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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 1:01:33 PM

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MzMia,

Glad I could give you an idea :-) The one I use is from www.petsafe.net They have models for 1, 2, or 3 boys the thing to keep in mind is that there is no power difference between the small, medium or large dog model, BUT there is a difference in the length of the fixed part of the collar so if you get anything but a small it will not fit if you plan to use it around the cock and balls.

Mike

Thank you for the link Mike, learning and sharing ideas benefits so many of us.
Thanks again for helping to expand my kink knowledge base.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 3:28:02 PM

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Hello slaveof Kaos. If it is a "dog collar" ? Dogs have insulation (hair) and do not sweat (conductivity). If it is a human shock collar? what is a tingle for one is a big shock to another. Test the collar on the inside of your forearm. Be it dog or other type collar.

Dog collars are easy to modify for "custom" shock value. Find someone to adjust capacitance for you if you do not know how to do it.

I would recommend custom made "human shockcollar" if affordable.

Play safe. RL.

Edit: paragraph insert.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 6:21:12 PM

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One difference worth noting is that there tends to be more muscle around a dog’s neck than a human’s putting more space between the shock and the nerves.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 6:31:07 PM

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If the master has little experience with electrical play there are lots of reading materials available on line or thru books like those written by Uncle Abdul but we would reccommend finding an experienced mentor to get started.

I actually went to his class this spring at Edges. I haven't read his book, but I found him to be very well informed about the way electricity works. He plays a little lighter than I do if his demonstration is an indication of his usual way he does things, but he's a cool guy. People tend to consider me a heavy top, though of course I prefer job title "Master" but who says "Heavy Master"? People start talking about who is twue when a Master is at all edgy, what is abusive, and then there you go you're on the internet (it seems to happen most there, and the term "Top" is less used)! Methinks my slave doth fear too much. New experiences should be fun and exciting, not omg are we going to die?! I've never had someone so afraid as she often seems to be. I wonder what can be done to prevent that reaction? I was actually surprised to see her post on here, as I knew she was nervous but didn't realize how fearful she is.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 6:44:04 PM

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The safety of a collar around the neck is somewhat questionable...I have seen countless threads on this all over the place, and it generally falls into three main categories:
1: Using shocks above the waist is not safe
2: Using shocks above the waist is safe, I do it with my subs all the time
3: It's probably safe, but since we aren't heart doctors, you better check before you try it.

1=false, this is a myth my slave has heard as well
2=not exactly accurate
3=It's edge play and poses potential heart risk, but this can be minimized and understood

The class I mentioned had a good summary of what the situation is, and in fact, I was the only one who was able to define it before the teacher did. As I recall, he is an electrical engineer or something similar. I have an electronics background as well. The way I put it in his class:

The body is like a gigantic parallel circuit. Current will pass across the path with the least resistance for the most part, however, as if you have a high ohm resistor in parallel with a low ohm resistor, most of the current passes across the low ohm path but a tiny bit will also be present on the high ohm path. You could pass current from one toe to the next, on the same foot, and there will be minute amounts of current passing across the top of your head. It's largely academic, but it helps a person to understand why the risk has little to do with a person’s waist. People don't turn ceramic at the waist line

You want to be totally safe? Don't play with electricity. Also, be very gentle when having bowel movements, blowing your nose, and stand up carefully. All those things could lead to severe injury (it's actually true). You done being overly safe and ready to live?

If you play with electricity, try to avoid putting the two points of electrical contact in a direct line on opposite sides of the heart. You know how they use paddles to wake the dead in the ER? Well, putting pads or contacts in a location close to that isn't ideal so avoid that placement.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 6:50:07 PM

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I would recommend custom made "human shockcollar" if affordable.

Don't tempt me, I've considered having a 24/7 wearable collar with the shock feature made. Presently I'm considering those nice Stun Belts they use in courtrooms and with prisoners, perhaps wired up to genital piercings. Mmm that'll keep her fun bits toasty warm. Ok maybe that would be a little extreme, but I've wondered about using piercings wired to somthing less powerful like an obedience collar. That's why tasers work so well, they don't have to pass through the skin and subcutaneous fat to get to the muscles and nerves that really respond to the juice. The stun belts though, wow! That'd be hardcore! Anyone have $1k to spare for one though?

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 11:25:04 PM

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Best way to keep the bottom from being fearful? Educate...find a demo or a book or even sites on the internet that explain how these things work and how to be safe. After a bad experience with a top who didn't know what he was doing, i learned, it's my job to be educated about whatever play i'm taking part in....i trust my Master completely, but when we're going to try something I haven't done before, i educate myself on the proper procedures, risks, etc....and if something is done differently than what i have read or seen...He has no problem with me questioning it....i bear responsibility in protecting His property just as much as He does. I've done some electrical play before, although not a shock collar yet (He's waiting until i have my next set of piercings done to do that....hood and labia)....the first time it scared the crap out of me. I spent years in a job where I regularly had the opportunity to do electrical play on people....defibrillators...and knew what they do....they don't start the heart, they stop it and then you get to stand there and HOPE the heart restarts itself in a regular rhythm (and if not, you say OH CRAP and start pounding on the chest)...those shows ya see where they say "FLATLINE, DEFIBRILLATE" are highly inaccurate, it only works if the heart still has it's electrical activity.
Anyway...most of the people i know who do Demos regularly, tend not to give you the "full show" of the way they play either...handing someone a pound of knowledge before they've digested the first ounce is not a wise idea...and a lot of people get the "I've seen it demo'd so i know how it's done" attitude and the presenters know how dangerous this can be. We've discussed getting an Erostek to play with....i watched it demo'd a year ago at a gathering...OMG I was in love...had a friend there that had one and i got a taste of it....I'm DEFINITELY in love....but when we do get one, we have another friend that has one and is very versed in its use that is going to let us visit and show us how it is used....i can't wait!!!!

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/22/2007 11:43:36 PM

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Hello akbarbarian. If anyone is curious about the "effects" of dog collars on humans, just go on "you tube" and look it up. You will find many vids demonstrating the effects of "maximum setting" shock. Some guys are even knocked down.

That is why I recommend mods by someone familiar with electronics to reduce capacitance. I would not leave the remote with it's dial level feature operational. I would have it at one setting only. (maybe two, as lowest level could be used as a "warning"?)

As I said. It is much better to have one custom build ($$$) with proper safety features (no "accidental" knob turning to maximum).

Another thing, "bark mode" collars are not a very good idea worn as is. There should be a disable feature (power source and capacitor cut off, as some people keep "vocalizing" after first shock and get multiples!)

As I said before, play safe. RL.

Edit: Forgot one word.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/23/2007 12:03:43 PM

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Never used one on a human. I've used them for dog training in another life, moons ago.

The collars I remember had settings for strength. A screw you had to access after opening the case.

I'd test it on an arm or leg before attaching to the neck as sweat and lack of hair would change dynamics from being on a dog.

Before I was comfortable using a shock collar on an animal, I tried it on myself. Strapped it on a leg and tried different settings.

Lowest setting... Yep, I noticed that.
Highest setting... Muscles jumped and I would have stumbled if walking.

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/23/2007 1:35:55 PM

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I would have it at one setting only. (maybe two, as lowest level could be used as a "warning"?)

As I said. It is much better to have one custom build ($$$) with proper safety features (no "accidental" knob turning to maximum).

Another thing, "bark mode" collars are not a very good idea worn as is. There should be a disable feature (power source and capacitor cut off, as some people keep "vocalizing" after first shock and get multiples!)

That's facinating on the bark collars. I had often wondered if they would work on humans and now apparently I have some confirmation. Do you have any resources or references on this? It sounds like a very nifty electronic gag.

The one I have reccomends a minimum of 3lb dog size. While there are differences in dog anatomy, fur, and hide, 3lbs versus human weight is pretty major. Caution is great, but I'm not going to err on the side of it till I fall asleep due to watering it down too much. It also has 4 settings, no dial.

http://petsafe-warehouse.com/dogtrainingcollars/innotek_SD-70.htm

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RE: Shock collars ??? - 6/24/2007 12:13:33 AM

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I altered a cell phone hip carrier to hold the collar, so it can be inside the waistline and worn in full public as the prongs go through small holes I cut in the carrier. Yay! It works quite well.

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