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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/25/2007 11:29:56 PM   
Vendaval


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

A Junkie can justify *ANY* action to support their addiction.

You all are grown ups, you've dealt with Junkies.

Never trust a Junkie.

The US Government is addicted to the Power it's taken over the years.

Never trust a Junkie.



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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/26/2007 8:26:12 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		this begs the question- what % does the us people get printed. they have mine. in fact...they have my whole family.  mom worked for the post office. dad was in navy. 3out of 4 bros were arrestted.

so to our friends in the EU- it isnt that big of a deal. as i recall old birth certificates have a thumb print and foot print.

i remember my person episode of being printed. the cop -was angerred that i couldnt relax- was left handed and had carpal tunnel. he was so taken by this he forget to photgrpah me!!   when he said i could leave i said nooo u did not photo me. [ why dresss up 2x?]

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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/26/2007 9:23:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I'm afraid, folks, that Fargle is right. The U.S. Constitution delimits the power of the Federal Gvt


On a further note, if the Government is limited and cannot do unreasonable searches and seizures on a Citizen, but a Citizen can only be determined by doing an unreasonable search and seizure, where does that leave the Constitutionality of fingerprinting E.U. citizens?

Try the following experiment, label one glass The Government, label one glass PERSON, put a folded scrap of paper that says citizen under the glass marked PERSON.  Explain to The Government glass that it cannot see what is in the glass marked Person.

Wait to see how long it takes The Government glass to find out whether the piece of paper says CITIZEN or PERSON.

Take a third glass marked Happy Hour.  Fill with an 18 year old single malt.  Imbibe.

Sinergy

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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/26/2007 12:42:43 PM   
amaidiamond


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Status: offline 		I had no problem getting into Chicago - retina scans, pic and fingerprints taken and no problems, it was getting OUT that caused me blushes as my collar and piercings set off the metal detectors *giggles* I'm SURE he knew that when He locked it on....

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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/26/2007 12:44:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

I'm already fed up of being treated like a criminal when I go to the states, I think with this I'll just give it a miss from now on, it's just not worth it.

I just hope the EU treat Americans like criminals in return.


Hey come on cut us some slack are you griping about our friendly nazi hospitality?  sheeees


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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/26/2007 12:46:30 PM   
BOUNTYHUNTER


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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/26/2007 12:52:55 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

I'm afraid, folks, that Fargle is right. The U.S. Constitution delimits the power of the Federal Gvt


On a further note, if the Government is limited and cannot do unreasonable searches and seizures on a Citizen, but a Citizen can only be determined by doing an unreasonable search and seizure, where does that leave the Constitutionality of fingerprinting E.U. citizens?

Try the following experiment, label one glass The Government, label one glass PERSON, put a folded scrap of paper that says citizen under the glass marked PERSON.  Explain to The Government glass that it cannot see what is in the glass marked Person.

Wait to see how long it takes The Government glass to find out whether the piece of paper says CITIZEN or PERSON.

Take a third glass marked Happy Hour.  Fill with an 18 year old single malt.  Imbibe.

Sinergy


i ma trying to figure out what situation you might be thinking of that would warrant an unreasonable search and seizure?

The correct procedure would be to file with the FISA court to insure the search is reasonable then when granted, the person has a choice either show something or not do whatever it is they came to do.

i know it was inconvenient but the last thing we want is to sacrifice out rights for convenience as we have done in the past, but i fear we will continue because some, well i believe most people wont appreciate them till they are gone.


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Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/26/2007 12:59:22 PM   
popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

I'm already fed up of being treated like a criminal when I go to the states, I think with this I'll just give it a miss from now on, it's just not worth it.

I just hope the EU treat Americans like criminals in return.


Hey come on cut us some slack are you griping about our friendly nazi hospitality?  sheeees



Hell Meat, just sneak in over the Mexican border!
No lines, "no waiting", you could be dressed in red playing a fuckin TUBA and they wouldn't catch you!

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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/26/2007 4:46:39 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

i ma trying to figure out what situation you might be thinking of that would warrant an unreasonable search and seizure?



My comments were in response to what some have posted making the comment that the US Constitution ONLY applies to US citizens.

There is no specific method of forcing a PERSON to prove their citizenship.

Sure, make it a requirement that all person's have to show their ID when going through the airport, but then tell the people complaining that they are citizens and should not be subjected to it that the law either applies to all people, or it applies to no people. 

Sinergy

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RE: US to fingerprint EU visitors - 6/26/2007 5:36:46 PM   
farglebargle


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FREE PEOPLE DON'T *HAVE* "PAPERS".



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