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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 6/23/2007 12:29:23 AM   
liks2plzlf


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Damn!! That  would certainly put one in a tpe. Exciting, yet somewhat frightening.

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 6/23/2007 1:02:08 AM   
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littlesar,
 
Just so you know, I did read your story.  In fact, I found it a much better read than the supposed 'contract'.


Thank you. At least someone reads what I write.


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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 6/23/2007 8:27:33 AM   
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Wow, what a nightmare.  I am glad you realized this was not for you and she was unable to ruin your reputation in the community.  Hell hath no fury and all that.

You are really a gem.  I hope you can find someone who is perfect for you.  You deserve it.

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 6/24/2007 2:50:26 AM   
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To all respondents:
 
I wish to thank you all for responding. I wish futher to give special thanks to those of you who gave sane, sensible, mature responses. I wanted and also value your input. I was not going to accept this contract in its present state. It was sent to me out of the blue by a lady. I have not yet responded back though she as sent to messages asking me to do so. I also believe that the contract is  bordering upon the realms of  fantasy and is also a risk to my health in some aspects. Armed with your input to go along with my response I can contact her and point out certtain concernsand ask her many pertinent questions.

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 6/24/2007 3:42:34 AM   
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A lady sent it to you?

It must be doing the rounds then, as I received the exact same wording on the other side about ten minutes before your OP, sent to me as a mail from an aspiring slave, which is why my response (post 2) reads as it does.

Funny old world

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 6/30/2007 7:30:08 PM   
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It sounds to me that it was ritten by a sub as a fanticy

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 6/30/2007 8:10:29 PM   
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This contract must be going around. I was sent it two days ago, by a self-proclaimed 'real slave' who I subsequently ended up blocking shortly afterwards, if that gives you any indication. My advice would be to never take any preprinted standard contract "off the rack" like a cheap suit. If you and your partner can't or don't want to come up with one entirely on your own, find one or two that do interest you, take what points are valid and relevant to you and your particular situation and use it as a foundation for one that is tailored to your needs. Toss out what is just plain rediculous and what doesn't suit you and add in what does. Good luck.

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 6/30/2007 8:13:28 PM   
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the spelling in that contract is atrocious.

probably only typed with the finger of one hand, many pauses.

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/1/2007 12:51:54 AM   
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I think these types of contracts are crap anyway, this one is the King Kong of reasons why I have never liked them lol.

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/1/2007 8:25:17 AM   
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Although a slave contract is not legally binding, it does help to remind those who signed it exactly what they agreed to in the first place.  This is also true for contracts in the vanilla world, especially between friends when money is involved.

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/1/2007 9:11:05 AM   
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trustee:

My first gut reaction to this post was 'OY VEY!', until I decided to read the content of the 'contract'.

Rather than pop off to what seems to be a sincere request for input, I'll ask you what you're trying to accomplish here.

Are you trying to submit a contract to a Domme to offer yourself to Her in long term service?  If so, you have some good ideas in this contract that would personally move Me deeply if My sub made an effort to begin writing a contract such as this.

Usually, the Domme in question, (see some of the replies you received) will have a contract that She uses for a serious submissive. 

If you've taken the time to write these thoughts, show them to your Domme and ask Her what she thinks of your effort, ask her to edit it and discuss the points you've written down here.

I think you might stimulate some deep discussions about a great many topics touched upon in this draft.

Give it some thought, a few discussions, edit, re-edit until you work up something you both feel is valid and true.

Good luck.

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/1/2007 9:22:46 AM   
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I don't have alot to say about this particular drivel except that I agree with all the others that find it to be carp.


Goldfish?

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/1/2007 9:25:16 AM   
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Fast reply:

To any who have responded with a categorical dismissal of the OP's submission in writing of the specimen contract, I encourage you to re-read it.  Only the first paragraph is really bullshit.  The rest may have some validity if you believe in sigantures and dates.

Yours,


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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/1/2007 11:17:24 AM   
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Contracts explain rights and responsibilities of both parties. Nowhere did I see any of her responsibilities listed.

I'd run, not walk, from someone who clearly didn't have my best interests at heart.

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/1/2007 11:32:28 AM   
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I actually went back and started to read it (searching for internet porn was too much work, but it wasn't even hot) and thought it was hilarious.

The Mistress owns the slave, mind, body, heart for all eternity.
She can change the agreement whenever she wants.
He has no say in anything, ever.
(Pretty grand aspirations and a good setup for other draconian measures, no?)
And then stuff like:
She can keep him  naked if she wants.
He has to cantact her daily.
He has to kiss her feet.

I can just picture it now.  Slave signs, and Mistress decides that his new name will be spanky.

"No, Mistress.  Many other things were agreed on, but you can't change my name.  Besides, kiss your feet?  What the fuck?  I would never have agreed if I had known you can abuse me!"

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/8/2007 4:56:56 PM   
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well :regardless of any aprehensions you come up with ;it's certainly an honor to receive such an agreement ,but, if i may have permission to ask:
what about the part in the contract that says a slaves' body maybe altered ,w/out consent or warning ,so what if that means your legs are lopped off or something and ,you wake up a permanent ottoman ?, or boxed ,on the shelf ,or living in a suitcase literally???(literally down - sized )......
don't you get foreplay,? and the chance to say:
we are thru ;forget this; i know you'd ,only dump me afterwards! ,or something ?...and,
the money part -
i hope i'd have so much money she'd feel comfortable ,and very happy ,or ,that's some more shit you have to anticipate;she's not happy taking your little bit of money away and there's more payback for that little misfortune you handed her
and ,futhermore:
contracts like this- sure can make you feel ''SPECIAL'', but ,
what if it's just one of those  formal '' standard-form -statements'', and, after you sign it -you see a barn full ,w/ tons of slaves, in your place!
so ....
,outside ,of those three little things: i'd say -sure- go for it ! ....same as any marriage contract ,just a matter of degree,that's all !
much congrats and very  happy days, slavo,!
it's a trophy ,or rather : a certificate of worship you can probably treasure for the rest of your life .
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ORIGINAL: trustee

Most of us know that a slave contract is not a legally binding document and that it is binding in honor only. Given the serious nature of many Dominant and submissive relationships contracts are often drawn up for moral, psychological, emotional, physiological reasons in order to set the parameters and give a sense of purpose and belonging.

What do Dominant ladies think of this specimen contract please? It was send to me  two weeks ago and appears draconian in its content. Advice would be welcome to help me decide if I should go ahead and accept or reject the document.

CONTRACT OF OWNERSHIP AND VOLUNTARY SUBJEGATION

This contract is made between……………………………………..hereinafter referred to as slave &……………………………………………. .hereinafter referred to as Mistress. This contract is for life and runs in continuity from the date of signing; it can only be terminated by the Mistress. Terms & conditions 1) The slave agrees to become and remain the property of the Mistress indefinitely. 2) The term property shall have the following definitions:- a) The slave shall cease to exist as a human entity and shall become a mere animate creature and a possession of the Mistress. b) The slave’s body shall become the property of the Mistress. The slave shall have no rights over his own body other than those granted by the Mistress. The Mistress may use the slave body in any way she chooses whether for her own personal pleasure or the pleasure of others should She so decide. c) The slaves mind shall become the property of the Mistress in as much that she may demand to know the thoughts of the slave at time she chooses. d) All of the slave’s property and or assets shall be under the control of the Mistress. e) All aspects of the slave’s life shall be the property of the Mistress. The Mistress will have full control over the personal life of the slave be that financial sexual or other. f) The slave agrees to the removal of all body hair and to be pierced tattooed and /or branded if required by the Mistress. g) The slave shall be devoid of freedom, human rights and civil liberties in perpetuity. 3) The Mistress reserves the right to alter/modify or completely change any term, condition, rule or regulation set out in agreement without prior notice or consultation with the slave. 4) The slave agrees to abide by the rules and regulations set out in this agreement at all times. Rules & regulations 5) When not with the Mistress the slave must report to the Mistress everyday by whatever method of communication is available. 6) The slave shall on no account talk over the top of the Mistress. 7) Should the slave feel the need to stress a point he shall ask permission to do so, and if granted shall do it with the utmost respect, although the Mistress has the right to ignore whatever point the slave is making. 8) The slave shall obey without question every command/demand the Mistress gives/makes. 9) The slave shall to the best of his ability anticipate the needs of the Mistress prior to her announcing them and shall act accordingly. 10) The Mistress may use or abuse the slave in any way she chooses; he shall serve Her, and any others She may decide upon. 11) The slave shall on no account be dishonest to the Mistress, either directly or indirectly. 12) The Mistress may humiliate the slave both in private or public if she chooses to do so. 13) The slave shall always put the needs of the Mistress before his own. 14) When in private the slave shall remain collared. 15) When in private the slave shall address the Mistress as Mistress and shall answer to the name of slave. 16) In public when addressing the Mistress the slave shall be permitted to drop the term Mistress unless ordered to do otherwise and shall refer to the Mistress as ……., the slave will be referred to as ………. or whatever else the Mistress decides upon. 17) Unless the slave is within bondage or visitors are present the slave shall be expected to kneel and kiss the feet of the Mistress every time she enters the dwelling. 18) In private when not in bondage the slave shall remain at all times in some form of fetish wear be that rubber leather or other. 19) The slave agrees to wear a chastity device and to remain in chastity for the duration of this contract. 20) The slave accepts that it will be denied orgasm for the duration of this contract unless in order to benefit and please the Mistress, as an aroused and denied slave is far more attentive to the needs of the Mistress. Unless the Mistress decides differently on occasions. 21) The slave shall carry out all household duties, including but not limited to, cleaning cooking laundry gardening, to the satisfaction of the Mistress, and wearing whatever the Mistress decides is appropriate at any given time. 22) The slave agrees to be used as a toilet if it pleases the Mistress. 23) The slave accepts that in private one of the fluids it will be commanded to drink is urine, either provided from the Mistress or its own, or from anyone else the Mistress decides upon. 24) The slave’s diet shall be controlled by the Mistress and the slave shall eat from whatever surface the Mistress decides, be that plate, bowl or floor. 25) The Mistress may keep the slave in bondage and or sensory deprivation for any period of time She chooses, this could be hour’s days or weeks, the slave will dutifully accept such restraint. 26) The Mistress may punish the slave in any way She chooses, She does not need a reason to do this, the slave shall accept any and all punishments and shall thank the Mistress for administering them. 27) The Mistress my dress the slave in any way that pleases Her, be that male or female attire. 28) The slave shall have no right of access to money, only that which is allowed by the Mistress. 29) The Mistress has the right to have lovers should She choose to do so, the slaves role is to serve Her and any others She may decide upon. 30) The Mistress may sell, hire or prostitute the slave if She wishes, the slave accepts that it can be used as a whore or slut to generate funds for the Mistress. 31) The slave may be kept naked from time to time if the Mistress wishes that. 32) This contract is binding and can only be terminated by the Mistress herself. Declaration I the Mistress agree to undertake responsibility and accept ownership of the undersigned slave. I enter into this agreement of my own free will and accept and agree that it shall be irrevocable on my own part. Signed……………………………………………………….Mistress Date................ Signed.................................................................................slave Date................ We the undersigned witnesses testify that both parties have entered into this contract without any form of coersion being used and that it is the wish of both the Mistress and slave. Contract witnesses: ...........................................................................................First Witness Date................. ...........................................................................................Second Witness Date..............



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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/8/2007 6:33:30 PM   
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Dear trustee, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I do understand the spirit behind contracts, which spells out the boundaries to which people operate within.  Contracts should lay out expectations and also understandings.  In addition, they spell out the exceptions as well as some 'what if's'.
 
I read many contracts and I can tell you, that many contracts are edited, resubmitted, edited and resubmitted yet again; where both parties agree to it and are happy with the compromises.
 
I also recommend time frames as to when things expire or limits to how long the contract is to be valid and or when it is to be given review and re-negotiations are permitted. 
 
I would personally use a "Indentured Servant'' contract; which still has legal teeth if it to be a contract to go by--but that is me.
 
I would also check within the local support and education group, as to see if there is a lawyer/attorney as to look the docments over.  I would think a business attorney would be the vein to look as they are dealing in contracts and there is a fine art to writing one.  I would also research law as far as contracts in your particular state/commonwealth/country/nation.  If it is a distant relationship which is bridged between two nations/countries; International business law may be better suited.
 
The exampled contract wouldn't be something I would use personally however, it does provide an example.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Slave contract advice wanted please - 7/8/2007 6:51:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: trustee
Slave contract advice wanted please.



My first piece of advise is never to call it a contract or to think of it as one. Secondly, blanket descriptions are safer than sensational details. Much of this agreement could be chopped down into one or two succinct and carefully phrased paragraphs.

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RE: Slave contract advice wanted please - 7/8/2007 7:07:58 PM   
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well I have this one and it is the one that I seem to like the way it is put but I'm still reading others so not lock on one here the one I have > Consensual "Slavery" Contract

Monday, April 09, 2007

This contract is provided as a secure and binding agreement which defines in specific terms the relationship and interaction between two individuals, here after termed the slave and the master (both terms are intended to be independant of sex). This agreement is legal and binding. This agreement must be entered voluntarily, but cannot be broken except under the conditions stated herein, after which certain precautions shall be taken to protect those involved. (See section 8.0.0)

1.0.0 Slave's Role

The slave agrees to submit completely to the master in all ways. There are no boundaries of place, time, or situation in which the slave may will fully refuse to obey the directive of the master without risking punishment, except in situations where the slave's veto (see section 1.0.1) applies. The slave also agrees that, once entered into the Slavery Contract, their body belongs to their master ,, to be used as seen fit, within the guidelines defined herein. All of the slave's possessions like wise belong to the master , including all assets, finances, and material goods, to do with as they see fit. The slave agrees to please the master to the best of their ability, in that they now exist solely for the pleasure of said master and the slave is to Complete three Challenges that are based around Four areas clothing,behaviour,body appearance,
sexual activities.

1.0.1 Slave's Veto

The slave, where appropriate, holds veto power over any command given by the master , at which time they may rightfully refuse to obey that command. This power may only be invoked under the following circumstances, or where agreed by both master and slave:

  1. Where said command conflicts with any existing laws and may lead to fines, arrest, or prosecution of the slave .
  2. Where said command may cause extreme damage to slave's life, such as losing their job, causing family stress,etc.
  3. Where said command may cause permanent bodily harm (see3.0.0) to the slave .
  4. Where said command may cause psychological trauma to the slave, such as a rape scene for a slave that has been raped in the past.

2.0.0 Master's Role

The master accepts the responsibility of the slave's body and worldly possessions, to do with as they see fit, under the provisions determined in this contract. The master agrees to care for the slave , to arrange for the safety and well-being of the slave , as long as they own the slave . The master also accepts the committment to treat the slave properly, to train the slave, punish the slave, love the slave, and use the slave as they see fit

.2.0.1 Rules of Punishment
Punishment of the slave is subject to certain rules designed to protect the slave from intentional abuse or permanent bodily harm (see 4.0.0). Punishment must not incur permanent bodily harm, or the following forms of abuse:
  A. As listed
  1. Blood may not be drawn at any time. Punishment must stop immediately if blood is drawn
  2. Burning the body
  3. Drastic loss of circulation
  4. Causing internal bleeding
  5. Loss of consciousness
  6. Withholding of any necessary materials, such as food, water, or sunlight for extended periods of time

3.0.0 Permanent Bodily Harm

Since the body of the slave now belongs to the master , it is the master's responsibility to protect that body from permanent bodily harm. Should the slave ever come to permanent bodily harm during the course of punishment or in any other slavery related activity, whether by intention or accident, it will be grounds for immediate termination of this contract, should the slave so desire. Permanent bodily harm shall be determined as:

  1. Death
  2. Any damage that involves loss of mobility or function, including broken bones.
  3. Any permanent marks on the skin, including scars, burns, or tattoos, unless accepted by the slave .
  4. Any loss of hair, unless accepted by the slave .
  5. Any piercing of the flesh which leaves a permanent hole, unless accepted by the slave .
  6. Any diseases that could result in any of the above results, including sexually transmitted diseases.

4.0.0 Others

The slave may not seek any other master or lover or relate to others in any sexual or submissive way without the master's permission. To do so will be considered a breach of contract, and will result in extreme punishment. The master may accept other slaves or lovers, but must consider the slave's emotional response to such actions and act accordingly. Under no circumstance should the master allow such actions to unbalance the slave emotionally, or allow such actions to result in ignoring the slave . The master may give the slave to other masters, provided the rules of this contract are upheld. In such a situation, the master will inform the new master of the provisions stated herein, and any breach by the new master will be considered a breach by the master as well, subject to all rules stated in this contract.

5.0.0 Secrecy

All physical evidence of the slavery will be kept in total secrecy, except where both master and slave agree. Any violation of this clause shall be cause to terminate this contract, should the injured party wish it. The materials and physical evidence shall be kept under lock and key in a place acceptable to both parties.

6.0.0 Alteration of Contract

This contract may not be altered, except when both master and slave agree. If the contract is altered, the new contract shall be printed and signed, and then the old contract must be destroyed.

7.0.0 Termination of Contract

This contract may be terminated at any time by the master , but never by the slave, except under special conditions explained within this contract. Upon termination, all physical evidence of the slavery, including this contract, will be destroyed, and all materials and belongings shall belong to the master , to be shared or kept as they see fit. The slave , owning nothing and having agreed to give up all worldly possessions and body to the master , shall once again own their body, but nothing else, unless the master decides to give back their possessions.from this Date__________of start to this Date of ending________

8.0.0 Slave's Signature and Keeper's Signature

I have read and fully understand this contract in its entirety. I agree to give everything I own to my master, and further accept their claim of ownership over my physical body. I understand that I will be commanded and trained and punished as a slave, and I promise to be true and to fulfill the pleasures and desires of my master to the best of my abilities. I understand that I cannot withdraw from this contract except as stated in this contract.

Slave's Signature:________________________

Keeper's Signature___________________________



9.0.0 Master's Signature

I have read and fully understand this contract in its entirety. I agree to accept this slave as my property, body and possessions, and to care for them to the best of my ability. I shall provide for their security and well-being and command them, train them, and punish them as a slave. I understand the responsibility implicit in this arrangement, and agree that no harm shall come to the slave as long as they are mine. I further understand that I can withdraw from this contract at any time.

Master's  Signature:_________________________ 

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RE: slave contract advice wanted please. - 7/8/2007 9:11:52 PM   
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Seems to me that instead of seeking witnesses or a notary, you'd want to seal this kind of deal in blood, to make it clear you're not just two wannabes.

Also, there should be a clause in there covering the Rule Against Perpetuities just in case she wants to pass you onto future heirs down the road.



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