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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/29/2007 11:03:08 PM

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let me ask this question. How many, if any, have something in their background that you wouldn't like? Rapist, child molesters, ex-con,.. they do range in all different
communities, work, priests, etc....you get the idea.. What would not be tolerated in this community? Rules would have to be establishes but then rules are made to be broken. How would u toss somebody out that wasn't accepted for being what they are..? I can see lawsuits....sad to say...but it does happen.

yes, i agree they were called communes and they didn't last long did they?

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/29/2007 11:39:02 PM

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Here I thought this magical land already existed. It was called "Japan".

(just kidding)

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/30/2007 8:01:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: DamianTheX

I have had a vision of a neighborhood in a wooded area, gated with fence all around it. This neighborhood would be open to any lifestyle folks as well as swingers, nudists and the gay/lesbian community. Essentially it would be a place to live where the "deviants" would be more than welcome. After pitching the basic idea to a new friend of mine (swinger), he spoke with a buddy of his (developer/lifestyle?) and they want to meet with me to get my idea and maybe roll with it into reality.
One question I am sure that will come up is "What is the demand for such a neighborhood?"
There are plenty of other questions and legalities (permits, etc.), but you guys can answer: What IS the demand for such a place? Would you move to a neighborhood where everyone there is open minded to whatever goes on on everyone else's private lot?
Thanks for your feedback.
X

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Thanks for your feedback, Rover. Just to add, this would not be like the peace/love communes of the sixties. This would be a middle class aimed neighborhood and would not differ much from the standard association based "adult" communities full of professionals and working deviants. There would be some communal ideas, but for the most part that would be centered around community land use.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and maybe I missed something in the discussion), but is this really much different from what essentially exists in a lot of sexually free communities we have now around the U.S. and elsewhere? I'm thinking about Provincetown, Mass., the Chelsea section of Manhattan, San Francisco. The big difference is that these places are urban, yours would be suburban/rural. In all these places you can't get away with everything in public but you can do a lot, usually at certain events. That might not be a bad model for this type of community: I know there are certain parades and events where nudity is accepted (I've seen pictures of people nude on parade), and there are certainly events where it's accepted in public for kinksters to be led around on leashes while they're in leather costume, for instance. In this kind of community you might have a nude-friendly event at the community house or a leather picnic or whatnot. Those would obviously be times when inviting the relatives over would be a bad idea, although in the long run your community is going to be known as kinky and it's going to be commented on in the media. You really can't avoid that, so if you live there, all of your relatives are going to know. Provincetown, Mass. is that way. Then again, people like Norman Mailer live there, right? It's not that big a deal.

It seems to me that this would work if you marketed it to kinky/'gay/nudist people from urban areas who are looking for something more rural. In recent years, lots of urban people who have been making good money in Manhattan have seen the low prices in the Catskills and have bought homes there (one example of a much bigger trend). Of course, people from Chelsea or San Francisco or Provincetown who want a more rural, private environment to do what they want to do can just get their own private plot of land and do it. They can even find rural places where there are other kinksters or people with a freer sexual lifestyle: Woodstock, N.Y. is an example, although most people even there are pretty conservative. Your innovation is to have the community center and an openness about sexuality and kink that you don't have in other rural places. I have a feeling that something like this will eventually happen, and if it doesn't work out here, maybe it will when some urban kink community will, all together, get a rural spot (or maybe one even within good commuting distance of a city, say 45 minutes from the city) for recreation and then find that some people want to live out there full time. It will be something like a kink country club with a bunch of kinksters living nearby, forming, essentially, a community. I can imagine a few kink-friendly bed and breakfast places springing up and even a kink-friendly little tourist industry getting started. That happens now with gays. Getting a gated community with a community center is not a large step beyond that. You might want to ask yourselves: has a gated community happened with gays? Why or why not?

It would have rules like everything has rules nowadays. You would have to have an understanding with police and local authorities the way every kink establishment and major event today has them. A more liberal or libertarian rural community would be much easier to set things up in, but being a gated community would make that part easier. It wouldn't be all that different from what we now have.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/30/2007 8:12:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Possibly. It would depend on the rules of the neighborhood. We wouldn't move into a place where scenes were happening on the front lawn in the middle of the day. We plan to have UMs at some point and that isn't something we want them to see.

You know, as I think about it, with sex and society, things change. Think about where gays were in society 20 years ago and where they are today. You set up a kinky community and, no matter what the rules you set out with, there will always be pressure for scenes to be played out in the front yard in the middle of the day. First it will happen illicitly and then you'll have the police over and it will be a scandal. Then it will happen and someone won't bother to call the cops or even deal with it -- they'll turn away and pretend it didn't happen. Then it will happen a few more times and in everybody's mind there will be a precedent, but it will be unspoken and occasionally people will be called on it. Then things will die down for a while and, by the time your UMs are teenagers, it will be happening again. And your UMs may be involved. In somebody's front yard. In the middle of the day. And you won't want the police called. And the community will eventually decide, what the hell, let's just allow it. When you get a social dynamic that favors freedom, this is the way things trend, or slide, or progress -- however you want to think about it. At the very least, the tension is inevitable. And change in some form is inevitable. Just look at the experience of gays in society over the past 20 years. That's your model. Or at least that's my 2 cents.

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/30/2007 8:18:50 AM

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Alvin Toffler, in his book "Future Shock" once talked about the possible rise of "themed communities" as an outgrowth of the "Disney mindset." In the late 80's and early 90's he was almost proven right, what with the opening of themed resteraunts, and the gated communities like "Celebration" in Orlando.

Unfortunately, (or perhaps fortunately) the concept never caught on. It seems human beings are far too diverse in their interests and passions to build their lives around just one aspect of existence, like sex. Also, there are problems with how such a community would remain in good standing with the surrounding municipalities: Would the community you are proposing be a part of the local school district? Waste management? How would it fit into the State and county tax structure? Would the entire community be catagorized as a huge "adult business" and only be allowed to exist within industrial zoning? Would you have your own police force, or depend on those of a larger city, leaving yourslef open to harassment, or even having your 911 calls ignored because they came from "pervert town?"

Such a community is possible, sure. But it quickly becomes a can of worms.

A community like you are proposing would have to be self sufficient, and isolated from it's neighbors. Perhaps a small mountain town, or an island. It would have to have some sort of strong government, and police keeping force, since being in such an enviroment would eventually seduce people into thinking they could bend, then break the rules.

There's a great book available at your local library (either it's on the shelves, or you can get it through inter-library loan) called "Celebration" which is about Disney's experience in creating that township's gated community. It also has several chapters about design considerations in civic planning, and local government structure. If you are serious about learning more about building such a neighborhood, it's a great read!

I'm think, that for the time being at least, BDSM will remain a lifestyle practiced only in private, and in semi-public. (privately held events and parties)

It's a great fantasy though... It would certainly perk up those damned, boring, city council meetings!

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/30/2007 8:42:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: Masterofyoutoo

Nice concept and while i wouldn't mind having the freedom of letting my slave mow the lawn naked or any other such activity. In reality though there are way too many problems with this idea, many have already been mentioned. But the three really big ones for any homeowner would be:

1) children.
2) vanilla visitor's (be sort of hard to explain to a slaves mother who is unaware of her child's lifestyle choice why she cannot come over and visit.).
3) Resale value

The problems brought up here are largely solved with five acres in an area where there are a lot of trees. The trees and bushes in the Northeast (and I assume elsewhere) provide enormous privacy. I'm constantly amazed just after the leaves fall from the trees in the autumn that there are so many multistory buildings so close to the highway, for instance -- they just get hidden by the leaves for six months of the year. With five acre lots, in a nude-friendly gated community, everybody can have a private front lawn unseen from the road.

Given enough acreage, you can even have a picnic area and community center unseen from the road. You can have gay-themed, nudist and kinky parties at different times, making it easier for various people to all live there and allowing you to appeal to a wider market for homeowners. If the rules are "nude friendly", then you can walk your dog in the nude on the road, or mow your front lawn in the nude, wearing a collar. Or you could decide you don't want to be quite that nude friendly and just have a rule saying nudity is allowed but not where it can be seen from the street. For instance, on your front lawn which is well away from the road and behind a screen of trees and bushes, maybe an acre or two or three of woods. Or you have a fence.

Do you want to raise children in that environment? Some will, some won't. As I say above, expect grandma to know. And the ex. And that may or may not cause a problem with custody of your children if you're divorced.

I think the major selling point for kinksters would be that it makes BDSM socializing more convenient in a rural or suburban setting. (Other than the individual homes and property themselves, that may be the only selling point.) Without the convenience of your local BDSM socializing, there may not be that much difference with anybody who has a home in a private setting.

If your real estate offices are in Chelsea and in some very kink-friendly neighborhood in San Francisco (and it may help to be within commuting distance of New York or San Francisco), then resale may not be a problem. You might even resell to people tolerant of the lifestyle(s) but not a part of it (or of them).

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RE: Lifestyle Neighborhood - 6/30/2007 8:49:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

i have lived in a few places like the ones you desribe....one in london, one in oregon, one on big island...heres the problem....one bad apple really does spoil the whole bunch....

perverts, lazy lay-abouts, drug addicts, and abusers are attracted to communities such as these and honestly one dreadful incident will ruin everything.

do you have any plans on how you will keep that element out?

yes I agree.

1. Background Check
2. Sex Offender Register (do not want any chesters the molesters
3. Personal Reffernces
4. A In Depth Review Board of 3 to screen

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