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RE: Just another kink! - 6/6/2005 3:07:40 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: Tristan

I think this fetish has something to do with men who love to buy women gifts and women who love to receive gifts. It's been somewhat changed by the bdsm world and doesn't really seem to make much sense in the bdsm world.


And yet it happens a lot. And I ask you sincerely, what does it change in your world that it does? How does the fact that this happens affect you? WHy do you care? Note that I'm not picking on you but rather trying to make people realise that there is no reason for them to judge what makes 2 other individuals happy.

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RE: Just another kink! - 6/6/2005 3:39:53 PM   
Tristan


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Status: offline 		On a personal level, it doesn't affect me nor do I really care about it. I was simply making a comment about how I think this fetish is related to something we see nearly every day in the vanilla world. I really don't care what two (or more) people do as long it’s done without any coercion or deception.

However, I think we can all agree that there are scammers out there using deception, coercion, insecurities, and/or other means to get people to part with their money. While it’s easy to say to people "live and learn", I also think that scamming should not necessarily be tolerated in either the vanilla or bdsm worlds. I do feel bad for those who are scammed. And yes, there really is nothing most of us can do to stop scammers except to bring it to the attention of others particularly those that are targets.

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RE: Just another kink! - 6/6/2005 3:53:26 PM   
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And yes, there really is nothing most of us can do to stop scammers except to bring it to the attention of others particularly those that are targets.


Agreed. And perhaps Collarme should have a warning message to newcomers. However, and I know you didn't start this thread, but putting up threads trying to discredit a legitimate kink isn't the answer.

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RE: Just another kink! - 6/6/2005 5:12:15 PM   
Tristan


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Status: offline 		And how did I attempt to discredit a legitimate kink? It sounds as if you are reading more into what I said than what I intented.

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RE: Just another kink! - 6/6/2005 5:33:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tristan

And how did I attempt to discredit a legitimate kink? It sounds as if you are reading more into what I said than what I intented.


I never said you did. Man... my disclaimer was not obvious enough. Look at what I wrote:
However, and I know you didn't start this thread, but putting up threads trying to discredit a legitimate kink isn't the answer.

You just happen to be the one responding when I was posting my opinions. My apologies if you felt that I targeted you. Perhaps you read a little more into it as well ;)

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/6/2005 6:23:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sarbonn

Whenever I discover someone who pretends not to be a completely only into money as a financial domme, I run completely in the opposite direction. It's another one of those things that bothers me here because of the last 10 women to contact me here, 8 of them have been money dommes or professionals I have never heard of (meaning they see what they believe is an easy target) who contact me, stating my profile was interesting to them, and then they begin to explain how much it will cost to "pursue" this relationship.



Another reason why some boys have expressed that they never hear from the Dominas, but I will not write to a boy. I don't need to try to start somethng with the boy being suspiscious from the get-go.
I don't hear from Dominas in this vein. But I do hear from a lot of boys overseas who need Me to sponsor them or assist them financially in getting to the USA so they can serve Me for the rest of their lives. I ignore them. I suggest that the boys do the same with the Ladies who demand payment for an email.
There was a thread with a huge warning on it, and a profile to go with it, just a few days ago. The thread was pulled very quickly and the profile is gone now.
The lady was warning boys not to send any money to unknown persons, at least not until they had spent some time on the phone and webcam. I had to assume, of course, that she had both a phone and a webcam.


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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/6/2005 7:40:06 PM   
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all you have to do is convince yourselves that the dead president's are much more important to you than the women you fear that might try and take them away. Once you do that, you'll never lose them!
- The Ranger

Not in defense of people taking other people's money for nothing, that is wrong, but for Godssakes if anyone lacks common sense that way... Everyone should have enough sense NOT to pay anyone simply to be allowed first contact; even with a pro, I would imagine you'd need to email/chat once or twice before you decide on a business arrangement.

I'm picking on your note because It sounds like you're encouraging men to be cheap (by asking them to honor dead presidents more than the women who might take them away, and what woman doesn't cost a gentleman who's dating her?), and there is nothing less attractive in a man... M

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/6/2005 7:56:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's really not the point. The point is that people who use a free website for their money business should at least be asked to place their profiles in a pro category. And when they send unsolicited e-mails to other users, that's little better than spam.

Lam

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

Not in defense of people taking other people's money for nothing, that is wrong, but for Godssakes if anyone lacks common sense that way... Everyone should have enough sense NOT to pay anyone simply to be allowed first contact; even with a pro, I would imagine you'd need to email/chat once or twice before you decide on a business arrangement.


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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/6/2005 8:11:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
That's really not the point. The point is that people who use a free website for their money business should at least be asked to place their profiles in a pro category. And when they send unsolicited e-mails to other users, that's little better than spam.
Lam

No Sir, that isn't the point of this OP either (it's the point YOU wish to emphasize, with which I don't disagree by the way)...
Original poster wrote:
quote:

To each their own but i'm having trouble understanding why any fool, sub male or otherwise would have any interest in this sort of arrangement. i've viewed more than a few profiles that blatantly advertise for "money sluts", etc.

I'm not even disagreeing that what the OP says is happening is nonsense; but if that is someone's kink, what difference should it make to any of us not losing our money?? M

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/6/2005 9:39:23 PM   
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Not in defense of people taking other people's money for nothing, that is wrong, but for Godssakes if anyone lacks common sense that way... Everyone should have enough sense NOT to pay anyone simply to be allowed first contact; even with a pro, I would imagine you'd need to email/chat once or twice before you decide on a business arrangement.

All I can say is that some here are very vulnerable, and that vulnerability often times negates their common sense.

quote:

I'm picking on your note because It sounds like you're encouraging men to be cheap (by asking them to honor dead presidents more than the women who might take them away, and what woman doesn't cost a gentleman who's dating her?), and there is nothing less attractive in a man... M

Absolutely not. All I'm doing is telling them to protect themselves from what they fear the most. Take the money out of the equation. Simple as that.

The whole money thing is just an evaluation. I really don't even think about the tangible things money brings. For me, money only represents freedom;The more money you have the more free you become. When somebody takes away your money, you loose freedom. Anyone who tells you different, doesn't have any money. Now repeat that ten times. HAR!

As far as being cheap : Personally, I have impeccable taste and never for one second would I encourage any guy taking a Lady on date to be cheap or frugal. Be a gentleman, splurge and have a good time!

Ms. M : If you ever make it out to the magnificent Rose City, for business or pleasure, give The Ranger a holler and he will show you a good time - On his dime of course!

Anyone else from here that makes it out to Portland, for business or pleasure - By all means message me and I will give you recommendations for the best culinary adventures, the best brew/ale houses and wine joints, and the best Jazz houses and live music venues - Compliments of a true connoisseur.




- The Ranger


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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/6/2005 9:39:49 PM   
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Not in defense of people taking other people's money for nothing, that is wrong, but for Godssakes if anyone lacks common sense that way... Everyone should have enough sense NOT to pay anyone simply to be allowed first contact; even with a pro, I would imagine you'd need to email/chat once or twice before you decide on a business arrangement.



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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/6/2005 9:45:10 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Because, as I've said about twelve times, Collarme is a free site that is being exploited by people with money schemes. Those of us who use and enjoy Collarme are affected by it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

what difference should it make to any of us not losing our money??


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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/6/2005 9:47:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
When somebody takes away your money, you loose freedom. Anyone who tells you different, doesn't have any money. Now repeat that ten times. HAR!

Damn those people at Fredericks of Hollywoods, Lord&Taylor and Bloomingdales! I knew they were out to keep me down, LOL...
Your money equates freedom is not exactly correct, but I'll accept that it helps with some freedoms.
quote:

Ms. M : If you ever make it out to the magnificent Rose City, for business or pleasure, give The Ranger a holler and he will show you a good time - On his dime of course!

Why thank you... I wasn't fishing for a date, but I'll let you know if I'm ever inclined to visit Oregon, would gladly hang out with you. M

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/6/2005 9:53:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Because, as I've said about twelve times, Collarme is a free site that is being exploited by people with money schemes. Those of us who use and enjoy Collarme are affected by it.

No Sir, that isn't the point of this OP either (it's the point YOU wish to emphasize, with which I don't disagree by the way)

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/7/2005 12:23:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Although I myself am not a financial domme, I will say that I believe I can understand the dynamics of this fetish. It seems that, within the bdsm community, countless fetishes are considered the norm where objectification is concerned..ie, footstools, toiletslaves, ashtrays, infantilism, painpups, etc, etc, etc...and so, why is it so difficult a leap of understanding about those who seek to be objectified as atm's, piggybanks, wallets, or whathaveyou...? Bottom line, it's still all about power exchange, and where money has always been considered the icon of power and control, why is it so very difficult to understand what this type of power exchange means? Could it be the ultimate taboo, I wonder..where money has always represented power and control within the male dominion, and over womyn in general for generations..hmmm...

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/7/2005 4:22:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Because, as I've said about twelve times, Collarme is a free site that is being exploited by people with money schemes. Those of us who use and enjoy Collarme are affected by it.


In life in general, people try to exploit me with money schemes. Whether it's the the world famous Nigerian Scam (also known as a "4-1-9" or "Advance Fee Fraud" scheme), some telemarketer (yes, some are fraudulent) or the dude that tries to pass you fake diamonds, fake gold, etc. Man! Even when you see a fresh basket of strawberries like the one I bought last night and the ones in the center bottom are mouldy!! Now that pisses me off!

My point is that there are scams everywhere. We need to educate ourselves and learn to deal with them. They will not go away just because we put up a filter. And I'm not suggesting that a filter won't help, but it's not a cure, it's a band-aid.

Like Dusty, I get a lot of emails from boys all over the world that offer me service in exchange for sponsorship for Canadian citizenship. I block them. I know what kind of scams these are. Because I know and understand scams, I can protect myself against them. I have my own filter.

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/7/2005 4:24:33 AM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: GoddessMayhem1

Although I myself am not a financial domme, I will say that I believe I can understand the dynamics of this fetish. It seems that, within the bdsm community, countless fetishes are considered the norm where objectification is concerned..ie, footstools, toiletslaves, ashtrays, infantilism, painpups, etc, etc, etc...and so, why is it so difficult a leap of understanding about those who seek to be objectified as atm's, piggybanks, wallets, or whathaveyou...? Bottom line, it's still all about power exchange, and where money has always been considered the icon of power and control, why is it so very difficult to understand what this type of power exchange means? Could it be the ultimate taboo, I wonder..where money has always represented power and control within the male dominion, and over womyn in general for generations..hmmm...


Thank you for this thoughtful reflection GoddessMayhem1. I'm glad to see that people can differentiate between kink & scam.

And welcome to the collarme boards.

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/7/2005 7:45:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow! I suppose I started all this so should jump back in the pot now that it's boiling. It would appear that my lack of understanding of this particular kink know's no bounds. For my purposes I suppose if I were inclined to send money to anyone with no expectation of any return other than the loss of the power associated with the money, I would choose a worthy charity. No, I don't believe a money Domme qualifies as one. At least I couldn't find it as a deduction while doing last years taxes.

I wasn't trying to disrespect another's kink. There are a million ways to enjoy BDSM most of which from a submissives perspective are quite exciting, some however are of little or no interest to me personally. That doesn't mean I'm intolerant of them simply they either do not push my buttons or maybe I'm just too thick to understand them. LOL.

I'll be the first to admit this isn't a vanilla group here. Better have just a modicum of understanding.

Some of these posts have enlightened me as to the practice and psychology behind it. For that, I'm grateful.

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/7/2005 7:53:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I'm not getting what the fuss is all about really.

It's a kink, you don't like it, oh well. The world doesn't fit into your own boxes of what people should or shouldn't like and what people should or shouldn't do.

I'm a huge debator, I love picking ideas and concepts apart until the cows come home. We can discuss the merits, foundations, ways and means and aspects of financial domination a zillion times and I will come back for more.

But if someone wants to just rant about what a wrong and bad and useless kink it is, go write a journal.

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/7/2005 9:36:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		really didn't think I was ranting, simply asking a question about something I don't understand. I don't feel the need to write a journal on the topic because I'm completely satisfied with the enlightening discussion on the topic from a wide range of positions.

Thanks to A/all that assisted with answers.

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