. Same with 17 and 15. And a 16 and a 14 can, I believe(might be a bit outdated in my thinking- been a couple years since i've worried about the technicalities[;)]) It's a much easier system, logically. On the other hand, living with an unwed member of the opposite sex is illegal, as is oral sex. Every state's got its peculiarities. One thing to note is that most illogical laws (the illegality of oral/anal sex), are not prosecuted. "Or at least don't do it while being black in Georgia." is probably an apt statement with respect to which way discretion swings in these cases.

juliaoceania -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 6:04:43 AM)
quote: Taking you post literally it appears that you advocate no age restraints on peer sexual activity. I wonder how many parents would support you if they found out their 13/14 yo daughter was out screwing around on a regular basis ? I do not want this to be illegal with police arresting my daughter, nor the other party involved that is the same age as she is. I have no daughter. I am hoping I would have the same attitude toward a daughter as I have toward my son. As Sinergy stated, I just want him to be as safe as possible.... meaning educated on how to protect his heath. I do not want him to be exploited, I would not want a daughter to be exploited. In my conversations with men I have been involved with my ex hubby and Sinergy both had their "virginity" taken by women in their 20s when they were 17. In my state if a man in his 20s has sex with a 17 year old girl we call that "jail bait". Now both Sinergy and my ex hubby report positive experiences and fond memories of these women. Neither of them felt exploited. I find it interesting that you ask about some fictional "daughter" that I do not have rather than the UM I do. I also find it interesting that you put her in the role of victim at the same age as the person who victimizes her..... Now you tell me, how long should this 14 year old be locked up for since we are making sex illegal? Do we paint a scarlet letter on them? How about throwing rotten tomatoes at them in the city square? How exactly do we shame them into conforming? Nope, that is not the way I want my UM treated, others may differ

Sinergy -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 8:20:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania In my conversations with men I have been involved with my ex hubby and Sinergy both had their "virginity" taken by women in their 20s when they were 17. In my state if a man in his 20s has sex with a 17 year old girl we call that "jail bait". Now both Sinergy and my ex hubby report positive experiences and fond memories of these women. Neither of them felt exploited. Incorrect. I lost my virginity the beginning of my junior year of high school to a sophomore. I did not meet the PhD candidate until the middle of my junior year, and we did not actually date for 11 months. Sinergy

juliaoceania -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 8:51:41 AM)
I should rephrase that, my exhusband lost his virginity when he was 17 to a neighbor that babysat his little sister, she was 24 I believe...

seeksfemslave -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 11:18:59 AM)
quote: JuliaOceania I find it interesting that you ask about some fictional "daughter" that I do not have rather than the UM I do. I also find it interesting that you put her in the role of victim at the same age as the person who victimizes her..... Seeks says: the you is me if you catch my drift Dr A K A Demic asks me to ask you how you can find "interesting" something that wasnt said ? The Dr also says that Seeks tells him that he ie Seeks had already posted that he thought the sentences were too severe and both parties had committed an offence. So I think I will throw a tomahto...at you he he he he he he

juliaoceania -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/14/2007 6:17:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave quote: JuliaOceania I find it interesting that you ask about some fictional "daughter" that I do not have rather than the UM I do. I also find it interesting that you put her in the role of victim at the same age as the person who victimizes her..... Seeks says: the you is me if you catch my drift Dr A K A Demic asks me to ask you how you can find "interesting" something that wasnt said ? The Dr also says that Seeks tells him that he ie Seeks had already posted that he thought the sentences were too severe and both parties had committed an offence. So I think I will throw a tomahto...at you he he he he he he Here is the part of the quote that caused my "misunderstanding" quote: ORIGINAL:seeksfemslave Taking you post literally it appears that you advocate no age restraints on peer sexual activity. I wonder how many parents would support you if they found out their 13/14 yo daughter was out screwing around on a regular basis ? I am parent, so I assumed you meant me too... my bad

seeksfemslave -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/15/2007 12:02:12 AM)
quote: JuliaOceania Here is the part of the quote that caused my "misunderstanding" quote: seeksfemslave Taking you post literally it appears that you advocate no age restraints on peer sexual activity. I wonder how many parents would support you if they found out their 13/14 yo daughter was out screwing around on a regular basis ? quote: MsJO I am parent, so I assumed you meant me too... my bad Dr A K A Demic points out that you have a male offspring therefore the "Seeks" quote does not apply to you. The Dr then went on to say that you, in this instance at least, are not bad but illogical. Give up ?

juliaoceania -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/15/2007 5:52:59 AM)
sfs, if you would like to tell me if you would like to jail children for experimenting sexually, that is your opinion. I accept it, but this dodging about due to misreading a post is really silly...

seeksfemslave -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/15/2007 6:04:50 AM)
First I hope you woke up refreshed after a good nights sleep MsJO. We both know you made a mistake but I am very forgiving. Second, UMs are capable of some dastardly things and I should think sexual violence is one of them. Murder certainly is. Jail ?.Dont say treatment cos' that doesnt work.

juliaoceania -> RE: Jailing a 17 year old for hormones? (6/15/2007 6:15:15 AM)
Now you change the subject, dodge again, we are not talking about rape here... we are talking consensual sex...

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