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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/13/2005 5:26:42 PM   
UtopianRanger


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Just today I received this letter, check it out:

"Thank you for your e-mail and interest in me. I have gotten so many responses it has been hard to pick people I really think are a good fit for what I am looking for. I have decided to have a little contest.

There is a huge play party down in the Caribbean this November. The deadline for entrance is the beginning of July. I will be going to this. I want to find some one to take with me to be my slave, sub, slut, sissy boy for the week I am there. If I pick you I will fly you to the party from Orlando, pay for your room and board while we are there, and fly you back. All you have to do are three little things. The cost of this is around $2,000.00.

This is what you have to do to be considered.

1) Type me a 500 word letter. Tell me why I should pick you and why you think we will have a good time. Tell me your fetishes, limits and wants. It can be handwritten only if I can read your writing. If I can’t read it I will toss it away.

2) Send a clean, clear and recent picture of you.

3) Send $100.00 cash or money orders. No checks.

Please see the link below and check out the events."

I removed the name and address she sent to me. Honestly, what a scam. Well planned, well thought out, she will catch a lot of naive men. You know the nice honest pure kind, and ruin them for ever.

This disgusts me.

oh and prostitutes disgust me also. They are responsible for so much of the AIDS epidemic, calling them liars is kind, they are far worse.




I've received two similar type messages, both 100 % completely unsolicited. One of them was alot more intricate than the one you posted.
I don't get mad tho.....I just laugh! I consider this site to have a certain amount of entertainment value.



- The Ranger

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/13/2005 6:08:40 PM   
RosaB


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oh and prostitutes disgust me also. They are responsible for so much of the AIDS epidemic, calling them liars is kind, they are far worse.



You've got to be kidding. Where's the responsibility of the person that visits with the prostitue. I know this a bit off topic, but, that comment really boggles my mind more than any of the nonsensical statements I've seen referenced to women prodomme, non-pro or sex workers. I've personally lost family and friends to the epidemic and let me tell you in the case of the females, it was passed on to them by husbands that took little caution when it came to unzipping.

For the time that I've been involved in this lifestyle, I've seen the worst and best on both sides of dom sub equation. Frankly the abusive subs line up, seemingly, equally in numbers with the abusive dom/dommes. This is a good place for most to learn many of the pitfalls in the lifestyle. There's really little excuse for many of us in this lifestyle to not bear some responsibility for what happens to us when there is so much info available. If they can find sites like this, they can find out the necessary info to protect themselves. It certainly seems they know all the buzz words to use when sending out emails. Early on we all make mistakes in choices, but to continue that path is still just that, a choice.

Those looking for a quick fix tend to be the ones most likely interested in the dynamics of money domination. And if they wish to avail themselves to opening up their wallets to fulfill their kink, that is a choice. Why judge it. If they wish not to have that kink and it's more of mental quirck that they feel needs fixing, there's pleanty of help to be found. Your kinks not like my kinks and so on and on it goes. Sure kick me till I'm blue, please ask me to drink your urine, but don't ever tell me to let you have that dime that fell out of my pocket when I was hanging upside-down from those ropes. Did I just make sense? No matter, I'm sure you get my drift.

I think its great to be protective of newbie subs/slaves/bottoms, (I myself actively suppport a haven for abused sub/slaves), but I'd like to see that same intense support lanquished on new dom/dommes/tops as well. Seems to be an overwhelming dislike of women in general in some of the postings on the subject of female dommes.

Rosa


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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/13/2005 7:17:00 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		Nicely said, RosaB! You deserve a very big round of applause!
Thank you.

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/13/2005 7:23:52 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
quote:

There is a huge play party down in the Caribbean this November. The deadline for entrance is the beginning of July. I will be going to this. I want to find some one to take with me to be my slave, sub, slut, sissy boy for the week I am there. If I pick you I will fly you to the party from Orlando, pay for your room and board while we are there, and fly you back. All you have to do are three little things. The cost of this is around $2,000.00.


I've received two similar type messages, both 100 % completely unsolicited. One of them was alot more intricate than the one you posted. I don't get mad tho.....I just laugh! I consider this site to have a certain amount of entertainment value.

- The Ranger


Damn! Some people have a sweet set up! So who's gonna take me to the Carribean party <bats her eyelashes sweetly and looks at all your wallets>

- LA

*in case there was any doubt, I was kidding*

< Message edited by LadyAngelika -- 6/13/2005 7:24:16 PM >

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/13/2005 7:32:03 PM   
kc692


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ORIGINAL: Authentic

Why was it sent to me, just an error on her/his part is my guess. I hesitate to even say it is a woman since it is more likely just a plain money scam. A very pricey scam at that! I have received many scam letters, but this is by and far the best. A contest to see who is the most stupid, how novel an idea.

I really feel that cheating or scaming people out of money here is a crime. It is not harmless, and certianly does not satisfy the one being cheated.

I do not feel that the typical married man who wants a Dominant mistress is wrong to pay for her lifestyle, if he has the money to do so and is willing, that is his business not mine. But that is rare here, mostly its just plain fraud.


If profile was not visible, or even if it is, I guess I can understand them emailing just everybody...after all, I get unbelievable email and one liners every day that do not follow my instructions in my profile, and I can tell they have not even read it. It is as you said, it may not even be a Domme, it may be any gender seeking a scam.

I will say again, I have no problems with Pro-Dommes at all, but what you are speaking of is not a Pro-Domme. Again, the email looked pretty self explanatory to me, and I would think that anyone that read it would realize that the delete button needed to be pressed.

Again, even though I have no argument against Pro-Dommes, I do not require tribute of any kind (not that this requirement of tribute would qualify me as Pro-Domme). A Pro-Domme is a professional, and although you may not utilize her services, someone else has the right to so they should so choose. I have received tributes of gifts, not because requested but because someone chose to give.

You definitely are correct in that what you quoted was indeed crass and blatantly seeking monies,but I think people deserve more credit in this respect than they are sometimes given, and are quite capable of seeing the scams if they reasonably and objectively examine the situation.

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/13/2005 7:50:11 PM   
UtopianRanger


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Damn! Some people have a sweet set up! So who's gonna take me to the Carribean party <bats her eyelashes sweetly and looks at all your wallets>

- LA

*in case there was any doubt, I was kidding*


Well, you know, If I would have received that letter from You, it had been a whole different story. ; }


- The Ranger

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/13/2005 10:48:24 PM   
Authentic


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Status: offline 		You said:

“that comment really boggles my mind more than any of the nonsensical statements I've seen referenced to women prodomme (sic), non-pro or sex workers. I've personally lost family and friends to the epidemic and let me tell you in the case of the females, it was passed on to them by husbands that took little caution when it came to unzipping.”

I must be missing something here, you say that you have had female family members who have succumb to Aids, yet you do not HATE any pathway of transmission of the disease? I am sorry, but I hate, and I mean hate any pathway that this disease can be transmitted. It is a horrid epidemic, so many innocent people, such suffering, God.

Several pathways of transmission are absolutely associated with this disease, intravenous drug use, prostitution, and unprotected gay male sex. These are the vectors of transmission. As politically incorrect as it may be, this is why the disease spreads. Anyone and I mean anyone who has a family member who has Aids will tell you that you have to HATE all pathways of transmission and stop them at all cost.

Gay men get it in this country, and are practicing safe sex, but it still flourishes with prostitutes and intravenous drug users. Usually they are one in the same. So yes, I hate prostitution. A lot of scam artists and so called pro-dommes are just prostitutes trying a new way of plying the oldest profession. I do not feel badly for them, and I certainly feel very badly for their victims though.

Pro-dommes, yes there are many who are real and competent, provide a valuable service, but rarely do they ever engage in sex. When you engage in sex for money you cross the line, and are prostituting, even if you do not see yourself as such.

You have said that you have experience in this lifestyle, how can this be? You said “You’ve got to be kidding,” well, I’m not kidding! My profession is one where Aids is a real every day occurrence, it is no joke, and it also is not something to be ignored. There is no, and I mean no justification for any pathway of transmission of this disease.

All I can say is get real.

Respectfully,
Authentic

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/13/2005 11:52:39 PM   
GoddessSasha


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Several pathways of transmission are absolutely associated with this disease, intravenous drug use, prostitution, and unprotected gay male sex.


unprotected heterosexual sex, rape, pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding are all also known pathways lets all hate gays prostitutes drug users women men babys in fact why dont we all just spend our time hating other people instead of focusing on the real stuff.

hate the pathways NOT the people ?

why is it we discriminate? the virus doesnt

Sasha

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 3:49:32 AM   
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unprotected heterosexual sex, rape, pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding are all also known pathways lets all hate gays prostitutes drug users women men babys in fact why dont we all just spend our time hating other people instead of focusing on the real stuff.

hate the pathways NOT the people ?

why is it we discriminate? the virus doesnt

Sasha


AMEN.

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 9:08:56 AM   
Authentic


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why is it we discriminate? the virus doesnt (sic)


You obviously do not work with anyone who has HIV that has further progressed to Aids. Those of whom you speak are victims, gay men are also victims. Gay men are the most well educated among the various vector pathways, yet still it spreads. You know, your attitude almost makes it seem you are ok with the spread of this horrible disease, and I just don't get it. I was in an Aids clinic in Africa 2 months ago, and let me tell you, YOU would hate the pathway of transmission of the disease. It is easy for you to be politically correct here, where you think your safe (most people feel it will not happen to them), but your not. You could have a car accident today, end up in the ER, and a drug addict who gave blood before he converted and tested positive might have sold blood at a blood bank in china, and then you could very well be the recipient. Gay men, prostitutes, drug users, what exactly do you mean. They are not pathways, they are victims. Prostitution is a pathway, intravenous drug use is a pathway. I have little sympathy for drug users who spread Aids, I am heartless to them, and to prostitutes too, just because they are victims does not give them the right to kill others because of their stupidity. In Brazil, a full 50% of Aids is spread via prostitution.

You know some things just have to be hated, and you would if you had seen what this virus does to its victims.

And by the way, I do not hate gay men, I hate that the virus has spread to millions of gay men. And if you cannot tell by now, I am in Medicine and see this all very first hand every single day.

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 9:34:26 AM   
GoddessSasha


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Status: offline 		you might actually want to read my message
there was an element of sarcasm involved (english sarcasm I grant you so if you are from the States it may have escaped you) and it wasnt I repeat wasnt aimed at your full message in the first place, only at the constant assumption that there are very few methods of transmission, as if those people themselves are to blame.
I was merely pointing out that hate isnt always the best way to get the message across. We could take it to the extreme and hate the doctors for not finding a cure yet. Some women take the risk and become pregnant knowing their partners are HIV+ they dont deserve to be despised any more than someone living with a disease like addiction does they deserve support and care. Just my opinion.

I understand that isnt what you may have meant to come across in your message just as mine was misunderstood these things happen too. We dont use the word victim in this country or try not to as it implies a passive participation, its not about being politically correct for me its about my own life and those of my peers. Blood transfusion isnt accepted as a method of transmission here either as all blood is screened since the outcry regarding haemophillia years ago.

In actual fact I have worked with survivors of rape, child abuse, adults and children with HIV and with recovering drug addicts some of whom were prostitutes, so yes I do understand what Im talking about.

There really is no need to take things personally that aren't meant that way in the first place. If we all had the same opinion the world would be a boring place.

have a great day
Sasha

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 12:29:10 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		Well, anyhoo, this thread was orignally intended to be about "money slaves" and somehow from there Pro Domination came into the discussion, which is par for the course, and then W/we got on the subject of the evils of prostitution which in turn lead to the HIV/AIDS debate. Of course conversations and dicussions uusally do lead to other things, but they should come full circle.
So I will attempt to close the circle now by stating that I am pretty sure that anyone visiting a reputable ProDomme should not contract HIV (they should be careful about their own toys and no exchange of bodily fluids of course...do you think they can do that, or should W/we get a watchdog group for that, also?) and I am absolutely certain that anyone who opens their wallet and sends some money through the mail (or the internet) is not going to contract HIV.
A little perspective? I guess there are worse things in the world than foolishly losing a little money. Maybe losing your life is more important?
*edited to add: For the record I have two friends with HIV. So I am not insensitive to this.

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 6/14/2005 12:33:12 PM >

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 2:31:23 PM   
RosaB


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Status: offline 		Authentic,

You are very passionate about expressing your beliefs on the AIDS epidemic (as am I, I nursed a sibling through it) and I respect you for your passion. I just feel hate doesn't solve anything. If you wish to further discuss the matter, I'd be more than happy to do so in a separate thread. My first paragraph was the only part of my post that was intended as a response to what you had to say on the topic of AIDS. I didn't want to kidnap this thread to make it a discussion on infectious diseases.

Next time I'll place a header before I continue on to the next subject matter as not to confuse anyone as I ramble on.

Rosa

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 3:24:02 PM   
GoddessSasha


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Status: offline 		Thanks GoddessDustyGold

I shouldnt have let myself be drawn into a heated discussion that was nothing to do with the original post

I will try hard not to do that in future

love n hugs
Sasha
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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 7:34:22 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		Actually, Authentic was the one who began posting and went off on a tangent, but this sort of thing happens all the time. All the boys get off on Pro Domination and prostitution when this subject comes up.
Pushing it into an HIV/AIDS debate is a natural step and did allow Me to make a further point of the relative health safety of sending someone $50.00 and then whining on a message board.
So thank you!

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 8:19:34 PM   
Authentic


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Status: offline 		I subscribe to the ball pein hammer school of discussion board debate. I enjoy prying someone’s real opinion from then with a bit of overkill. Please do not shy away, it is so much better when tempers flare here, and people say what they truly feel. I respect someone far more for being forthright than I do being silent, for being honest than politically correct.



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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 8:25:22 PM   
Authentic


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Status: offline 		Actually, no, I was responding to a statement about prostitution and scams. And though you assumed with your comment about the "boys" that I was being critical of prostitution by women, actually male prostitutes controbute far more to the Aids epidemic, than do female prostitutes. It seems men transmit the virus more readily than can women. And pro-doms or dommes was mentioned only in the context of scams, or prostitution masquerading as pro-domination.

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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 9:01:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Authentic
actually male prostitutes controbute far more to the Aids epidemic, than do female prostitutes.


At the risk of dragging this thread off-topic, may I ask why you say that? Are you referring only to the developed nations or are you referring to the world wide HIV pandemic?

quote:

It seems men transmit the virus more readily than can women.


I am not sure about that. Globally, the number of men and women infected are about equal. Biologically, I am not sure if men are more infectious than women. But yes, behaviorally men are often behind the heterosexual spread of HIV.


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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 9:16:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it's a MASSIVE problem, and the predominant modes of infection vary from place to place. I remember reading an article arguing that in Africa, at least, systematic rape and promiscuity of migrant workers are two of the major causes. (It might take me a while to find it, because I don't remember the author or title, and I didn't take notes or anything.) So males certainly play a huge role. But I agree with you: I don't often hear that male prostitutes are a major source of male-female transmission.

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ORIGINAL: onceburned

I am not sure about that. Globally, the number of men and women infected are about equal. Biologically, I am not sure if men are more infectious than women. But yes, behaviorally men are often behind the heterosexual spread of HIV.


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RE: Money slaves?? - 6/14/2005 9:39:44 PM   
RosaB


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Status: offline 		Statistic I saw today in the paper for HIV by transmission in the US. Data compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

45% Male sex with male

27% high risk heterosexual contact

5% Male sex with male and injection drug use

22% injection drug use

1% unknown

Living with HIV by gender: 74% male, 26% Female.


One million Americans were living with HIV by end of 2003. It was stated in the article that there are more that 40,000 new diagnosis annually.


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