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dawntreader -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/15/2007 6:39:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Brownsugasub69

I agree with Domiguy.

sista!!! where have YOU been?




nephandi -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/16/2007 3:10:52 AM)

Hi

i have not readall the replies. i wanted to say that, being into humiliation, torture and objectification do nnot mean one do not value one self, some pepole are just made that way. If one like to be treated as dirt in the bedroom, that do not mean one think of one self a dirt.i like humiliation play, and objectification, and i am a marchosist, but i am not any of theese things due to any lack of lef worth, it is just what i find sexy, nothing more.

i wih you all well.




octavia -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/16/2007 9:29:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader


sista!!! where have YOU been?


Your new picture is SMOKIN HOT girl!!!!!!!!  [;)]

PS.  I agree with the "quality finds quality" comment. [:)]




domiguy -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/16/2007 10:10:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: octavia

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader


sista!!! where have YOU been?


Your new picture is SMOKIN HOT girl!!!!!!!!  [;)]

PS.  I agree with the "quality finds quality" comment. [:)]


Aint to shabby yo' self.




xBullx -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/16/2007 10:56:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

I don't look at myself as inferior to ANYONE; I am everyone's equal, even the Goreans who look down on anyone who is NOT Gorean or who doesn't play by 'their' rules or act as they think I should.



Well, well girl,

Now if you're gonna generalize, you better expect a rebutle. You see, if you wanted to explain that you meant those role playing, but not always realistic fantasy type Goreans, or even those that don't live it beyond a living part time roleplay or even state that you are only surmising you have an understanding of what a "living" Gorean thinks, well, then I would simply dismiss your comments as ignorant and move on, but as you were not able to disclude me from your comment about Goreans, You better do a better job of researching those you chastise.

Now I don't speak for all, but I'm sure you can research further if you want to qualify and justify your brash comments. A Gorean is a person that believes men are meant to be the leaders and accountable for the species. We beleive nature has inspired this condition. We also believe that men are superior in only those areas that he is able to demonstrate superiority in. We believe all are responsible and accountable for their actions and the actions of those within their charge. Hense the slave he or even she may own. Our slaves are not equal to us. To be a slave and suspect you have equality or superiority to a free is rather ridiculous. You as a slave are to be subservient to another. That seems rather simple.  Do remember I said that I believe these things as a Gorean and I do not believe all on this 3rd rock have to live as Goreans, nor would I even wish as much.

We also view our free women as submissives, in general anyway.  I do tend to leave a window open for the contradiction to the norm. That doesn't mean that dominant females are odd, that only implies that they are not always the norm for the female condition. And that goes beyond what us Gorean believe. To the point, not even these women are equal to a man in many ways, and to the contrary men are not equal to women in many ways.

The fact is that Goreans embrace the differences between the sexes and enjoy them for the differences they are. We see no point in wasting time disputing ridiculous notions that we are the same. If you wanted to appy it to the ever discussed wage issue, where a woman is doing the job of a man and doing it equally as well, yet being paid less, this would be an abomination to a Gorean. That isn't something we view as wrong, we just don't think that small so she would have been paid accordingly in the first place. 

Sure men tend to be physically stronger and women tend to have a greater sense of compassion and love, yet neither are rules, they are tendancies, that's all. Strong tendancies mind you, but not rules. You see, a Gorean man wants to help bring out the absolute female within his women, be they slave or free. And when the female is at her most feminine, it tends to bring out the most masculine qualities in the male. Now, mindset from birth helps prevent distortion and corruption in the fabric of social interaction. If men are taught accountability and responsibility they tend to not become abusive or demented in evil and socially unacceptable ways, but that is another thread for another day.

The point is equality is an illusional term the governament cooked up to give you the disguised intent that they are looking after everyones best interest. Equality is a Congressional term to be thrown around in the interest of re-election. My bet as much as folks say Bush favors Mexican Americans simply to get a vote, someone said and did the same when women were given the right to vote. Tell me for one second that you truly believe that any of the Senators or Congressmen you have elected think that you're equal to them. After all it is the laws that men like they wrote that gave you that liberty. So again, how equal and free do you really think you are Rose?

Now to conclude so that I remain on topic I'll bring out from the points above. Goreans embrace the differences that are the female. When you find that exquisite slut that aches to be pleasing in all ways and can do little more to control herself but than to kneel in the presence of the free folk; then take her and help her embrace the qualities that make her the most alluring, the most beautiful, the most skilled within the feminine arts. Insist she be all that she is, the complete woman, a woman that would make any man lust for her, a woman that would inspire jealously in any woman that has yet to embrace or experience the vital essence of what the slave girl is. Not a door mat, but a door mat, not an abused beast, but an abused beast, all that is pleasing to the owner she serves. All that is deliciously woman. Do not take away her natural right to be his unequal in the ways that bring her that inner glow. Do not force her to be equal because there are men out there unable to control their own internal beast. Do not live the illusion of the equality that has been rammed down your throats.

Just a public service anouncement from one of us dreaded Goreans.

Him,

Bull




Lordandmaster -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/16/2007 1:12:06 PM)

It's just a mindless cliche.  It's about as meaningful as "The only thing we need to fear is fear itself."  Or "Man is his own worst enemy."  Or whatever.

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
The moment you demean another human being, you demean yourself.


Do such phrases have any meaning beyond their shock value? How do you even attempt to justify this?




octavia -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/16/2007 8:03:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: octavia

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader


sista!!! where have YOU been?


Your new picture is SMOKIN HOT girl!!!!!!!!  [;)]

PS.  I agree with the "quality finds quality" comment. [:)]


Aint to shabby yo' self.


Why...
thank you. [:D]




Deliena -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/17/2007 3:29:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy
my Master doesn't consider His slave to be pitiful.  In fact, when she tries to get some pity from Him, He doesn't give in to it.  He wouldn't have a slave who was pitiful.  He only finds it fulfilling to Dominate someone (not something


Very articulate Joy - and I for one share that sentiment.  I recognise others require different things in their lives, but for me submitting to someone is about exchange of power and to reliquish it to someone else demands that the person I give it to understands that in doing so I am participating.  I consider it an interactive exerpiece and don't get any real enjoyment from those who do not.




Deliena -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/17/2007 3:38:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Sigh, if only they didn't buy into the myth that suddenly labeling themselves a sub/slave changes how relationships are formed or how their own judgement works.

Once they buy into that, the rest comes following after.  THAT is why it takes them so long to get their acts together. 


1 size doesn't fit all? <grins>




Aswad -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/18/2007 3:48:58 PM)

In reply to the general topic...

I can go different ways on this one. So let me turn it around a bit.

With nephandi, I'm looking for one specific kind of relationship: that "perfect blend" of love and M/s. I want to help her realize her full potential in all regards, and would not want to reduce her in any way. Still, as she also commented, humiliation, objectification, torture and so forth ... these are just great fun. And we're both wired for it. That doesn't mean either one of us wants her self-image damaged, or her worth (or perception of such) reduced. I have the utmost love and respect for her.

With some people, it's a thrill to see how much you can bite off and still chew. Kind of like domesticating a wild animal. You don't want to "break it in". You have appropriate respect and admiration for it and its nature. You know you'll have to earn its respect. But in the end, it will be eating out of your hand, following your lead, and letting you pet it. And it will come to appreciate you for it. It takes patience, empathy and talent. The approach is slightly different for each species and each individual, but the challenge (and the relationship, of course!) is present.

With some, however, the inappropriateness of "doormat" lies only in failing to recognize the value of this convenience and the extent of their utility. That doesn't make them any less worth, merely very different. And probably fairly rare, unless you count people who don't have any idea what they are getting into.

It's like comparing Glen Morangie 18yo, Aardbeg 17yo and Jack Daniels ... respectively. I try to keep all three labels/vintages handy. And I like them all. But in very different ways. They cannot be compared in terms of "quality", as they're each (to my tastes) gold standards in their own right, in different directions.

G.M. is love; I enjoy every sip, take great care not to "wear out" my tastebuds, making a glass an event.

A. is the challenge; I still enjoy it, but the roughness around the edges is part of where it's at; a glass is still an event.

J.D. is a familiar classic. It's still "the" sour mash for me, and I enjoy it. But it's the one I'm more likely to bring along when massacring my electric guitar, and then suddenly find half-empty (no, that isn't a problem). It's not the one I sit down with to make an event out of it.

And this also reflects the likelyhood of offering a glass to someone. My J.D. is open to anyone who's welcome in my house, provided they drink from a glass, not the bottle. My A. is brought out for friends who like it, served in regular crystal, with or without ice cubes. (This might change a bit due to availability, but you can only take an analogy so far...) My G.M. is only brought out for close acquaintances who are fully able to appreciate what they are offered, served in a pre-chilled crystal glass, with ice being frowned upon.

This analogy probably won't make too much sense to anyone who can't distinguish a single malt from a blend, but the rest should get my point perfectly, even if their tastes don't align with mine.




awmslave -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/18/2007 7:37:01 PM)

We are here mostly knowledgeable BDSM practitioners. I would like if people would not use slave and submissive as meaning the same. The original post critisizes manipulative submissive masochist not a slave. This topic (slave vs. submissive) has been covered many times.




charlotte12 -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/18/2007 8:41:44 PM)

I have felt the most humiliated, degraded and objectified (in a bad way) when i've allowed others to judge and ignore parts of myself. If i feel my heart beat faster and my stomach do excited flops when i'm "put in my place" or treated as a toy then i would be doing myself harm by allowing others to tell me this is something i should not enjoy.

My desire to be tortured at times may make me of less value to someone who does not desire to treat me that way but i would argue that it does not make me of less value period. I have felt the most worthy as a human being, slave or not, in those times when i have stopped trying to judge the things that make me happy.

Just my two cents. There have been some interesting posts in this thread. Thanks for making me think everyone :)




mons -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/19/2007 1:56:49 AM)

i understand what your saying, i much prefer someone who respect themselve. but also has that wild side but when we are in public i demansd he will be all he can be, i want him to talk not let me walk all over him. ues i want one who had respect and a good side too himself

mons oh yes i found him :)




Aswad -> RE: Slaves of Quality (6/19/2007 2:43:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: awmslave

I would like if people would not use slave and submissive as meaning the same.


I would like that, too.

But in the interest of not spawning endless debates over definitions (which has been the general result when the topic is covered here), I try to leave it open for others to read whatever they want to read instead of The Controversial Word, so they can get on with understanding the post, rather than bickering about The Word used.

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The original post critisizes manipulative submissive masochist not a slave.


Okay, that was not apparent to me from the OP and the replies.

Thank you for clarifying for everyone.




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