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There's on such thing as a "true master" or &... - 6/23/2007 11:35:34 AM   
Shylahgirl


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Status: offline 		What the fuck is a “True Master/Mistress”?   What the fuck is a “True sub/slave”?  

I’ve heard these terms all over the place.

I’ve had people on this web sight read my profile and tell me that I’m not a “true slave” because of the way I express my self.   What makes a person ether of these things? 

Is a “True Master/Mistress” someone who just knows how to boss around another person? 

Is a “true slave” just a door matte with no thoughts or feelings, who just does what his/she’s told then, curls up in a corner?  

I’ve always believed that there is no true anything… anyone can be a submissive/slave and anyone can be a Dom/Domme… the thing that makes someone one or the other is weather the role they are in brings that person joy.  

Then there are the people who say, “Well I wasn’t any good at being a submissive… but it’s so much easier to be a Dominant.” I know a woman who said that. When I heard that I thought to my self, “How can you be good at one if you can’t do the other reasonably well?”  

I see, every now and then, Master/Mistresses who say they were trained as a sub/slave before they were willing to take on a sub/slave of their own. I think that shows some humbleness on their part. Once you have lived in a role there is almost no way you can look down on another person for choosing that role. 

The “true master/slave” thing is silly… all the “true master’s” that I have spoken with always have this I’m better then you attitude.   How is anyone better then anyone else?  
How can a “master/mistress” look down on the one who serves them? Being a sub/slave takes immense personal power.   We put our selves on or knees willingly and often times out of respect for the one we serve.

How is that weak?

I’d like to see one of these “true master/mistresses” do that for a night and be able to feel what it means to really truly serve. To feel the joy a sub/slave gets from bringing another joy. To really surrender and love your self more for doing it.

Maybe if those”true master/mistresses” did that they could realize that being dominant isn’t just being able to bark orders or have someone fallow you around calling you “sir” or “ma’am” 

Being a Master or Mistress isn’t just slapping that title on the front of your name… it must be give to you by your submissive/slave. Just as a sub/slave should earn their collar through hard work and dedication to the Master/Mistress… so should the Master/Mistress earn that title from their sub/slave.

Shylah


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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 11:58:49 AM   
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there is no clear definition of what a "true" anything is around here - "true" is how you personally define it yourself  ..and not for others.


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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 12:11:51 PM   
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“How can you be good at one if you can’t do the other reasonably well?”

Is that something most people can do? I'm afraid it doesn't work that way for me.
I certainly agree that saying "I'm a dominant (or submissive)" really doesn't convey much in the way of valuable information. "True" or not, it still doesn't mean that you want the same things as another person.

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 12:38:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Shylahgirl

What the fuck is a “True Master/Mistress”?   What the fuck is a “True sub/slave”?  
IMO it has to do more with being true to yourself and your nature than fitting into some kind of standardized mold. Also, what would be truely sub to one Dominant would be hopelessly not sub to another. So, as far as i'm concerned the truth is found within and within a particular dynamic.
i also look at true/real meaning that they are actually living it (or have lived it) without and not just something in fantasy

I’ve heard these terms all over the place.

I’ve had people on this web sight read my profile and tell me that I’m not a “true slave” because of the way I express my self.   What makes a person ether of these things?
The way you express yourself has nothing to do with being true or not.... just ignore them 

Is a “True Master/Mistress” someone who just knows how to boss around another person? 
LMAO probably not so much lol. To me a true Master/Mistress has alot of self control and discipline themself and doesn't need to boss around another to make themselves feel complete or bigger.

Is a “true slave” just a door matte with no thoughts or feelings, who just does what his/she’s told then, curls up in a corner?  
Maybe, if that is what their "owner" (or whomever) wants and they feel comfortable that way. This is not the only true way though as many will attest.

I’ve always believed that there is no true anything… anyone can be a submissive/slave and anyone can be a Dom/Domme… the thing that makes someone one or the other is weather the role they are in brings that person joy.
  being true to ones self brings happiness

Then there are the people who say, “Well I wasn’t any good at being a submissive… but it’s so much easier to be a Dominant.” I know a woman who said that. When I heard that I thought to my self, “How can you be good at one if you can’t do the other reasonably well?”  
Nature. my Daddy was never a sub or slave but he is strong of conviction, honorable, intelligent and has gone through much learning in life.These are things that make him a great Master FOR ME.

I see, every now and then, Master/Mistresses who say they were trained as a sub/slave before they were willing to take on a sub/slave of their own. I think that shows some humbleness on their part. Once you have lived in a role there is almost no way you can look down on another person for choosing that role. 

Why would a Dominant look down on a sub or slave for choosing to be what they are? This makes no sense, it would be almost akin to them putting themselves down because without someone to submit to them they wouldn't be able to fully realize their own nature.

The “true master/slave” thing is silly… all the “true master’s” that I have spoken with always have this I’m better then you attitude.   How is anyone better then anyone else?  
How can a “master/mistress” look down on the one who serves them? Being a sub/slave takes immense personal power.   We put our selves on or knees willingly and often times out of respect for the one we serve.

How is that weak?

The people who think that submission is weak are only speaking from inexperience and showing a big character flaw by even going there. Submission is about defering to someone else and submitting and surrendering to them.

i will say though, why would one submit to one they felt was beneath them? Personally, if my Daddy weren't smarter than i am, didn't know alot more of life lessons than me and wasn't stronger than me in so many ways then i would NEVER be able to submit to him. i wouldn't respect him the same way. This isn't putting myself down BTW anymore than saying that i am shorter than he is and younger than he is. i am just stating facts.

I’d like to see one of these “true master/mistresses” do that for a night and be able to feel what it means to really truly serve. To feel the joy a sub/slave gets from bringing another joy. To really surrender and love your self more for doing it.

Maybe if those”true master/mistresses” did that they could realize that being dominant isn’t just being able to bark orders or have someone fallow you around calling you “sir” or “ma’am”

i agree with you, the joy is amazing but they can also get alot of joy from being who they are .They may not feel it the same way a sub or slave would feel it if they were to surrender. But, to take your slave to a point and past it (in their growth) that they might never have been able to for see can also bring tremendous joy. i know my Daddy enjoys watching me grow and learn lessons and face my fears and then reminding me how i said i couldn't do it, would never do it...and watching me smile because he succeeded in taking me there. (it's just the flip side of the same coin)

Being a Master or Mistress isn’t just slapping that title on the front of your name… it must be give to you by your submissive/slave. Just as a sub/slave should earn their collar through hard work and dedication to the Master/Mistress… so should the Master/Mistress earn that title from their sub/slave.

Not sure i agree here. i do agree that it takes more to be a Master/Mistress than declaring yourself one but having to earn the title? Maybe not, in my eyes...keeping the slave or not is what it ends up boiling down to. You can proclaim that you are a M  but unless your actions back it up you will be a slaveless/subless M.

Shylah



Thanks for stuff that made me think

~cherry

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 12:38:21 PM   
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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 12:50:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have a problem with the "true" word at all.  Everyone has an opinion of how things ought to be.  Some have stronger opinions than others.  I either agree or disagree but I don't get all wrapped up in it.  It's not a big deal to me and certainly not offensive to me.

I see a LOT of energy spent on this topic and frankly, I don't get it.  But again that's not really a big deal to me, either.  I use true a lot.  I have true friends. I've experienced true love.  I am true to myself.  And in my Master's eyes I am a true slave as he defines slave to be...and vice versa.  It is what it is.  If someone is saying you're not what they see your definition of yourself to be...then there is obviously no chemistry between you both and you move on.

I'm not a "real" slave according to some.  And "real" according to others.  It affects me not.  I am who I am, and I am who I must be.  That's all that really matters.

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 12:51:13 PM   
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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 12:54:19 PM   
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I'm a good sub for him, doubtful if for anyone else. But although I do this well, I'd be a terrible dominant. My heart wouldn't be in it and I'd stop every minute to ask if the sub was okay.


The bolded part of this made me smile, very big.  Master was recently teaching me to top a local submissive, and I ran into that exact issue.  I didn't actually ask if he was okay but I worried a lot and talked to my Master about it a lot.  It was a great learning experience for me.  I loved that you brought that up :)

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 1:05:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whenever we see a "slave" looking for a "true master" we can't help but interpret that to mean a Master who will do things just the way the slave wants them, not our kind of M/s. Over the years we have proven right the vast majority of the time.

The forums on the  other bdsm site that we used to spend a lot of time on often uses the term "twue" to indicate this sort of manipulation of a perfectly good word.... it's sorta like the "gift of submission" concept, was a good idea when fresh but is now hackneyed and so over used it has no "true" meaning... at least to us

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 1:34:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my opionion a "true" anything is someone who is not pretending to be something they aren't.  Just because you are not a Dom/submissive that meets my needs, does not make you less a "true" whatever you portray yourself as.  But if you pretend to be a Dom just because you think you can get a blow job in the parking lot on a first meeting, then you aren't being "true" at all.

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 2:05:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		How can you let the words of others you do not know personally and have no connection to affect you negatively?  If you were walking down the sidewalk and a street bum came up to you and called you a worthles skanky bitch would you take offense or walk away shaking your head.  This bum doesn't know you from adam, you wouldn't even think twice about his words, they would have no effect on you at all. Why let words from strangers on a message board be any different?

As for true - i can set my own standards as to what i feel is "true" but as long as i don't impose that on any other dynamic i can't see that as a bad thing.   We all need to judge what is in our own best interest so we set standards and judge whether others stand up to those standards or not.  We don't have to be rude and say - You're not "true" get out of here - just a simple no i don't think we would make a good match will suffice. People who have to shove "true" in other peoples faces, imo are insecure people.

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 2:50:25 PM   
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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 2:53:20 PM   
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I've decided that I'm an NBA star; no matter that I'm 42, 5-10, and unable to dribble a ball without looking at it.


Oh my God!!  You can dribble a ball just by looking at it?!?!?!  You must be an Uber NBA Star then  *w*

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 2:57:27 PM   
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I've decided that I'm an NBA star; no matter that I'm 42, 5-10, and unable to dribble a ball without looking at it.


Oh my God!!  You can dribble a ball just by looking at it?!?!?!  You must be an Uber NBA Star then  *w*


A telekenetic-uber-NBA star, good lady *nods solemnly*

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 2:59:30 PM   
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[A telekenetic-uber-NBA star, good lady *nods solemnly*


now if only you can score and get it into the hole ummmmmm basket  *W*

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 3:06:17 PM   
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I've decided that I'm an NBA star; no matter that I'm 42, 5-10, and unable to dribble a ball without looking at it.


To make it in the NBA, your dick would have to be 5-10.

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 3:06:36 PM   
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A telekenetic-uber-NBA star, good lady *nods solemnly*


*swoons*

Oh, wait... I don't like basketball...  what else can you do with that telekinesis?

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 3:07:13 PM   
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[A telekenetic-uber-NBA star, good lady *nods solemnly*


now if only you can score and get it into the hole ummmmmm basket  *W*


lol, yes, my friend, and as they say, practice makes perfect...... *looks around for vict, errr, volunteers*

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 3:08:22 PM   
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I've decided that I'm an NBA star; no matter that I'm 42, 5-10, and unable to dribble a ball without looking at it.


To make it in the NBA, your dick would have to be 5-10.


Well, then, I'm set!

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RE: There's on such thing as a "true master" ... - 6/23/2007 3:26:51 PM   
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A telekenetic-uber-NBA star, good lady *nods solemnly*


*swoons*

Oh, wait... I don't like basketball...  what else can you do with that telekinesis?


It helps de-skirting ladies.......
 
No basketball, huh..... have I ever told you folks about my baseball career? Carry a big bat..... lol

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