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Hermaphrodites - 6/8/2005 2:37:38 PM   
anthrosub


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Status: offline 		A few years back I spoke with a woman, first by email and then by phone. Once we got to know each other a bit, she revealed she was Dominant and could have any man she wanted. This was through a personals service. I was not focused on the lifestyle directly as I am now, so I didn't make the connection completely.

At the same time this was going on, another female contacted me, we spoke on the phone and arranged to meet. I wasn't sure what was going on with the first female as she seemed to be hesitating and it was for this reason I pursued the second. We arranged to meet at a restaurant and had a good conversation for about an hour or so, then parted.

The next time I spoke to the first female, she asked if I had seen anyone else recently. I told her I had and at this point revealed that she was a hermaphrodite and the woman I had met was one of her subs. She had sent her to interview me and was glad I was upfront about the meeting.

The whole thing really put me off balance and she sensed this. As a result, she broke contact with me. To this day, I'm not really sure how I would have managed getting involved with her but it does make me wonder about hermaphrodites in this lifestyle.

A hermaphrodite that behaves as a woman yet has the sexual organs of a male and female raises a lot of interesting thoughts. For one, which gender would s/he be more favorable to? I wonder if anyone here at Collarme has had any encounters with them and why we don't see any as members.

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/8/2005 2:43:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are some fairly good links for real hermaphrodism:

Hermaphordite Education

North American Intersexed Society

Contrary to what Porno wants us to think, hermaphordism rarely manifests itself with voluptuous 'dick girls'. That's the wonder of photography and photoshop.

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/8/2005 5:44:17 PM   
MstrssPassion


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Status: offline 		My partner is pre-op M2F Transsexual. I am quite close friends with a post-op M2F as well as an Intersexed woman. I attend lectures with my partners at unniversities & other gatherings where she speaks to others about the Transgendered community, issues & rights, & laws that need to come about since this segment of society falls into the 'grey areas'.

Intersexed or hermaphrodites, are persons that on a genetic level have both male & female DNA as well as partial if not full male & female anatomy. Often these persons are altered shortly after birth by choices that the parents & doctors make for them, which often leads to many problems of adjustment when one gender tends to overwhelm the other later in life & often it was not the gender that was chosen for them.

Whether Intersexed or Transsexual often these people will not make it common public knowledge. Ridicule & often death result from this being revealed. It is difficult enough for the TG person to live with & adjust with what life has dealt them. (Often they do not survive... the suicide rate is very high.) If they do find peace whether they seek out HRT (hormone replacement therapy) & surgery or live life as it is... privacy & security tends to be common. Many TG persons prefer to put much of their individual transitions behind them & not bring it up.

This is very well why you will not find it widely posted within profiles... it isn't a flag commonly waved.

.... & you are absolutely correct ProtagonistLily

Transsexuals & Intersexed person are not the "meat packing barbie dolls" that the porn industry tends to promote.

Hormones do a real number on male anatomy. One sure way to find out if the male transitioning is Transvestite or not... when his winky quits working he will stop the hormones. F2M transsexuals have a real tough time as they have double the amount of surgery & often the results are less than 'functional'.

I find it very aggrivating that so many men contact us & immediately think.... oh WOW, chick with a dick. Porn is all about fantasy.

MstrssPassion

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/8/2005 9:44:02 PM   
anthrosub


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Status: offline 		Thank you for your informed reply. On the face of it, I supposed there weren't many (if any) members of the "intersexed" community here because they were so few in number. But what you've described details much more important reasons and sheds deserving light on the subject.

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/9/2005 10:02:03 PM   
knees2you


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Status: offline 		My Ex~Was a Hermaphordite And She Enjoyed being a Woman~

So You see I know that this is something that Would change Your way of thinking towrds people~

I Still love Her~

Thanks, Ant

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/9/2005 11:07:42 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Where are people getting all these bogus Chinese philosophy quotes? This one isn't genuine either.

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"Stop thinking...and end your problems." - Lao Tzu

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/10/2005 12:03:20 AM   
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Where are people getting all these bogus Chinese philosophy quotes? This one isn't genuine either.


Actually, it is genuine. At least it appears in my translation of the Tao Te Ching.
(trans. by Stephen Mitchell, published by Perennial Books, 1992). It is the opening to verse 20.

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/10/2005 9:59:25 AM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		LAM quite hijacking threads! Geez, lol, i've been watching you, you go into some moods dont you?

Anyways, back to the topic as it's a very interesting one. i watched a show on Discovery about it once, seems a very difficult life to life. One would wonder, what causes the cells to mess up?

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/10/2005 8:28:57 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Stephen Mitchell doesn't know Chinese. He even says so in his own introduction.

E-mail me offline if you're really interested in this; otherwise, take my word for it that the translation is bogus.

Lam

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Actually, it is genuine. At least it appears in my translation of the Tao Te Ching.
(trans. by Stephen Mitchell, published by Perennial Books, 1992). It is the opening to verse 20.


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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/10/2005 9:33:34 PM   
ginger21


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Status: offline 		Please excuse my ignorance in this matter, but I have a question.

What is the difference between intersexed and transexual? I would want to say that intersexed is genetic, but that would lead me to suggest that transsexualism (a word?) isn't...something I'm hesitant to do.

Could you clarify for me? Thanks!

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/10/2005 10:58:01 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		A transsexual is someone who has changed his or her gender by some artificial means--hormone therapy or surgery or both.

The word "intersexed" is being used here to refer to hermaphrodites, in other words, people born with BOTH male and female genitalia.

So the two are obviously very different, but some of the same issues come up in both classes of people. When a hermaphrodite is born, doctors, parents, caregivers, and so on often decide to intervene surgically and turn the person into a more normal-looking male or female. If that person happens to grow up with an internal sexual identity that clashes with the sex that was chosen for him or her, you can imagine the misery that can result.

Lam

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/11/2005 7:13:51 AM   
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A transsexual is someone who has changed his or her gender by some artificial means--hormone therapy or surgery or both.

A transsexual does not change their gender. They change their body to make it more congruent with their gender.

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/11/2005 7:55:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		USA Today ran an interesting news story yesterday: Transgender employees see changes in colleagues, too.

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/11/2005 10:58:58 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		OK, a transsexual is someone who changes his or her SEX.

Satisfied?

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

A transsexual is someone who has changed his or her gender by some artificial means--hormone therapy or surgery or both.

A transsexual does not change their gender. They change their body to make it more congruent with their gender.


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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/11/2005 4:25:09 PM   
stef


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Status: offline 		It's an improvement.

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/11/2005 9:51:18 PM   
anthrosub


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Where are people getting all these bogus Chinese philosophy quotes? This one isn't genuine either.

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ORIGINAL: anthrosub

"Stop thinking...and end your problems." - Lao Tzu



I don't remember where I first read this. I don't really care about the authenticity of the translation; it's there because of the message. Maybe you should give it a try. Incidently, I just Googled the quote and came up with 1730 hits all citing Lao Tzu.

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/11/2005 10:08:54 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		That's obvious.

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ORIGINAL: anthrosub
I don't really care about the authenticity of the translation.


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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/11/2005 10:43:48 PM   
anthrosub


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Status: offline 		I'm curious...why is something so trivial so important to you? Are you schooled in the fine art of translating Chinese? Worried the original author isn't getting credit where credit is due? What's the big deal? I'm serious.

I answered your original question in good faith. Why reply with an obvious dig? Did my suggestion of taking the quote as a piece of advice offend you? It was a sincere suggestion.

Let's avoid the quips and get to the bottom of this issue as I've never had someone display so much passion over a simple quote...authentic or not. We're here in the Lounge so no need to talk in private. I'm sure there's others who have read this thread and wondering why you introduced this whole thing in the first place.

If you can't respond in the same spirit as I am writing this message then the discussion ends here. I won't be drawn into a tit-for-tat exchange.

Sincerely,
anthrosub


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

That's obvious.

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ORIGINAL: anthrosub
I don't really care about the authenticity of the translation.





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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/11/2005 10:53:07 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		The translation is incorrect. Plain and simple. If it's important enough to you to append this quote to your messages every time you post, it's important enough to me to point out that it's wrong. Our attitudes about this are obviously different. I can't imagine anything more absurd than repeating an incorrect quote over and over. As you've said, the authenticity not important to you.

I've already invited onceburned to e-mail me offline, and I extend the same invitation to you if you're really interested in this. But it doesn't seem that you are. You're less interested in what I'm saying than in trying to figure out why I'm saying what I'm saying.

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RE: Hermaphrodites - 6/11/2005 11:10:33 PM   
anthrosub


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Status: offline 		Not contacting you by email is not an indication I'm not interested. Why can't you say what you have to say here? As far as translations are concerned. We're talking about Chinese...which essentially uses pictograms instead of characters organized into words to convey meaning. This by itself lends to all sorts of interpretation. I seriously doubt any translation is dead on no matter who does it. Just look at the forwards of Russian classics that devote a whole section on the translator's effort and how it differs from the work of others. What I found I liked. It's not there so people will read it and say to themselves, "Oh...so that's who wrote that." I understand this is important for you. I've simply never encountered it before.

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