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chiaThePet -> If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 7:25:41 PM)
Would You See But The Thorns, Or A Beautiful Bloom? As a submissive still young in the journey of my understanding and knowledge within the confines of D/s relationships, fully aware that we are each unique individuals possessing our own identity, and each relationship will exist as it does, i continually find that what i had thought was a general acceptance, quickly becomes a chorus of differing voices and views with no clear point of exactness for me to focus on. To be specific, i speak of the desire to learn of the general consensus concerning D/s relationships and whether most fall within the boundries of strick Dominant/ submissive margins wherein there is no friend, boyfriend, girlfriend, lover, or mate insinuated, implied or allowed, versus a relationship which may develop beyond such, even unto the union of those involved. Again, i am aware of the existence of both taking place, but is there a more common acceptance or desire of one over the other? Am i wrong in feeling as though someone has spiked the D/s punchbowl with a fifth of hundred proof vanilla? Does the music simply sound just a tad bit too sweet and relaxing at times in the Dominant/submissive waltz? Is absolute power diminished or weakened when vanilla emotions and comittments enter into the D/s relationship? Thank You for any thoughts You might share with me that i should grow in my understanding and may myself realize a more complete destiny. The Thorn, Or The Bloom, Of Which Do You Identify? Respectfully, chia* (the pet)

LadyHeart -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 7:44:18 PM)
That is a wonderfully thought out post and so beautifully expressed, but the answer is simply that one size does not fit all. There are sadistic Mistresses, warm Mistresses and cold Mistresses; there are Mistresses who won't have any sexual contact with submissives and others who insist upon it; there are Mistresses who don't want any hint of a "relationship" and others who can't work without one; there are Mistresses who love pain play and others who can't bear it; there are Mistresses who insist upon being worshipped and others who find it repulsive. The trick is to start with what YOU need and look for someone who is a match in the things that are most important to you. It works both ways - it's just as hard for a Mistress to find a sub whose wants and needs match hers. That is why I like to play with different subs. I have one who loves his physical limits tested; another who loves role playing - the only subs I avoid are ones who wants 24/7 - but another Mistress will grab those subs with glee. You are looking for An Answer, but if we can't agree on the way we take our coffee, or for that matter, if we should drink that coffee in the first place, is it likely we'll agree on something as complex as human relationships? :)) LH who stands with the Thorns

chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 7:59:45 PM)
Dearest LadyHeart, Thank You Ma'am for Your reply. As i do realize there is no one size fits all consensus, i am hoping even for a general flow in one direction or the other. As it is important for myself, to pursue also those desires which hold substance for me, i have always felt both a spoken and unspoken parallel which separates D/s relationships from those of a common vanilla course. If You avoid the submissives whom seek a 24/7 relationship with You, might i feel that You Yourself lean more toward the "un"vanilla Dominant/submissive relationship? i do not seek to assume, but Your reply does speak such to me. Thank You again. Respecfully, chia* (the pet)

LadyHeart -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 8:14:17 PM)
As a Domme, I would identify more with the "unvanilla" but as a sub, with the "touch of vanilla" (I am Domme to others, sub to my Master/husband) That's one of the things I enjoy about D/s - I can find people to cater to each of the facets of my personality. :)) LH to add to your confusion, lol

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 8:16:17 PM)
quote: There are sadistic Mistresses, warm Mistresses and cold Mistresses; there are Mistresses who won't have any sexual contact with submissives and others who insist upon it; there are Mistresses who don't want any hint of a "relationship" and others who can't work without one; there are Mistresses who love pain play and others who can't bear it; there are Mistresses who insist upon being worshipped and others who find it repulsive. Then there are those Mistresses that are a combination of all of the above as well at any given moment of time within the dichotomy. I agree that it isn't one size fits all. We're all individuals and have individual wants and needs for the relationship or non relationships that we seek. Cuckolding is what works for Me. Female Led is what works for Me. Others won't agree or understand how Cuckolding falls under a D/s ideology. That's fine if they don't. We as people continually grow and evolve as do our relationships with others. For Me, there has to be the love and commitment that would be present in a vanilla relationship as well as the D/s and cuckolding. Moreso if one truly looks at it. Personally, I need both to be satisfied within the dichotomy I choose.

chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 8:28:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHeart As a Domme, I would identify more with the "unvanilla" but as a sub, with the "touch of vanilla" (I am Domme to others, sub to my Master/husband) That's one of the things I enjoy about D/s - I can find people to cater to each of the facets of my personality. :)) LH to add to your confusion, lol Dearest LadyHeart, No confusion Ma'am, You simply enjoy the best of both. i have most often thought of myself in more the unvanilla submissive sense, though i do feel i might possibly make a decent subhusband bride. Thank You for sharing. Respectfully, chia* (the pet)

LadyHeart -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 8:32:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck Then there are those Mistresses that are a combination of all of the above as well at any given moment of time within the dichotomy. .... Personally, I need both to be satisfied within the dichotomy I choose. Yes! That's exactly what I was stumbling towards trying to express! :)) LH

chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 8:38:09 PM)
Dearest Ms Jo, So for Yourself, You desire the Love which is identified within vanilla relationships, excluding the physical Love, which in turn gives You the Power of denial, which fulfills Your Dominant nature. Am i correct? You require vanilla like Love, You just prefer it doesn't touch You, and as a Dominant Female, You retain the authority to control Love. Thank You for Your response. Respectfully, chia* (the pet) edited to include a Thank You, as i erred in not forwarding such.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 8:46:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chiaThePet Dearest Ms Jo, So for Yourself, You desire the Love which is identified within vanilla relationships, excluding the physical Love, which in turn gives You the Power of denial, which fulfills Your Dominant nature. Am i correct? You require vanilla like Love, You just prefer it doesn't touch You, and as a Dominant Female, You retain the authority to control Love. Respectfully, chia* (the pet) Close chia...there are far more intimate things to be shared between Cuckoldress and cuck. Sexual intercourse isn't the basis of the relationship; submission and his deferring to Me on all things are the basis. Sex isn't non existent...but it is only going to take place when I want it, how I want it, on My terms. If that makes sense? I most definitely enjoy being touched, cuddled, and pleasured by my cuck (when I have one). What I control is the relationship and the place of intimacy and sexual intercourse within it. Why would I want to control love? That isn't something I find possible for anyone to do.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 8:49:33 PM)
quote: though i do feel i might possibly make a decent subhusband bride. Male wife...which would include the vanilla aspect as well as the D/s would it not chia? LOL Personally I want the whole damn bouquet! Although I prefer orchids in general [:D] editing because these new nails are affecting My spelling ability.Or perhaps it's the Merlot.

LaMistressa -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 8:52:54 PM)
quote: Am i wrong in feeling as though someone has spiked the D/s punchbowl with a fifth of hundred proof vanilla? In my opinion, yes, you are wrong in feeling this. There isn't a black and white for everyone, instead there is a rubric or a sliding scale of behavior. What is harsh to one is harmless to another. You find your place within the rubric. And when I am presented a rose, I see a rose in its totality: thorns, petals, scent and stem. Then I find the proper vase for it.

chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 8:54:40 PM)
Dearest Ms Jo, The control of love which i referred to was the physical. As You have shared, cuckolding isn't simply the complete denial i thought it was. Again, i learn as i go. Thank You Ma'am for sharing this. Respectfully, chia* (the pet

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 9:00:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chiaThePet Dearest Ms Jo, The control of love which i referred to was the physical. As You have shared, cuckolding isn't simply the complete denial i thought it was. Again, i learn as i go. Thank You Ma'am for sharing this. Respectfully, chia* (the pet Ah I see, I was misconstruing it to be love on an emotional plane not simply physical. Glad I could be of assistance. Although I never said it would be often LOL. Actually even within the whole Cuckold realm there are those that go from one end of the gamut to the other. Some refuse any intercourse at all, others like Me on a limited basis, and those that don't control or limit it at all. to each their own and whatever works for them individually is the key.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 9:02:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHeart quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck Then there are those Mistresses that are a combination of all of the above as well at any given moment of time within the dichotomy. .... Personally, I need both to be satisfied within the dichotomy I choose. Yes! That's exactly what I was stumbling towards trying to express! :)) LH Actually I felt that you were far more eloquent than I was in it's description LadyHeart!

chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 9:03:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaMistressa quote: Am i wrong in feeling as though someone has spiked the D/s punchbowl with a fifth of hundred proof vanilla? In my opinion, yes, you are wrong in feeling this. There isn't a black and white for everyone, instead there is a rubric or a sliding scale of behavior. What is harsh to one is harmless to another. You find your place within the rubric. And when I am presented a rose, I see a rose in its totality: thorns, petals, scent and stem. Then I find the proper vase for it. Dearest LaMistress, As for the punchbowl, i simply notice a lot of vanilla like interaction among the Dominants and submissives here, a crossover so to speak. i am not trying to pin anyone down to a specific here, just looking to get a sense of things. So far i see a genuine desire to encompass both the thorn and the bloom, if not the entire Rose such as Yourself. Thank You Ma'am for Your response. Respectfully, chia* (the pet)

chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 9:12:13 PM)
Dearest LaMistressa, As i am again, young in my understanding, i most certainly could be wrong. i simply notice an interaction here on the boards, which may be a bit more relaxed, that reminds me of the vanilla coupling i witness. i do realize we are all different, some will see thorns, some blooms, some stems, some the entire Rose, but are we not different in the Dominant/submissive relationship in parallel to our vanilla counterparts in some ways? Thank You Ma'am for Your reply. Respectfully, chia* (the pet)

MsRose -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 10:07:19 PM)
I'd like the whole rose please, extra thorny.

chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 10:10:12 PM)
Dearest MsRose, For Your namesake, at least a dozen, long stem for those extra thorns. Respectfully, chia* (the pet)

MsRose -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 10:34:17 PM)
Thank you, chia. Gracefully accepted. As to your 'subhusband' aspiration - will the bride wear white?

chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 10:54:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsRose Thank you, chia. Gracefully accepted. As to your 'subhusband' aspiration - will the bride wear white? Well.........maybe "off"white, but gotta have the beadwork, oh yes, the beadwork! Respectfully, chia* (the pet)

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