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ORIGINAL: MisstressNboytoy

Recently, I've seen a lot of posts in the forums from subs that have greatly surprised me. From the thread in this section about financial domination to the health and safety section about std's,
FYI: I have not read these threads.

submissives continue to express their unfaltering devotion to their owners no matter what is being asked of them.
First there is nothing inherently "wrong" with unfaltering devotion. Expressing one's devotion and "proving" ones devotion is very different.

If an owner KNOWS their property, they (D) will NOT demand
they(s) do what they know will emotionally, physically, mentally harm them. 
This has nothing to do with pushing limits.
I will give an example. I implicitly (Having no doubts or reservations; unquestioning: implicit trust) TRUST my Sir because over the last 5 months, He has NEVER given reason for me to mistrust him.  He frequently will ask, "Will my girl do anything I ask of her?"  He knows me emotionally and mentally, I KNOW it.  I can say "Yes Sir" unwaveringly.
In the last D/s relationship, he did NOT know me as this dom does but demanded "blind obedience."  I did not know how harmful it would be then, but I was quite fearful many times of his demands, knowing that putting myself in social, physical and emotinal danger was a consequence of "blind obedience" to him.  He was also rarely present when demanded to put myself in harms way....  it was his way or the highway.
This is NOT my Sir now.  Yesterday, He again asked, "will you do anything for me?"  Implicitly I said "yes."
Lo and behold, He had a surprise for me.  3 new things... they were not limits, just new and He loves surprising me.  BUT I am safely with Him, in His presence. 
If the former Dom had expected/demanded these 3 new things by blind obedience Iwould have been emotionally semi traumatized.
 


Complete submission and trust is a beautiful thing, but is it truly ever all right to stop thinking of your own well-being in order to please your owner?
ONLY IF YOU HAVE IMPLICIT TRUST IN YOUR OWNER.

I'm not talking about refusing to do dishes because american idol is on tv, the issues from the above mentioned threads were much more serious. For example, a few women in the thread about std's remarked that they would happily have unprotected sex with men if their master ordered them to, because their bodies belonged to him no matter what he chose to do with them. ... and I was thinking, WHAT?
Yes, out of "blind obedience" I did this.  My present Sir, would never require or demand it.  In fact, when he learned about some of the things I did permit in "blind obedience," He was disappointed in me for allowing it and having such a poor self image.

I'm sure a lot of subs believe that their owners have all of their best interests in mind. Maybe they do. I do the best I can to ensure I don't make decisions that would endanger my submissive in any way, but the fact is, somehow it would be a big turn off if I thought he would run out in front of bus because I said so. (Which is basically the same as having unprotected sex. (AMEN !! AMEN !! AMEN !!) And who's to say I always know what the best thing for him is? Though I will always do my best to take care of him, I will also always expect him to tell me if I give him an order that is simply not feasible / is dangerous / etc.
I believe IF you know your submissive, you WILL know if it is simply not feasible or is dangerous.

So, when your master or mistress gives you an order, what is the thought process that goes through your mind?
This Sir I know is totally into me and will not harm me.

Do you do it immediately no matter what, or do you think about what the consequences might be?
I do it.  I was told to call Saturday night and fell asleep before 9pm, and instead of punishing me, He realized I had fallen asleep and did not punish me.  He knew how my day had gone on Sat by 5pm and what my dad on Sunday would be like. 
The consequences?  Because of our relationship, I fear no consequences. 

Where is the line between where you wouldn't think about it at all, and where you would refuse?
I stepped out of the other relationship emotionally and mentally, way after I had stopped trusting and obeying.  He was not into me, I was his option and when I finally came to terms with it, it had been a good 9 months that I hadnt allowed him to harm me any further.  
 
Now?  There is nothing I would refuse my Sir. Why?  Because He has proved His honor and integrity to me.

Have you talked it over with your owner, so that he or she will know ahead of time?
Sexually ~ there are things He brings to the table and we discuss it/them. He allows me to say I am not ready yet.  The gleem in my eye reflects I am ready. There are things I bring to the table that surprises Him...for example, the amount of nipple pain I could take.

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ORIGINAL: MisstressNboytoy
is it truly ever all right to stop thinking of your own well-being in order to please your owner?

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I'm sure a lot of subs believe that their owners have all of their best interests in mind. Maybe they do.

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 somehow it would be a big turn off if I thought he would run out in front of bus because I said so.

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 (Which is basically the same as having unprotected sex.)

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So, when your master or mistress gives you an order, what is the thought process that goes through your mind? Do you do it immediately no matter what, or do you think about what the consequences might be?

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Where is the line between where you wouldn't think about it at all, and where you would refuse?

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Have you talked it over with your owner, so that he or she will know ahead of time?

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ORIGINAL: MisstressNboytoySo, when your master or mistress gives you an order, what is the thought process that goes through your mind? Do you do it immediately no matter what, or do you think about what the consequences might be? Where is the line between where you wouldn't think about it at all, and where you would refuse? Have you talked it over with your owner, so that he or she will know ahead of time?