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KatyLied -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 7:48:56 AM)
Please. You have to be up early to give Level the shower/dry off/massage assist. You snooze; you lose.

maybemaybenot -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 7:54:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied Please. You have to be up early to give Level the shower/dry off/massage assist. You snooze; you lose. So does this mean we all will have to get up extra early when we are staying at Level's for the SB ? And are we expected to give him the dry off/massage assit when we are down there? I think I missed one of the memo's . [&:] mbmbn

velvetears -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 7:55:47 AM)
It's amazing how people want to see what they want to see. Happy posting dark *touches up the polishing on your halo".... this whole thread is done....

KatyLied -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 7:56:41 AM)
I figure for free room and board (yes, I'm assuming he'll buy us food too), there's gotta be a price to pay. YAY! SB party at Level's, many years from now. Wouldn't it be fun if we could pull it off?

KatyLied -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 7:58:20 AM)
http://www.amazon.com/Overcoming-Passive-Aggression-Spoiling-Relationships-Happiness/dp/1569243611/ref=tag_ti_title/102-9120608-8510523

RCdc -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 8:02:03 AM)
One. You don't touch the halo without prior permission. It's called 'invading personal space'. I call it non consensual - go figure. Two. If you missed the actual shower, I hear Level requires someone to do Laundry[;)] - either that or if your really good, you get to suck the towel.[:-] Three. If SB is at Levels, whos paying my airfare? Four. If we all pull at the same time, Katy, I am sure we can pull it off - but it might bring a tear to Levels eyes. Peace the.dark.

KatyLied -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 8:04:04 AM)
quote: If we all pull at the same time, Katy, I am sure we can pull it off - but it might bring a tear to Levels eyes. LOL. I swear I am not a sadist. But...I wonder if Level has a maso bone in his body. Hey, could be fun to find out.

juliaoceania -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 8:15:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied http://www.amazon.com/Overcoming-Passive-Aggression-Spoiling-Relationships-Happiness/dp/1569243611/ref=tag_ti_title/102-9120608-8510523 TY katy..this would make an excellent stocking stuffer for many of my relatives next Christmas, if I do not kill them first[:D]

domiguy -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 8:17:48 AM)
Another observation from the whiny school girl.....I got my first period this morning!!! Does this mean I'm now a whiny school woman? Anywhoooo my dearest velvet You chimed in to give an example of when you might step in if you thought some thing was "wrong.".... quote: velvetears i didn't give my specifc example for debate, i gave it to assit the op as people were asking her for examples. i thought of one, did you even try to put it in context to the original op angelic made, no, you never had any intention of doing so. My position on this thread the whole time can be summed up by this statement...... quote: whiny school girl Is you need to be specific as to what type of activities warrant your interference or help?.....It's fine to be outspoken and object to some advice given or someone's opinion on a forum. It is quite another to try to enforce your values upon others as to how they conduct their private lives. So you gave an example of how you inserted yourself into the situation at the BBQ, where you thought it was improper that children were present......And what did you do?...You confronted the parents and then left....End of story. Well almost the end of the story.....It isn't that you thought the children might be harmed....It isn't that you thought there might be a case to be made for child abuse....This is your reply.... quote: velvetears Should have i done more - turned them in let's say? i don't know - maybe if i was more involved on a daily basis i would have And you continued..... quote: velvetears those ums did not consent nor were they even near the age of consent.....i found allowing them to hear talk about masters and slaves, what their parents do in the bedroom, how they structured their relationship, being witness to the mother being flogged,caned, etc to be detrimental to those um's in a big way. i found it repugnent and child abuse. It seems that for someone who is not involved on a daily basis you know a great deal about these people.....If it is child abuse why did you do nothing? It's not that it might have beeen child abuse....You made yourself perfectly clear...But again you chose to do nothing but have a few words with the parents...And then leave.....Wow!!! So you are only going to help those you are involved with on a daily basis? Why didn't you call the cops or Family Services? Aileen posted this .....and your response is included.... quote: :Aileen68 Then you walk up to the hosts and tell them you are uncomfortable being in a place where chilren are exposed to bdsm items and then you leave. You really have no right to do anything else beyond that. quote: velvetears Basically that is what i ended up doing. Some people are mandated child abuse reporters and when they see abuse they are required by law to report it or they risk loosing their license. These parents talked about their ums witnessing bdsm (spanking, bondage, flogging) their parents engaged in. Let's say somehow this knowledge got to the authorities and they investigated it because they saw it as abuse and it was found out others were there who did not report it and were mandated to by law. Ok, so some people are mandated child abuse reporters....What relevance does this have to anything?...Who are they?...Were they at the "BBQ"? Are you a "mandated child abuse reporter?" So why didn't they report it? If they risk losing their license...What type of license would they be losing? And since this is clearly child abuse and you chose to do nothing except confront the parents...Does this make you at all an enabler or at all responsible when this obvious abuse manifests itself in away that is so damaging that it becomes irreparable? Since this is clearly child abuse...Won't someone else sooner or later report it? Won't all of these mysterious "mandated child abuse reporters" still have to face the fire at that time for doing nothing? Well I'm glad you chose to protect these "mandated child abuse reporters" over the children that you clearly believed were being abused....It's nice that you used your story to assist the op...Because both stories have a similiar ending in that you saw something illegal happening right before you and in both cases you did nothing..... What does that mirror have to say to you this morning? Maybe you need to buy a new mirror. The class clown removes both #2 pencils, one from each nostril, .....previews his post...and pushes "submit"...Which inevitably all of you betch ass subs sooner or later will..........Bow down to Domiguy!!! The whiny, bloody school girl does a splendid curtsey as she once again exits the thread.

maybemaybenot -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 8:18:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark Two. If you missed the actual shower, I hear Level requires someone to do Laundry[;)] - either that or if your really good, you get to suck the towel.[:-] Peace the.dark. I've been told, I suck a really mean towel. On my knees, of course. [;)] mbmbn

KatyLied -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 8:27:23 AM)
quote: On my knees, of course. At least you know your place....hehe

daddysprop247 -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 9:07:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears i doubt i will get an answer, but daddysprop if you are still here, what was the purpose of your disclosing information about your mental incompetancy and becoming a ward of your master legally. Did you get permission from him to post it since it included him in something many feel very uncomfortable about? Maybe i am just a suspicious, paranoid person but when someone admits "mental incompetance" then posts on and on about being unable to leave, real abuse they don't enjoy but endure, having things set up so that it is impossible for you to ever get away, being put through so much in the beginning you actually considered suicide... etc how can you not realistically expect others to have serious concerns/doubts/questions/problems, issues etc with what you post? Could it be a cry for help? Could it be a cry for attention? You tell us, maybe domiguy will sleep better tonight if he knows [&:] well, i do worry so much about domiguy, he's such a delicate, tender-hearted soul. :) velvetears, anything i post about openly on a message board is something my Master has given me permission to share. on the issue of him adopting me, i believe that one of the 2 or 3 posts he has made himself on collarchat (before it all just irritated him too much and he ran screaming for the hills lol), he divulged this information himself, so it is not a secret or something we feel the need to hide. although usually i am not permitted to elaborate on the subject or really discuss it in-depth (which is why the somewhat vague post about a week ago), he made an exception when he saw this thread because he thought some clarification might be useful. not that i would ever reveal all the minute details, just enough to be understood (hopefully?). regarding the other things i share here that some seem to have issue with, no it is certainly not a cry for attention and most definitely not a cry for help. those who pay attention can tell that i am at peace with my life, and very content with my Master. He has been a savior to me, and without a doubt his presence in my life has been the most wonderful thing that has ever happened to me. if anything i feel that he is the one who has it really tough, with all of my issue and hangups, and imo he deserves a far better slave. fortunately for me, he doesn't agree...at least not yet. [&:]

daddysprop247 -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 10:18:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin Fast reply... quote: We have taken the whole "your kink is ok/my kink is ok" thing to such an extreme that the fear of being labelled "intolerant" or "judgemental" has us at times turning our backs and keeping our mouths shut even as our stomachs turn in revolt. We allow the fear of not being seen as "politically correct" to override all of our common sense. Some may say that I am trying to justify intolerance. If it is opposed to limitless tolerance than yes, I guess I am. But I don't believe that in order to "belong" and be considered a member of this lifestyle we have to accept anything and everything that others do. There are some sick and twisted fucks who shamelessly take refuge under the umbrella that this lifestyle provides. They use this lifestyle and their self appointed titles to justify their abusive or dishonest behaviors, they act out their sick perversions and proudly defend them as being their "kink".... and if someone dares to cry foul they slap that "intolerant" trump card on the table. How dare that damned angelic think she is entitled to state her opinion. She must be one intolerant, judgmental cunt!!! She deserves to be belittled and mocked by other posters. She had the audacity to say that she sees something as WRONG....can you fucking believe that??? That is how this site kind of works...Yep, daddysprop is cause for concern....I imagine that many of the people on this site are much more immersed into the "lifestyle" than I....I don't go to dungeons attend munches or picnics...I have little desire to see all that goes on here....Everything that daddysprop has alluded to happening to her has happened to others out here willingly and consentually....there are threads about many of these topicsPussies sewn shut...toilet training and being used as a human toilet...needle play, breath restriction, K9, and on and on and fucking on and on.... Never once have I seen angelic take a stand. If you want to chase windmills be my guest...Again, if you want to help someone choose a person or group that first off could use the help and secondly welcomes it. All of this has nothing to do with helping people but more on the line of critcizing the choices they make because it doesn't hold up to your personal notions of what is right. Erin, you have at least tried to lay out some examples where your stepping in might be warranted...The op...Who started all of this has done nothing..But fall back and use the one example of daddysprop....What percentage of people who participate in bdsm have been ruled to be mentally incompetent? Where does the op draw the line? She has never answered the question and there have been only two things that she has posted in a 15 page thread that I can agree with her on.... quote: angelic i have zero problem being a nosey busibody. quote: angelic i am not as eloquent as many are here, nor am i as intelligent. I wish I would have stayed out of this thread....She is right, she isn't that intelligent...And I am less for trying to get my point across to someone like this. domiguy...i just want to thank you for injecting your particular flavor of truth, common sense and much needed humor in this thread. i gotta go with julia here, you're starting to grow on me as well. tho i'm not sure yet if that's a good or a bad thing....hmm

velvetears -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 11:41:24 AM)
Not a very astute domiclown now are we. This happend 10 years ago. i am talking about the situation from the past NOW. Ten years ago i did at the time what i felt was the right thing, my situation, life, thoughts, ideas, etc have changed. If you can't understand that i don't know what to tell you, ask one of your groupies. i am not answering any more of your senseless questions, if you really need asnwers try thinking a little as you go over the thread and read it a little more closely. Now *pinches his little cute red clown nose" go back in the corner and catch up on some reading or you are going to get detention. Pats his little head as he does as he's told.

mistoferin -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 11:49:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark erin and I have rarely agreed for example... we have drawn spoons on various posts - we have discussed and argued and plain ole disagreed (even to the point of fistiecuffs[;)]) - but by god she is one fine woman and I have the honour to call her my friend... Yeah and it's amazing that now we're in this really cool clique together. It's called the "We used to hate each other but it was way too much work so now we like each other" clique...lol.[;)] But seriously dark, I don't even know what to say....Wow!, thanks!

velvetears -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 11:51:10 AM)
Thank you daddysprop for the response. When i first read this thread it wasn't clear to me about the "mentally incompetant" issue as i had not read that thread. i am glad you are happy with your master, truly i am, but i hope you can also understand where some of the concern comes from. Maybe part of the problem is semantics here - for instance the word abuse. You do use it a lot in describing what happens to you. This tends to set alarms off in people when they hear the word. And just to give you an example, if i had ever told my ex master what i endured (he was a sadist) or experienced was abuse i would have been corrected, talked to and if i still felt it was abuse, i would have been sumarily released. "Abuse" is a loaded word with a lot of room for interpretation. You're an articulate young woman and always do a good job at explaining yourself. i know, as you know, we don't see eye to eye on many issues but your demeanor and civility impresses me.

RCdc -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 12:00:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark erin and I have rarely agreed for example... we have drawn spoons on various posts - we have discussed and argued and plain ole disagreed (even to the point of fistiecuffs[;)]) - but by god she is one fine woman and I have the honour to call her my friend... Yeah and it's amazing that now we're in this really cool clique together. It's called the "We used to hate each other but it was way too much work so now we like each other" clique...lol.[;)] But seriously dark, I don't even know what to say....Wow!, thanks! Haha... damn cliques get everywhere huh? Now if there was only a spray or summit that seperated cliques and stopped them reforming? 'Cliquebegone' mebbe? Wonder if we could patent it? Peace the.dark.

KatyLied -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 12:06:36 PM)
quote: 'Cliquebegone' mebbe? I like that. Do you know if Duncebegone is available? Because there are definitely some peeps who could benefit from a dousing of that.

domiguy -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 2:05:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears Not a very astute domiclown now are we. This happend 10 years ago. i am talking about the situation from the past NOW. Ten years ago i did at the time what i felt was the right thing, my situation, life, thoughts, ideas, etc have changed. If you can't understand that i don't know what to tell you, ask one of your groupies. i am not answering any more of your senseless questions, if you really need asnwers try thinking a little as you go over the thread and read it a little more closely. Now pinches his little cute red clown nose" go back in the corner and catch up on some reading or you are going to get detention. Pats his little head as he does as he's told. I owe you an apology....It was 10 yrs ago this happened....I missed that part of your post.....However, I'm beginning to see a pattern..... Paraphrasing Velveeta: I went to a picnic....and someone brought their um's. Darcyandthedark: If it was a picnic, I probably would have brought my kids Velveeta: Did I say picnic....It was more like a BBQ...held at a private home. Whiny, slutty school girl: Gosh my kids love to go to BBQ's....I still don't understand why you were upset? Velveeta: Did I say it was a BBQ? It was a dungeon....A horrible Dungeon!!! Covered in scat!!!! It seems that you tend to add things on a whim to your story to try and strengthen your position.....Since it was 10 yrs ago the whiny, slutty school girl, her neck covered with hickeys, does all she can not to giggle* How are the kids?....You remember....The ones that were abused ten years ago...How is life treating them nowadays? You could use some help.....Maybe dadysprop,mentally impaired as she is, could offer you some writing techniques that might pevent these types of misunderstandings from transpiring again in the future. She seems to be able to articulate a point with much more accuracy....I think she still might be willing to help you. * The whiny, slutty school girl sees the class clown and runs up to him and says, "Hey Mr.! Wanna give me a ride to the forest preserve?" The class clown says, "Little girl, how old are you?" Whiny school girl replies, "I'm eighteen." (obviously lying) The class clown looks over both shoulders to see if anyone is around, but fails to notice Domiguy who has heard the entire conversation...The class clown stares at the whiny school girl and motions towards his car and says "Let's go.".....Domiguy, apalled and outraged by what he has just witnessed, jumps into his car and follows the Class clown and the Whiny school girl to the forest preserve to make sure that they both arrived there safely.*

cjenny -> RE: When is enough, enough…..or where does acceptance end? (6/20/2007 2:14:39 PM)
But but what does domiguy DO after he follows them into the forest preserve? Does domiguy take pics? Or does domiguy call the police about the naughty nudity?

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