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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 8:58:00 AM

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This is exactly what DIANE and I envisioned,bought the land,started developing it build a cabin or two, then suddenly there were homes ,summer camps sprouting up all over around us.WE had thought maybe we were going to buy up it all since it was so cheap..A rumor had spread that it was a housing development going up there and the rush was on to cash in...If the idiot's had stopped to think, there wasn't any water ,No sewage there..SO a long story shorten we sold that piece and looking for a more remote piece of property for a lifestyle commune and training center...bounty

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 9:04:12 AM

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When I read the OP what I saw was a typical subdivision much like all of those around me build by Carillon or some such contracting company. They are gated, they have fences around them and you may or may not know your neighbor. You have the ability to do whatever you want in your own back yard because your neighbors may be doing it too. You can have your own fences, your own yard, your own house and there is a community "Playground" somewhere in the middle.

I see the vision, I don't see the implementation. My slave is right about climate. Unless they exist all over the world, there would never be consensus on WHERE to build. MercTech is right who would the "homeowner's association" consist of? LA is right. Ok, I can do what I want in my own yard, but can I do that at 3 a.m. even though others have to get up for work and my slave is screaming his head off? Who is all powerful and makes the rules?

Even though we are all "tolerant" of each others' kinks, we are not all tolerant of each other. What happens when my neighbor who hates me decides enough is enough and calls the cops for some illegal thing I've done, even though within "our" community it is perfectly acceptable?

We claim tolerance but we as a collective whole are not nearly as tolerant as we truly wish we were. If we were tolerant we wouldn't argue piss and moan on these boards. I can't imagine us collectively, in person for more than a weekend together.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 9:08:10 AM

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MercTeach,

That is what He has in mind, a gated community, separate homes, large 5 acre plots, so there would be privacy, very small community. The issues that He and i have discussed about this are some of things that have been raised in this thread, UM's, resales, unfair sales practices and the like.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 9:19:12 AM

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NO gates nor cabins crowed together,a community scattered about with room to grow.A communal meeting place,not a club house, a very few selected individuals for starters and of courses room for our dungeon and training facilties...remote at least 500 acres in the mountains some wheres,The climate here in WV isn't that bad....would be great for crafters or those that work from home....bounty

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 9:21:55 AM

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Really I honestly think I tend to have more in common with my family and my Firefly fan friends than I do with most kinky people. And while I enjoy a sense of community and having a scene, I wouldn't really get much from living in such a community 24/7.

Give me cosmopolitan access, great concerts, great food, good schools and gym with a hot tub over kinky any day.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 9:22:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DamianTheX

I have had a vision of a neighborhood in a wooded area, gated with fence all around it. This neighborhood would be open to any lifestyle folks as well as swingers, nudists and the gay/lesbian community. Essentially it would be a place to live where the "deviants" would be more than welcome. After pitching the basic idea to a new friend of mine (swinger), he spoke with a buddy of his (developer/lifestyle?) and they want to meet with me to get my idea and maybe roll with it into reality.
One question I am sure that will come up is "What is the demand for such a neighborhood?"
There are plenty of other questions and legalities (permits, etc.), but you guys can answer: What IS the demand for such a place? Would you move to a neighborhood where everyone there is open minded to whatever goes on on everyone else's private lot?
Thanks for your feedback.
X

**EDIT**
Thanks for your feedback, Rover. Just to add, this would not be like the peace/love communes of the sixties. This would be a middle class aimed neighborhood and would not differ much from the standard association based "adult" communities full of professionals and working deviants. There would be some communal ideas, but for the most part that would be centered around community land use.

Possibly. It would depend on the rules of the neighborhood. We wouldn't move into a place where scenes were happening on the front lawn in the middle of the day. We plan to have UMs at some point and that isn't something we want them to see.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 9:42:07 AM

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I think to be realistic, people have to accept that there are going to be disputes in ANY community. I live in a small old neighborhood where the houses are RightNextDoor to each other and the lawns are tiny---but people still bitch about somebody's "lawn" not being nice enough.

5 acre plots gives alot of breathing room. And as far as "riff-raff" moving in and wrecking it for everyone---Homeowners are usually a more serious and responsible bunch. They are going to have something invested in the property and the whole idea. If it was more of a commune thing, say where people were renting---I could see "bad apples" being more of a problem.

I don't think that scenes on the front lawn would be a good idea at any time. But with private back yards, as long as the noise was kept down--that seems like a really freeing thing---to be able to step outside with your slave in bonds and not have to worry at all.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 9:51:03 AM

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That is sort of more what He and i have been discussing, back yards on a 5 acre lot would give plenty of rooms for scenes and also depending where on that lot one decided to build the house, there could be lots of space between the houses to deal with any "potential" noise problem. As the OP indicated, this is all in the really "pre-planning" phase.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 10:02:19 AM

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Co-housing has been a similar effort that has worked well, especially in the communities where the people were skillful and committed negotiators who were willing to put in the time to work through the "people" issues.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 10:04:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyOpinx

5 acre plots gives alot of breathing room. And as far as "riff-raff" moving in and wrecking it for everyone---Homeowners are usually a more serious and responsible bunch. They are going to have something invested in the property and the whole idea. If it was more of a commune thing, say where people were renting---I could see "bad apples" being more of a problem.

Lady O

I've found this concept to be less then realistic. I've seen plenty of homeowners that have let there property go to shit. Because one is a homeowner doesn't mean that they're more responsible.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 10:05:44 AM

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I hate to be a nay-sayer, but it would be difficult for me to dwell happily in an intentional community that was founded solely on the people having BDSM in common. It would be incredibly important to me that the people share a similar world-view (political leanings, spirituality-as-important regardless of the brand, eco-friendly, culturally open...) to mine as well.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 10:08:32 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
......they are called communes - or 'sects' or even 'cults'.
It's nothing new.

Ditto what has been said above, and repeatedly. What about those of us with childnren? The sort of 'neighborhood' that is being discussed is NOT copasetic for raising children.

I DO go to a few nudist resorts a few times a year, they are a great way to get away for a few days and not have to wear any clothes, no kids, no camera, nothing, very relaxing; but to have my child around that stuff, CPS [child protective services] would have my munchkin out of my arms faster than I could blink. No thank you.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 10:14:17 AM

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count me out.

since it would be an "adult" community i would have to presume that UMs wouldn't be allowed inside your "utopian" community ...and since i have UMs - well you see where this is going ...they don't need to be exposed to someone's privates or adult lifestyle. it's a nice idea but it wouldn't be right for me.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 10:32:48 AM

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Lots of great points brought up and the same questions that I have been thinking myself.

Who is lord and all powerful over all the land?
Simple...I am. Aren't I already?!
Really though, there would be an association involved, but no aesthetics committee.

I have a neighborhood in mind that I would ideally pattern this around, they're just not kinky. It's not like a Gatewood or Saltine Lakes communities where you can actually SEE your neighbors' houses. There are trees between all the houses and between the houses and the main inroad.

I had thought about the UM situation and had a few thoughts around that, but haven't come up with a solid answer yet. The point would be how would one let the rest of the neighbors know to keep a lid on it because 'Mom's coming over'? Specific UM-friendly days of the week, maybe?
All "family" holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc.) are "out of view" days - remember, there are five acres between you and your neighbor.

It's not a commune, it's not a sect, it's not a compound, it's not a cult. There's no head-master, there's no supreme leader and there's no common rituals, there's no altar, there's no tattoo/rite of passage/branding that anyone has to go through. They get referred by someone who knows what goes on in the neighborhood, they buy a house, they get a gate key code.
If you found out your neighbor was kinky, would that be a cult? No. You would just have kinky neighbors.
Seriously, it's just a neighborhood where if you want to dislike your neighbor; fine. Dislike him because he's a jerk. HOWEVER, he's a jerk that owns his little piece of property and you own yours. I don't know about you, but I get sick of the idea that I feel like I have to make absolutely positively sure my drapes are drawn, duct taped and spray painted to keep my neighbors from catching a glimpse of what I do and making a stink of it. That's it. No free love, no crocheting jackets, no making crafts to sell for the survival of the group. It’s a neighborhood with a pavilion and a picnic area and you already know your neighbors are kinky.

It's been my experience that heavy drug addicts have a hard time buying $170-$250 K homes in the country. When I said communal ideas, I should have been more specific in stating that there would be some basic areas in the neighborhood that would be open to all residents to use and take care of; pavillion, picnic area, etc.

It sounds like EarthyCouple and LadyOpinix get the idea; regular neighborhood where your neighbors might not like you but at least you can step outside without them glaring at you.
HeartfeltSub - thanks for your clarifications. I know you've heard it all before and could probably field this conversation completely.
BountyHunter - what other details did you work out and what other pitfalls did you run into. 500 acres in the WV mountains sounds great to me, but I was thinking more in the central VA area where I am now.

Thanks for your input, everybody.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 10:48:43 AM

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Nice concept and while i wouldn't mind having the freedom of letting my slave mow the lawn naked or any other such activity. In reality though there are way too many problems with this idea, many have already been mentioned. But the three really big ones for any homeowner would be:

1) children.
2) vanilla visitor's (be sort of hard to explain to a slaves mother who is unaware of her child's lifestyle choice why she cannot come over and visit.).
3) Resale value

To get this started your probably talking a original purchase value of about $200,000 per property. Being as a home is an investment you would expect it to grow in value you expect to get more for it then you paid for it when you sell it, or at least break even. So lets say your answer to the children problem is to not allow them, and a couple that has been there for a few years gets pregnant and suddenly have to move due to the association rules or they just simply decide not to raise thier children in that type of environment. So now they have to sell the house, lets face it there is not going to be a huge market for this type of property, i doubt that any real estate agent would even touch this property (Can you imagine a realtor saying to some prospective vanilla buyers "I got this great property, you wouldn't happen to be into BDSM would you?"). So the couple would then have to find thier own buyer, and suddenly are turned into what is known as a motivated seller which means they are going to take far less then what they paid for it just to get out from underneath it. That's where the welfare mama's and drug addicts and dope dealers end up coming in, and before long you end up with a community that is nowhere near the original intention. The only real way you'd be able to do this sort of thing is offer a guaranteed buyback by the association for at least the original purchase price and i doubt that anyone would offer that as the association could possibly end up owning every property in the community.

Seriously the OP and Bountyhunter need to rethink thier strategy on this type of thing, I would suggest more of a timeshare type thing (Hell I'd do a time share in a BDSM community and i think time shares are horrible investments) or a resort. Trying to build this type of community and homeowners association is probably going to lead to disaster.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 11:10:34 AM

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MasterofYouToo, I like the idea of making it a timeshare.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/27/2007 3:09:02 PM

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having lived on an actual commune fairly recently, i'll just say that y'all better be prepared for more interpersonal drama in your kinky relationships than you've ever imagined... it's bad enough with the vanilla folks.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/29/2007 9:37:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DamianTheX

MasterofYouToo, I like the idea of making it a timeshare.

Well, if you do manage to do it let me know. I'd be up for a BDSM timeshare and i know my little slave would love the idea too.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/29/2007 3:31:25 PM

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OMG......I can absolutely visualize the Tuchuk doing just that. That would be awesome. *G*

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/29/2007 6:33:23 PM

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As cool of an idea as it sounds

there is something called the fair housing act that strictly prohibits this from happening.

I'm a realtor and have been in and around the profession my whole life in just about every sense.

*wouldn't want you to get sued or go to prison* seriously just do an internet search on the Fair housing act

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