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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 2:42:37 PM

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>there was no greater bdsm moment captured on film, them the moment she peed in her wedding dress

Precisely my reaction, that was the truest moment in the film. I think there are enough of us out there who understand this to make telling such stories viable.

I saw this movie in a theatre. That was exactly my reaction too - that this was the best moment in the movie. (Second best was when her ex-fiance tried to haul her out of the chair and she fought him to make sure she stayed seated... no, second best was when her father said "I don't understand it but honey, if this makes you happy, then go for it.")

What was particularly interesting about that moment in the film wasn't just the moment in the film. It was the reaction of the audience. I sat in the balcony of the theatre I was watching it in and from around the theatre you could here "ewwww" coming from the vanilla people and "awwww" coming from those who understood. It was really quite interesting.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 3:07:41 PM

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I felt like I was alone in actually liking that movie. I know it was cheesy in some places, but when she sat there at that desk..it struck a deep cord in me. I wanted to find a dom that would make me feel that way, that would draw that sort of devotion from my soul.

I would love to find a movie that would do that all the way through, that would give me that connection.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 4:08:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: SlND3R3LLA

I felt like I was alone in actually liking that movie. I know it was cheesy in some places, but when she sat there at that desk..it struck a deep cord in me. I wanted to find a dom that would make me feel that way, that would draw that sort of devotion from my soul.

I would love to find a movie that would do that all the way through, that would give me that connection.

LOL i know what you mean...i just told my Daddy something to that effect the other night... that if it ever came down to it that i wanted to know that i had that kind of deep surrender to him and my own conviction and to being his that i would do that (or our equal type thing)...i didn't mention the peeing part, though it crossed my mind, i just lumped it in as "Lee's hunger strike"

Seems that made a huge impact on so many people

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 4:10:45 PM

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Could actually be made into a great movie, more like a love story (love-ish in some cases)...romantic none the less.

One of the best scriptwriting packages, Final Draft, offers a free 30 evaluation on Mac & PC. Download a copy, write your script and let's discuss it. Same suggestion to anyone who has expressed the idea such movies ought to be made.

Please keep us posted about "Devoted" and i attempted Final Draft (i think that was the one) a bunch of years ago and it confused me....i could write a story, itself, but adapting it for a screen play? Hmmm not sure of my own talent there.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 4:27:03 PM

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Please keep us posted about "Devoted" and i attempted Final Draft (i think that was the one) a bunch of years ago and it confused me....i could write a story, itself, but adapting it for a screen play? Hmmm not sure of my own talent there.

Don't worry about adapting to a script, I can make that happen if the story is good.

Tell me a story.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 7:57:42 PM

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9 1/2 Weeks and The Secretary are the two that impress me. Yeah, a more definitive work of our lifestyle has yet to be written.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 8:17:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: bladedom

quote:

ORIGINAL: charismagirrl

Please keep us posted about "Devoted" and i attempted Final Draft (i think that was the one) a bunch of years ago and it confused me....i could write a story, itself, but adapting it for a screen play? Hmmm not sure of my own talent there.

Don't worry about adapting to a script, I can make that happen if the story is good.
Tell me a story.

Many of us on here write. What do you mean by you can make it happen if a story is good? Do you adapt to the screen? Have you done that and sold screenplays?

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 8:43:58 PM

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Many of us on here write. What do you mean by you can make it happen if a story is good? Do you adapt to the screen? Have you done that and sold screenplays?

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My work has been documentary to this point but along the way I've connected with people I respect who can adapt a story or edit and massage a script for use. The key is it must something that can be shot digital, is very much about human interaction and emotion. that means the sets are homes, coffee shops, bookstores, and maybe a dungeon.

Following the model of Primer I know that money doesn't make the difference. There are $50,000 porn flicks that are crap, Primer is a $7,000 movie that won at Sundance.

For now I am basically encouraging people to stop waiting for someone else to make these strories come alive and do it themselves. The way to start is by writing and sharing stories to find the ones that have the most relevance to how we live. Turning that into a movie people want to see is relatively easy if the script is rock solid from the start.

The demo software is free, you can Google up info on any movie you ever liked or go to the Internet Movie Database to read up on it. I personally buy tons of DVD's just for the director commentary. (Ridley Scott does a great job on Alien).

In short, it isn't cash that is keeping our stories from being told it's not doing it ourselves. And since some folks need it spelled out for them, I'm not talking about raising money, I am talking about sharing writing ideas, samples, and critques. A good script will get made.

I've been busy finishing a documentary on black race car drivers, with just the addtion of narration left to complete before entering it into an upcoming festival. Once that's done, in about a week, I'll turn my attention back to re-writing 'Devoted'. I was lucky enough to have Lizzie Borden ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001962/ ) read an early draft and I am including her criticisms in the new version.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 8:51:48 PM

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I have the ability to write. I cant do scripts, I lose track, but I can do stories. My problem is that looking back at my relationships with both Angel for the year he has been mine, and Kitten for the months, aside from a few very special moments that we have shared... theres not much worth writing. I mean, we go months without seeing one another, and reading about the phone conversations isnt quite the same. I dont think anyone else would appreciate the little things I think are so special... which is the main reason it hasnt been written down yet.
Honestly, if someone WANTED to hear it, itd take me a lot of time to do the writing, but I could do the story. My issue is, aside from a few of you on the boards (many of which know a good deal of the better parts of the stories already) I cant magine who would want to hear it.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 8:52:33 PM

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Bladedom, thanks for your reply. There have been at least 3 Black NASCAR drivers, by the way. Willy Ribbs, Troy Adams and Tim Woods. Good luck with your ambitions and projects.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 8:57:05 PM

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This would be a new Movie making first... to show a real working BDSM d/s relationship going on.. WOW...

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 8:59:00 PM

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Bladedom, thanks for your reply. There have been at least 3 Black NASCAR drivers, by the way. Willy Ribbs, Troy Adams and Tim Woods. Good luck with your ambitions and projects.

Actually we're looking at the only black driver to win a NASCAR race: Wendell Scott.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Scott

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 9:11:33 PM

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This would be a new Movie making first... to show a real working BDSM d/s relationship going on.. WOW...

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

This would be a new Movie making first... to show a real working BDSM d/s relationship going on.. WOW...

That's the plan. I think all that's been lacking is believing critical mass had been reached for an audience and adjusting the movie making technology to that audience. If the only people who saw the 'Devoted' were members of collarme.com that would qualify as a significant portion of the leather community and possibly a coup for the site. There's no reason that the only thing collarme streams from the BDSM Movies link on the front page is porn. A good movie is still a good movie even if it premieres as a Flash download on collarme.com.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 9:28:15 PM

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One thing that would concern me about this....and unfortunately it's truth in so many relationships....

The fact that so many slaves/subs (not sure about Ds or Ms) come from abusive childhoods...whether it is a coincidence or the fact that "we" are looked as being extra easy targets due to the natural submissive nature (this is something for researchers and not for me to even guess at too hard)...This isn't saying ALL...but so many of us (and the world at large) do come from alot of abuse.

The concern comes in when thinking of a) how the vanilla public would look at it....the same way they look at strippers etc....that "Ohhhh that's why he/she is that way." b) the members of the community at large that weren't abused will be screaming about how unfairly and inaccutately BDSM relationships were portrayed.

The fact that a history of abuse, to a movie going public would make it a more intense story and play well on screen is important though when considering....Also, when one is transformed, like "Lee" was in "The Secretary" it really can show some of the beauty that comes with submission....some of the stuff that i never considered prior to my relationship but some of the most important parts of it...who i am becoming as a slave and how that person is soooo way better than the person i was prior to it. (i am certain that i am NOT the only one although i can only speak for me)

Any thoughts?

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 9:34:32 PM

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What I'd really like to see is the story of a strong, intelligent woman who is unfulfilled because she has spent her life trying to live according to society's norms when at her core she truly has a slave's heart. Perhaps this doesn't come easy to her, even the initial steps into the lifestyle, and of course there are missteps as she learns who she can trust to lead her to that place of surrender. And though there are incredibly erotic moment, there's also inner turmoil, and friends/family who just don't get it. But as she embraces her path, even and especially the painful parts of it, she finds that she becomes truly free for the first time in her life. Of course it will take a loving, strong and wise Master to lead her there.

I know that there are many on this site who have experienced this, and have even articulated much of their journey on the forums so beautifully. I know a lot about dramatic structure and narrative story and have my MA in Communication/Film so perhaps I can help craft the essence of someone's story into something that would work on the screen. I believe that people are moved by authenticity, a good story, and amazing acting so I think it could very much reach a market beyond those of us in the lifestyle.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/25/2007 9:39:47 PM

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Charismagirrl,

I agree with you that many of us are drawn to reclaim ourselves by experiencing control without the abuse we experienced as children--facing those scary places with someone who is not an abuser or a bully but rather strong enough to take us through to the other side. I'd love to see this as an element of a beautifully-realized film, but of course it would need to go beyond stereotypes and plumb the depths of the psyche, which is unique with personal details.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/26/2007 3:14:41 AM

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Charismagirrl,

I agree with you that many of us are drawn to reclaim ourselves by experiencing control without the abuse we experienced as children--facing those scary places with someone who is not an abuser or a bully but rather strong enough to take us through to the other side. I'd love to see this as an element of a beautifully-realized film, but of course it would need to go beyond stereotypes and plumb the depths of the psyche, which is unique with personal details.

See, the problem with this scenario is precisely what someone else on this thread said about Secretary, that "The sub, was a socially inept, self mutilator coming out of psychological hospitalization." I don't know if that's the image I'd like to put out there about those of us s-types. I would kinda like to find a way to show D/s for the beautiful dance it is, not just some cure-all for an abusive past.

By the way, I would more than qualify as one of those "socially inept" people since by virtue of this thing we call submission, I didn't fare very well growing up in a woman take control kind of environment (although I did a reasonable job of putting a good mask on my confusion over the whole thing - fooled even myself for a while.)

Anyway, back to the topic at hand... that's a tough call. I don't want the submissive dismissed as "broken" and being taken advantage of by the big bad dominant kind of thing.. but since I'm a rotten story teller....

juliet

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/26/2007 3:33:13 AM

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Oooh Oooh Oooh, I just had an idea...

How about a series of four short stories?

Instead of trying to create a full length filmable story about all this, how about a series of four short stories that connect in some way about 3 different couples and their journies here?

1) a single dominant as he comes to accept this about himself - and his struggle to find the right submissive
2) a single submissive as she struggles to find herself and comes to terms with this - and her struggle to find the right dominant
3) a couple undergoing this journey together
4) a male submissive and his female dominant - their journey

Connect them through their interactions at a munch (or play party, but that tends to push this more in the direction of a porn thing)...

Brainstorming here:

Conversations at a munch, interspersed with each couple/individual's storyline with the action flipping back and forth between the munch and the story, with their conversations introducing each different vignette

Or even interviews (like in the movie Reds) doing the same thing to move action forward.

juliet

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/26/2007 3:47:58 AM

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Anyway, back to the topic at hand... that's a tough call. I don't want the submissive dismissed as "broken" and being taken advantage of by the big bad dominant kind of thing..

Understood, and it somewhat presuposes the story is mostly about a male sominant and a female submissive and it doesn't include the rest of the supporting community.

My original script opens at a munch happening at a pie shop, the waitress explaing to one of her skeptical co-wokers that unlike many of her customers no in this group grabbed her ass or were rude. In fact many were strangely polite, always calling her ma'am.

The story was less 9 1/2 weeks and more 'The Company' (I'd say MASH or the Player which are better examples of Altman's work, but a bit violent).

In 'Devoted' people fall in & out of love, marry, divorce, go to work, hang out over coffee, go bowling, and once in a small while they engage in what you might call BDSM play, the type anyone can recognize.

What makes it different is the amount of type they spend in more subtle D/s exchanges where the glance is an order and kneeling at the bookstore to fetch a book from the lower shelf is play. The movie is about average people living their lives, BDSM isn't everything they do but D/s is everything they are. Even when they are working at the grocery store or a coffee shop.

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RE: Telling Our Stories - 6/26/2007 4:00:12 AM

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Anyway, back to the topic at hand... that's a tough call. I don't want the submissive dismissed as "broken" and being taken advantage of by the big bad dominant kind of thing..

Understood, and it somewhat presuposes the story is mostly about a male sominant and a female submissive and it doesn't include the rest of the supporting community.

yup...that's why the vignette idea appeals to me

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My original script opens at a munch happening at a pie shop, the waitress explaing to one of her skeptical co-wokers that unlike many of her customers no in this group grabbed her ass or were rude. In fact many were strangely polite, always calling her ma'am.

The story was less 9 1/2 weeks and more 'The Company' (I'd say MASH or the Player which are better examples of Altman's work, but a bit violent).

In 'Devoted' people fall in & out of love, marry, divorce, go to work, hang out over coffee, go bowling, and once in a small while they engage in what you might call BDSM play, the type anyone can recognize.

What makes it different is the amount of type they spend in more subtle D/s exchanges where the glance is an order and kneeling at the bookstore to fetch a book from the lower shelf is play. The movie is about average people living their lives, BDSM isn't everything they do but D/s is everything they are. Even when they are working at the grocery store or a coffee shop.

I like the pie shop idea very much. Pretty much on the same lines as I was thinking. I also like the vanilla person (the waitress or someone like that) interacting and "explaining" their insights into our world...

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