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Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 1:31:52 AM

slaveofKaos

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My Master just bought a shock collar like the kind you put on a dog and he wants to use it on me. I'm kinda scared and i'm wondering if any Masters have ever used it on theres slaves or if any slaves have ever had it used on them. I'm wonder if it was efective or had a bad effect? I would love any and all comments, advice, and stories. Thank you .

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 2:07:00 AM

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In no way belittling your Master, but he should try the collar on himself first. He would be remiss in using a tool that he doesn't grasp the effect of. Electricity is a funny thing.

I know for a fact that repeated electrical pulses cause holes in muscle tissue (which heal in a matter of weaks, leaving the muscle more dense as a function of scar tissue.) I also know dogs have furry necks. The contact points and settings of an electrical collar must be taken into consideration, as 'High' for a dog might be inhumane for even a misbehaving slave. Repeated shocks could burn the skin, an interesting story if you happen to have a job where they'd question it. I'm not sure about that, and I don't THINK it would be a problem. He'd know if he zapped himself on the neck with it.

Electric shock causes muscles to contract. If the pulse is sustained, it could theoretically keep your windpipe choked off while the charge is active. This would be a non-factor for a milisecond jolt, but if he plans to shock you for sustained amounts of time, consider it.

All that said, I have heard of people who use electric collars for training. Youtube has tons of videos featuring idiots testing shock collars, but none in a serious BDSM sense. As a personal note, if it feels like catching a left-hook in the neck, you do NOT want it.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 3:25:54 AM

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You should check with SF Leather Daddy Richard Sprott. Google his name and you'll find him. I don't have his contact info but he uses shock collars for his human puppies. I think they are a generic readily available dog brand and have a remote control. If anyone knows he would. Him or Uncle Abdul.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 5:55:18 AM

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There is a guy that makes shock collars especially for people. It is a little bulky, but I had him e-mail me a short video of it in use ( on himself ) and am thinking seriously about getting one.

http://www.cuff24.com/

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 7:32:17 AM

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I use one on my boy, and have been using it for about a year. He is required to wear it when we go out to the bars or events. This is around his balls (not the place you would be wearing it) with the rest of the collar with the antenna into running down his leg. I don't really use it for punishment, just guidance or if we are out someplace and he is off somewhere and I want him. Sometimes I do use it for entertainment, he looks so cute hopping around when I hit the button. I can tell you that it not that bad even up on the highest setting, as I have let him have my remote control while playing with my violet wand elsewhere on him and it goes from the setting I normally use to the highest in a heartbeat. The first time I did this, he killed the battery he was pressing so often.

If you would like to talk with him about it, message me and I will give you his email and YIM or AIM info.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 3:54:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveofKaos

My Master just bought a shock collar like the kind you put on a dog and he wants to use it on me. I'm kinda scared and i'm wondering if any Masters have ever used it on theres slaves or if any slaves have ever had it used on them. I'm wonder if it was efective or had a bad effect? I would love any and all comments, advice, and stories. Thank you .

This may not be the answer you are looking for but the last time I saw a subby eagerly showing off a shock collar, it was a guy, it had been modified for the balls like SirMike suggested, and it was going to be used on him. We have some local radio "shock jocks" who were playing "shock collar trivia" (among themselves but on air), so I have to guess it is marginally safe, but the legal and corporate suits came down and made them stop so I have to guess it isn't entirely safe. "Mouse trap trivia", the replacement where you get your fingers closed in a mousetrap when you get wrong answer isn't nearly as funny.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 4:27:26 PM

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Thanks everyone, for sharing your experiences and knowlege for my slave's sake. She's been nervous about me getting it to train her with, but it's not my first time to use such a device for training. One of collarme's sponsors sells much more high power versions of what I have for "doggie training" and so on, and you can see them on extremerestraints for sale. The one I got it for toy breeds, so it's quite compact and moderate in power, but as she has a very low pain threshold it should be plenty.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 8:21:03 PM

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In a word...
Fun.

:) The only downside is aparently I make really crazy faces and when it is high enough I will kick or stomp my foot. A submissive friend of mine laughed so hard while I was in one that she peed herself a little and had to go change drawers.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 8:43:44 PM

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I love my shock colalr. I have never used it around the neck though. Like others have stated I use it on guys and adapt it to go around the cock and balls. Fun times.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/21/2007 9:50:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirMIkeSD

I use one on my boy, and have been using it for about a year. He is required to wear it when we go out to the bars or events. This is around his balls (not the place you would be wearing it) with the rest of the collar with the antenna into running down his leg. I don't really use it for punishment, just guidance or if we are out someplace and he is off somewhere and I want him. Sometimes I do use it for entertainment, he looks so cute hopping around when I hit the button. I can tell you that it not that bad even up on the highest setting, as I have let him have my remote control while playing with my violet wand elsewhere on him and it goes from the setting I normally use to the highest in a heartbeat. The first time I did this, he killed the battery he was pressing so often.

If you would like to talk with him about it, message me and I will give you his email and YIM or AIM info.

Mike

Okay this sounds really hot, I am looking into this.
Thanks SirMike :)

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 7:12:50 AM

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MzMia,

Glad I could give you an idea :-) The one I use is from www.petsafe.net They have models for 1, 2, or 3 boys the thing to keep in mind is that there is no power difference between the small, medium or large dog model, BUT there is a difference in the length of the fixed part of the collar so if you get anything but a small it will not fit if you plan to use it around the cock and balls.

Mike

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 7:53:47 AM

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We've used dog shock collars for a few decades in slave training, they are fun, reasonably safe and very versityle. They are effective for both male and female genitilia, although we normally remove the prongs for the girls and connect tens unit style pads for connecting to skin, the prongs work well mashed into testicals or the base of the cock.
If the master has little experience with electrical play there are lots of reading materials available on line or thru books like those written by Uncle Abdul but we would reccommend finding an experienced mentor to get started. Remember that each slaves tolerance and conductivity varies day to day, always start out on lowest settings, use conductive gel, test the entire system on yourself first and keep a sense of humor.
Everyone who has used shock collars as a "call bell" likely has stories of slaves running about hopping and screaming "where is Mistress, where is Mistress"... great fun!

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 7:54:22 AM

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Mike, I have an Innotek that has 4 settings of various strength of shock and 2 tones. It is several years old. When perusing the pet store lately, I have seen many other different models with more tones and more zap settings. Could you link me to your exact one you use and give some more detail to "ouch factor" for each of the settings. I am doing some comparison shopping ;)

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 7:58:49 AM

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One of my funniest scenes was during a Christmas party where I assigned each zap and tone to something different. Zap 1 meant I needed him there, 2 was a drink, tone 1 he had to drop everything and sing a xmas carol, tone 2 he had to do a dance, etc.

The slave had to differentiate between the zaps (not as easy as it may seem) and do what was ordered. If he got it wrong he got a 3 and got it wrong again a 4.

We added to it by passing around the remote so he not only had to do it but had to guess which dominant was holding the controls. It was absolutely hilarious, we were laughing all night and the slave had a great time too. All in good fun.

The other one I enjoyed was the well timed zap when he excused himself to go to a public restroom when we were out one afternoon.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 8:31:56 AM

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MsKat,

The one I have is http://www.petsafe.net/training/deluxe_little_dog.php As for the effect at each setting, that I can not help you with, there are a couple of factors that effect the zap. For one the strength of the contact it is making with the boy at the time, also if it's real warm and he is sweating then the contact is stronger also. The collar unit is water-proof So to provide you with this would be very hard. It does have 10 settings so you could use everyother one to set them apart. There is also a tone, the tone is not loud enough to hear when out in public and under jeans, so I don't use that.

I am looking at getting one of the newer models that can handle 2 or 3 boys. Just not sure if I want the 2 boy model that is good for 3/4 of a mile (I have not needed this distance, but I like the idea) or the 3 boy model that is good for I think 400 yards. The single boy model that I have now is good for 300 yards and boy has never been out of range.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 8:33:27 AM

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Sorry I got my yards and feet confussed. The reference to 400 and 300 yards should be 400 and 300 feet.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 8:43:43 AM

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Thanks :)

The picture I am looking at looks like the unit is a lot wider than the one I have. Any issues with comfort, ability to walk normally? Maybe the picture is also deceiving

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 9:01:07 AM

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MsKat,

I think that picture makes it look bigger than it is. It's good size (has to be for the batteries and electronics), but boy walks about just fine and we have done a bit of walking with it on him. There have been times that boy has needed to adjust it so it is sitting correctly but really it is not a problem. If there was any issues with fit or comfort my boy would let me know (this I am sure of) or I would notice something in his walk, etc.

Mike

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 9:03:58 AM

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The safety of a collar around the neck is somewhat questionable...I have seen countless threads on this all over the place, and it generally falls into three main categories:
1: Using shocks above the waist is not safe
2: Using shocks above the waist is safe, I do it with my subs all the time
3: It's probably safe, but since we aren't heart doctors, you better check before you try it.

Now, unless someone would care to show the long term study by a doctor that shows that repeated small shocks around a person's neck do not cause long term damage, I would definitely err on the side of caution and use shock training devices somewhere below the belt...say, around a leg, on the genitilia, in the anus as a plug... The thing is, it is far more safe to use it on any of those places, because of how important a person's neck is. As someone mentioned, the muscles for the windpipe are in it...do you really want to risk having them clench down and spasm? Breath play to a whole new level, you could say. Then there is the fact that several important nerves run through the neck and spinal cords from the brain down into the rest of the body...including the one that helps keep your heart beating normally. Nobody except an expert such as a doctor would know exactly what affect such shocks would have on distrupting that nerve, but they could certainly also tell you that heart rhythm problems can easily go unnoticed for a long time, so if a shock started to affect your heartbeat, you would never notice, allowing the problem to get worse with repeated exposure to the shocks.

Dog shock collars are used on dogs because dogs are not humans, their neck is built differently. Their nerves are deeper in the body and more protected, and they have a layer of fur over this. Humans are not dogs, and are not comparable to any breed. Lastly, the chances of a company or dog owners being brought to court over the hazard of long term exposure to collar shocks, or having a pet die from them is a much more acceptable risk to these companies than having a human suffer similar fates.

My advice is, find a way to use this somewhere besides the person's neck, and have fun past that. It's a small chance this could cause harm, but wouldn't you rather take next to zero chance over a small, but very possible one?

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 9:34:32 AM

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ohhh.... thanks guys for a good idea. I would not use on the boy's neck, worried about the dangers, but will have to look into it for elsewhere. *purrs*

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