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TEMPERANCE -> Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 3:35:57 PM)

Im curious to know how Masters view submissives that are fiesty and confident women.

I have often read that Dominants enjoy the challenge of a submissive that is not a naturally a submissive individual... it has often been descibed as exciting and well worth the challenge when the submission is finally gained.  However, in reality... it does not appear to be as such.  Im aware of several submissives that fit the lable of 'fiesty' and experience great difficulty in the search for a Master.

It would seem that some Masters feel threathened by the percieved dominance of the submissive and others just feel that the time and effort required maybe just a little too much.... i would be most interested in how others view this.

Thank you

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imthatacheyouhav -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 3:39:43 PM)

Oh God i  hope not...LOL..Master seems to not only love my fiestyness...but He welcomes it...i guess its part of my charm....LOL



Cloudz -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 3:42:51 PM)

I have no interest in Dominating a dishrag - fiesty definately has it's place...yes that place is frequently at my feet...



slaverosebeauty -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 3:44:55 PM)

I'm fiesty and ornrey and playfull and confidant and and spritied and untamed in some ways. MJ likes it, if not, He would change it. Past partners have enjoyed it as well. I think its a great thing to be that spirited, yet, knowing 'when' its approprate is another thing.
 
I can stand on my own 2 feet when I want to and when neccessary, at the same measure, I can lean on MJ and give up control. Being fiesty is one of my more pleasureable traits.



kyraofMists -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 3:58:11 PM)

As long and fiesty and confident do not equal disobedient, then he enjoys it.  There is a time and place for playfulness and he would be displeased if Alandra and I chose the wrong time and place to exercise our wit.

Knight's Kyra



Powerman40 -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 4:11:37 PM)

I'll take fiesty and confident any day, in fact, I prefer it.



sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 4:36:22 PM)

Daddy loves it that i'm fiesty, opinionated, confident, and stubborn ...He doesn't expect me to change either for Him because He's Dom and i'm submissive.



HeavansKeeper -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 4:56:25 PM)

I've told My Pet a few times that if I wanted her to be simple and be a robot, I could hammer out her soul.  Maybe I could, maybe I couldn't... The point is, I don't want to try.  There are times when I want her to be very obedient, and not question me and my judgment.  There are other times when I want her to be relaxed.  I try hard to nurture and support her acting the way I want, when I want.  Sometimes it clashes, it usually doesn't. 

If you take 1,000 submissives and (magically) train them to all be 100% obedient all the time, the only differences will be natural eye, hair, and skin color.  How boring.  If you take 1,000 submissives at current state, you'll have 1,000 different people.  Much better, in my opinion.

Fiesty, strong, and confident (and needing to be tamed) is fine... but there is a time for it.  (Typing that made me laugh, it felt like saying "Feminism is ok... but only when men say so.")  =P



kyraofMists -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 5:19:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper
If you take 1,000 submissives and (magically) train them to all be 100% obedient all the time, the only differences will be natural eye, hair, and skin color.  How boring.  If you take 1,000 submissives at current state, you'll have 1,000 different people.  Much better, in my opinion.


Being obedient does not make me exactly like any other submissive who is also obedient.  I can think of a couple of slaves on this board who are as obedient to their masters as I am to mine and yet we are very different people.  Even Alandra and I who are obedient to the same Master are both very different people.  So obedience does not equate to boring in our relationship.

Knight's Kyra



ADom442 -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 5:42:17 PM)

quote:

HeavansKeeper wrote:

If you take 1,000 submissives and (magically) train them to all be 100% obedient all the time, the only differences will be natural eye, hair, and skin color.  How boring.


This caught my eye.  I don't think being 100% obedient has to mean that all submissives would be the same because obedience (or obeisance, which I value more than obedience) doesn't diminish a person's individuality.  Granted, it would if the person being obeyed didn't allow their partner to express their obedience (or obeisance) AND their individuality, but that would mean the submissive partner would have been conquered rather than having their obedience (or obeisance) appreciated as well as their individuality. 

By the way, I love the statement, "Feminism is ok... but only when men say so."  I got a good laugh from it.




Dane -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 5:56:02 PM)

"Feisty" and "disobedient" are two very different things. If someone is claiming to want to be controlled but throwing up constant arguments and backtalk, yes, that will get old after a while. It would make me wonder whether she actually meant that she had a take-down or brat fetish. Feistiness is a pleasure if it means cooperating when cooperation is needed, and joking and fooling around when it's seen to be appealing instead of tiresome or out of place.



Danka1888 -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 6:03:10 PM)

Fiesty girls are more fun. I can stuff my cock in their sassy mouths.



KnightofMists -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 6:16:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TEMPERANCE

I have often read that Dominants enjoy the challenge of a submissive that is not a naturally a submissive individual... it has often been descibed as exciting and well worth the challenge when the submission is finally gained.  However, in reality... it does not appear to be as such.  Im aware of several submissives that fit the lable of 'fiesty' and experience great difficulty in the search for a Master.


mmmmm well that has not been my experience.... I have seen very very few submissives that equate to fiesty and confident having trouble finding a Master.  But.. I have seen alot of apparent submissives that equate to disrespectful bratty disobedient individuals having trouble finding someone.  When the clothes don't fit... well it is rather obvious.

quote:


It would seem that some Masters feel threathened by the percieved dominance of the submissive and others just feel that the time and effort required maybe just a little too much.... i would be most interested in how others view this.



of course you missed a few other possibilities... like the person isn't submissive in the first place.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 6:33:17 PM)

I like feisty...I like elegance and wit more.



MagiksSlave -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 6:35:56 PM)

Master incurages my fiestyness and playfullness and even my opinionated stubborn side, as long as Im always obiediant and my only words are "yes Master" when he orders me to do something, all is well with the world!!

Magik's slave



junecleaver -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 6:37:04 PM)

I don't know.  I'm not very fiesty and my Dom likes me.  I think he would like me whether I was fiesty or not though.  I see A LOT of Doms who appreciate fiestiness in a submissive.



Celeste43 -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 6:37:43 PM)

Probably a lot of doms feel threatened by feistiness. Probably a lot just don't have the energy for that after a long day.

But what does it matter? You aren't searching for lots of doms, just the right one.

Me? If I'm passive and quiet and obedient, he knows something's wrong. That's how I am when feeling insecure. He enjoys me being more secure, able to express myself and my true feelings instead of hiding everything. And as I said, it only matters to me what he thinks, not what all the others do.

However I do know people who claim to be searching for relationships yet set up impassible road blocks. If someone is hostile, expecting a prince to scale her walls, then she shouldn't be surprised if her own hostility seems to be too much trouble for anyone to get through. So are they feisty and fun or are they contentious and always on the offense?



robertolapiedra -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 7:17:34 PM)

Hello Temperance. Yes, a relationship with feisty confident "submissive" women is more than possible, as long as they are disciplined, respectful and act their age. A "smart ass brat" can be "feisty" and "confident" also.

When you say "submissive that is not naturally submissive"? Would you really accept to "submit" to a dominant that is not "naturally" dominant? I find this very exceptional.

I know "some" women enjoy the "image" of the "threatened" dom by "submissive female dominance". I find this control issue in a relationship to be an annoyance, at most an irritant but a threat? Do you really think, some "doms" are that affraid of a little topping? I have not met one single dominant "threatened"  by this... RL.



MzMia -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 8:16:42 PM)

I am enjoying this thread and robertolapiedra you gave me something to think about
as usual!!!!



octavia -> RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? (6/19/2007 9:08:47 PM)

Pfft.

And I quote:
"the ones like you are having to deal with are the worst submissives until they become the best. "
[:D][:D][:D] 

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