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SirDominic -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 8:19:29 AM)
Seems to me your rant is more about false people, than "true" ones. Anyway, I have found that the "true" word has become so volatile that I never use it. Instead of saying something like "If he were a true Master.....", I would say "A Master who has the experience to know what they are doing is not going to .....". The issue is not that there is no real "true Master", or "true sub". The issue is that that term is simply too generic; everyone has their own personal definition of what it means. Makes the word completely useless in any conversation. Namaste, Sir Dominic

becca333 -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 8:19:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: becca333 If I compliment you on your good qualities, it's a different dynamic to claiming that I possess those qualities. But wouldn't that mean, as you said, that you're saying nobody else is, and I'm "slavier" than others? That's the point I'm trying to counter to your point. Personally, people often tend to look bad when complimenting themselves. I just don't see how this particular compliment is different than others. Unless someone is saying "I'M a TRUE slave.." (tone of voice can change meaning). Don't get me wrong - I get what you're saying. I don't automatically draw the same conclusion, however. Not over a simple word. It could be cultural differences that are operating here. An Aussie who was talking about how 'true' or wonderful they were would be regarded as a bit of a poser, a wanker, or a tall poppy to be cut down. It's just not done to push yourself forward that way! So people making that kind of claim come across, to me, as rather arrogant posers. But paying compliments to someone else is fine (and it's fun to watch them squirm as they try to avoid agreeing with the compliment, thus moving into wankerhood themselves.) Being an aussie is very complicated.

ownedgirlie -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 8:23:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirDominic Seems to me your rant is more about false people, than "true" ones. Anyway, I have found that the "true" word has become so volatile that I never use it. Instead of saying something like "If he were a true Master.....", I would say "A Master who has the experience to know what they are doing is not going to .....". The issue is not that there is no real "true Master", or "true sub". The issue is that that term is simply too generic; everyone has their own personal definition of what it means. Makes the word completely useless in any conversation. Namaste, Sir Dominic This may be the best thing I've ever heard on the topic. Pity we now have to compose entire sentences to make up for one word, but I love the way you explained it.

Mercnbeth -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 8:25:24 AM)
What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream, their own "truth".(thanks Don Miguel!) there is only one who's opinion and actions this slave strives NOT to be immune to, and that is Master. as long as this slave is 'slave' in His eyes, it matters not if this slave fits into anyone else's "true slave" mold or their official dictionary definition of choice.

amayos -> RE: There's no such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 9:13:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shylahgirl I’ve always believed that there is no true anything… anyone can be a submissive/slave and anyone can be a Dom/Domme… the thing that makes someone one or the other is weather the role they are in brings that person joy. That sentiment epitomizes precisely what is wrong with a lot of the thinking in "BDSM." There is no true anything? There is no truth? Anyone can be a submissive or slave? Anyone can dominate? I'm inclined to think otherwise, as foolish to you as that may seem.

Lordandmaster -> RE: There's no such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 9:19:43 AM)
No, what's wrong with a lot of the thinking in BDSM is that some people think their thinking is right and everyone else's is wrong. quote: ORIGINAL: amayos That sentiment epitomizes precisely what is wrong with a lot of the thinking in "BDSM."

dogobedience -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 10:19:04 AM)
"True", a word often used by me. As for myself, it is simply my definition of someone who is true to him/herself about this lifestyle. One who is pure in their thought process, not poluted by fad, or trends. They are a top/bottom (or some level of it) without prior knowledge of the lifestyle.Being cognizant of the lifestyle only enlightens their desire, NOT create it. It did not take the internet, a friend, book, or some other form to CONVINCE them that they were who they say they are. I see too many who are simply bedroom bottoms, yet claim to be slave/sub all the time...yea right! That does not make them fake however, only not true to themselves as to who they really are.

amayos -> RE: There's no such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 10:19:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster No, what's wrong with a lot of the thinking in BDSM is that some people think their thinking is right and everyone else's is wrong. Pot and kettle. Would you apply the same sentiment to the opening post here as well? In the open-minded spirit you profess, I would imagine so. Like it or not my descriptionarian friend, there is truth and non-truth. We do not own copyright on it, but we can certainly learn to recognize the real thing from the facade. There are many ways of skinning a cat as they say, just as shit comes in all hues.

Lordandmaster -> RE: There's no such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 12:06:04 PM)
There are truth and non-truth in mathematics and physics. 2+2=4 is true, 2+2=5 is not true. But if you think the same criteria apply to terms like "master" and "slave," "dominant" and "submissive," I'll just say I think you live in an impoverished world. Is Beethoven's Ninth Symphony true or untrue? quote: ORIGINAL: amayos quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster No, what's wrong with a lot of the thinking in BDSM is that some people think their thinking is right and everyone else's is wrong. Pot and kettle. Would you apply the same sentiment to the opening post here as well? In the open-minded spirit you profess, I would imagine so. Like it or not my descriptionarian friend, there is truth and non-truth. We do not own copyright on it, but we can certainly learn to recognize the real thing from the facade. There are many ways of skinning a cat as they say, just as shit comes in all hues.

favesclava -> RE: There's no such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 12:14:45 PM)
i am fredpbears true slave. even if he were to release me, i would run to him if he ever were to call on me for anything. there will be no other , ever.

GoodgirlFind -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 12:38:21 PM)
If you arent proud 2b a submissive and stand tall, than reconsider. If you arent proud to be on your knees and look up at your master or mistress, than reconsider. If you dont feel humbled at your masters feet, why are you here? If you feel msters dont appreciate their subs, get the fuck out. Masters dont have to play a sub role to understand how much a sub can get joy in submitting. They know it. The real masters, that is. not the doms who can only master your pussy and not your soul. Plenty of fake, jerk off, asshole "doms" around, good luck.

stella40 -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 1:01:10 PM)
Oh my God! And this is such a big issue for you? Come take a walk with me sister! I'm a transsexual female, a pre-op transsexual female. But not the petite 5ft 2ins slim blonde type of transsexual female, I'm just under 6ft, plus sized and pre-op. Sure, I get people tell me I'm not a true submissive by the way I express myself.. but get this... I also sometimes get people calling me a man, a trannie, a faggot, a freak, a wierdo, a perv, a batty man, and so on.... .. and not just on this website either, but on other websites too, and not just online, but offline, out in the streets, to my face even.. And do you know? If I got angry or upset every time someone called me one of these names .... I'd just become a ....... crossdresser (think about it). "You're not a real woman!" I hear every so often. "And....?" I say back to them, "Your point being.....?" I know who I am.. I know I am Stella, I know I am female. It says so on all my documents, it says so on my medical records, this is what my doctors think, my family thinks, my friends and the other people in my life. It's what my Domme thinks too. And I say f**k what anyone else thinks. I know who I am. And you think that being a 'true' slave is really such a big issue? You must have an interesting life.

amayos -> RE: There's no such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 1:05:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Is Beethoven's Ninth Symphony true or untrue? Aside from Beethovan's String Quartet Thirteen or Violin Sonata Six? Yes. We don't call them all the same pieces, do we? That would be very confusing. Saying it is true there is no truth is a logical fallacy. Of course there is truth. We live surrounded by a Universe of it, where the only refuge is in the mind's ability to make one. Finis.

Sinergy -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 1:07:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears PS.. frequent giggling in men doesn't fit a domy character So being a Dominant is synonymous with being a humorless and obtuse jackass? I can giggle Dominantly as frequently as I want to. Sinergy

Lordandmaster -> RE: There's no such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 1:40:33 PM)
I didn't say there was no truth. At this point, you're not even making any sense. I said you can't apply mathematical notions of truth to categories like "dominant" or "submissive." You haven't responded to that, and evidently aren't going to, either. quote: ORIGINAL: amayos Saying it is true there is no truth is a logical fallacy. Of course there is truth. We live surrounded by a Universe of it, where the only refuge is in the mind's ability to make one. Finis.

rollinonward05 -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 2:12:42 PM)
Being a true Master or true slave means nothing. Anyone can say they are true, but as we all know actions speak louder than just words. The thing is, it is what you feel within your heart and inside yourself. If you are "true" to yourself and your own personal nature that is the only thing that matters. Whether you are a Master/Dominant/Mistress or sub/slave /switch ( within this lifestyle that is) rollin

amayos -> RE: There's no such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 3:57:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I said you can't apply mathematical notions of truth to categories like "dominant" or "submissive." You haven't responded to that, and evidently aren't going to, either. By my posts in this thread alone you must surely (and no doubt already did) know my take on that. And no kudos for answering your Beethoven question? I thought it was nice of me to answer one of your questions despite your refusal to answer mine. To sum up again: of course you can apply notions of true or false to dominance and submission. Suggesting you cannot bears a considerable burden of proof which I have yet to see produced by anyone in contrast to what I have experienced, and the argument incurred almost always does inevitably lead one to the subject of truth itself. Saying there's truth here but no truth there is the thing that doesn't make any sense. It might be harder to find sometimes, but it's always there, somewhere.

bliss1 -> RE: There's no such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 4:27:17 PM)
I have found that those who want to tell me I'm not a true sub because of my behavior are actually boys who want to be men, or men who are just plain afraid of me and want me to feel "bad" cause I have made them feel bad. A "true" whatever you are - is up to your partner. The others don't really count. Be who and what you are. When you find a mate, learn from that person. That is what "true" is in my opinion.

velvetears -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 4:36:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears PS.. frequent giggling in men doesn't fit a domy character So being a Dominant is synonymous with being a humorless and obtuse jackass? I can giggle Dominantly as frequently as I want to. Sinergy That was my point.... you missed the sarcasm to an earlier post

Sinergy -> RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" or "true slave" (6/25/2007 5:09:37 PM)
(I didnt miss the sarcasm, I was simply agreeing with you) (Sinergy) p.s. (I use parenthesis when I want to whisper to one person and dont want everybody else to hear)

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