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Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 4:19:22 PM   
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Ok, please bear with me here.  After reading some recent responses (mostly from kyraofmists - thanks for the food for thought), I have a question.  I'm paraphrasing here, so forgive me if I don't get this exactly right, but basically she spoke about knowing that her master has made and will probably continue to make some decisions that are going to be painful for her.  She mentioned that something happened a short while back where she was not able to make the decision she wanted.  If I remember correctly, it involved something happening that - if she had final say - would have caused her to be on a flight across the country but her master told her not to do so.  She said on that post and in ones today that, even though some of the decisions she must abide by cause her pain, she understands that and abides by them.

Ok...with all that said.....that got me thinking.  My Master also makes all final decisions.  Some of those are ones I would not necessarily make myself.  Yet, like kyra spoke about, they are abided by for better or worse, so to speak.  So, my question is this:  To all you subs/slaves out there whose Dom/me or Master/Mistress does have such final authority in all/most matters, when they make a decision that you find painful (and one different from what you would have decided), do they explain why to you?  I know, at least for me, Master is under no obligation to explain Himself to me but He always does.  He wants to make it very clear to me that He's not just deciding something contrary to what I would because He can, but because He has considered all things and made the decision He considers wisest/best.  He has no qualms about discussing with me just why He makes such decisions. So, I'm wondering how this process takes place in others' relationships.  Anyone feel like sharing?
Thank you..........slave luci  

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 4:36:16 PM   
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great question slave luci. in our union, when my Master makes such a decision, sometimes he gives an explaination, sometimes not. if it's something that really upsets me in more of an angry way (which would be very rare but anywho), he won't bother to explain anything because he doesn't like drama and tension. if his decision is one which makes me very sad/depressed, then usually he will take the time to explain why to me. and sometimes the explaination is simply "because that's what i want," and he is not doing what is "best" for me as a person but rather what is most desireable for him as Master. and of course that's his perogative, we aren't in a union in which the Master always has the slave's best interest at heart. sometimes he will say, "i know this will hurt you, i know it is difficult and that you will suffer, but it is what i want/need right now, so that is the way it will be," and i can accept that because i accept being his property. eventually it (whatever the particular circumstance may be) will be over and there will be brighter days.

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 4:47:19 PM   
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great question slave luci

Thank you, daddysprop.  I really am curious to hear how it works for others.
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 in our union, when my Master makes such a decision, sometimes he gives an explaination, sometimes not. if it's something that really upsets me in more of an angry way (which would be very rare but anywho), he won't bother to explain anything because he doesn't like drama and tension.

Makes sense.
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 if his decision is one which makes me very sad/depressed, then usually he will take the time to explain why to me. and sometimes the explaination is simply "because that's what i want,"

That works for me - at least it's honest.
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and he is not doing what is "best" for me as a person but rather what is most desireable for him as Master. and of course that's his perogative, we aren't in a union in which the Master always has the slave's best interest at heart.

Here is where it's different for me.  I think Master would say that He does what is desirable for Him in that, by doing what is best for me, He is pleased.  As you say, it's the master's perogative.
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 sometimes he will say, "i know this will hurt you, i know it is difficult and that you will suffer, but it is what i want/need right now, so that is the way it will be,"

Again - very honest for sure.
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and i can accept that because i accept being his property.

Exactly.  As long as you were aware that's how things would be, then it's probably not a big surprise when it happens.  I would have to concur that being "property" does entail living with decisions one may not necessarily like on occasion.
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eventually it (whatever the particular circumstance may be) will be over and there will be brighter days.

True, but now I'm picturing (and hearing - thanks a lot) - Annie singing "Tomorrow"......lol.  Thanks for the response......slave luci

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 4:49:53 PM   
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we equally share in all decisions excluding ones which involve my UMs.  Daddy only has general interest in thei well being however since i'm their sole guardian (ex gave up all rights for good reason), i make all final decisions.

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 4:50:07 PM   
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eeek!!! no one deserves to have that song playing in their head. my sincere apologies, lol

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 4:57:30 PM   
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It depends on my mood and what I am saying yes or no to. Sometimes I explain my reasons, other times I do not.
 
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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:04:26 PM   
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I think it's best to explain one's reasons, especially if a slave asks for them.  Of course there's always a better time and a worse time to do that, and it's up to the master to choose the right time.

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:06:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci
To all you subs/slaves out there whose Dom/me or Master/Mistress does have such final authority in all/most matters, when they make a decision that you find painful (and one different from what you would have decided), do they explain why to you? 


It is my pleasure to provide food for thought.

No, he does not always explain his motivations or reasons for a decision even if they are painful ones.  Sometimes having an explanation does not always help especially since he can be very blunt and direct.

The recent decision was one of those times.  His and Alandra's eldest daughter had to be taken to the hospital for appendicitis and have surgery that day.  The family is extremely important to me and I wanted to be there for them.  It was a way for me to show my love for them and for their girl.  I found all the information for the flight but he would not let my buy the ticket.  The reason for his decision was that I was not needed there and it would sacrifice quality time of future visits.  If things took a turn for the worse then he would have me come up, but it was a simple procedure and the only one she needed was her mom. 

This was a time when the explanation of why hurt almost as much as the decision itself.  Also, their daughter was relieved that I was not coming up; when she found out I was not coming her response was "Good, that means it is not serious."  His decision and my obedience had a very positive emotional benefit for her.

Other times when he does explain his reasons it is usually because he thinks I need the information in order to carry out his will.  There are decisions that he makes that require thought and planning on my part and sometimes having his reasons assists me with making what he wants happen. 

Then there are times he will explain his reasons to help me get past the painful feelings.  In the beginning of our relationship that occurred more often and not so often now.  At first I was also allowed to ask for permission to ask why.  He allowed me to do this so that I could better understand him and his motivations.  These days I rarely even wonder why he is making a decision. 


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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:08:16 PM   
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I am under no obligation to give my sub an explanation, however I do because I want him to understand how I came to reach the decision. I want him to know that there was some rationale behind it and not just some "whim". I rarely, if ever,do things on a whim, it just is not my style.

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:14:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247
eeek!!! no one deserves to have that song playing in their head. my sincere apologies, lol

How true....I mean I may be into some pain, but geesh not that.....luci

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:15:57 PM   
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quote:

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It depends on my mood and what I am saying yes or no to. Sometimes I explain my reasons, other times I do not. 
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Clear and simple enough.  Thanks.........luci

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:24:25 PM   
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No, he does not always explain his motivations or reasons for a decision even if they are painful ones.  Sometimes having an explanation does not always help especially since he can be very blunt and direct

No?  Knight, direct and blunt?  Seriously, though, when you get right down to it, what better way is there to be? 
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This was a time when the explanation of why hurt almost as much as the decision itself.  Also, their daughter was relieved that I was not coming up; when she found out I was not coming her response was "Good, that means it is not serious."  His decision and my obedience had a very positive emotional benefit for her.

You know, I never thought about the fact that the explanation could hurt as much or worse than the decision.  Definitely something to keep in mind.  How wonderful that the decision and your adherence to it benefitted her more than you actually being there.  That probably would have scared her to see you there and make her falsely fear that it was more serious than it was. 
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Other times when he does explain his reasons it is usually because he thinks I need the information in order to carry out his will.  There are decisions that he makes that require thought and planning on my part and sometimes having his reasons assists me with making what he wants happen

This makes great sense.  I can see the reasoning behind this.
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Then there are times he will explain his reasons to help me get past the painful feelings.

I think this is the angle I was most coming from in forming the question.  When a Dom/Master sees those painful feelings, does he then desire to explain?  But you brought up several other scenarios that I had not thought about. 
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In the beginning of our relationship that occurred more often and not so often now.  At first I was also allowed to ask for permission to ask why.  He allowed me to do this so that I could better understand him and his motivations.  These days I rarely even wonder why he is making a decision. 

Great to hear.  I would have to say the same.  Over time as I have become more deeply aware of Master's ways, it has become less and less needful to form or ask such questions.  Thanks for inspiring the question and for the great answer.................luci

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:26:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lashra
I am under no obligation to give my sub an explanation, however I do because I want him to understand how I came to reach the decision. I want him to know that there was some rationale behind it and not just some "whim". I rarely, if ever,do things on a whim, it just is not my style.

I think my Master would agree with your reasoning as well, Lashra.  He knows He doesn't have to explain either but, like you, He wants me to understand that He's not just doing it because He can.  He's not a "whim" type of guy, either.  Thanks for the answer........luci

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:34:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
No, he does not always explain his motivations or reasons for a decision even if they are painful ones.  Sometimes having an explanation does not always help especially since he can be very blunt and direct

No?  Knight, direct and blunt?  Seriously, though, when you get right down to it, what better way is there to be? 


Actually, he is mellowing with age.  *g*

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Then there are times he will explain his reasons to help me get past the painful feelings.

I think this is the angle I was most coming from in forming the question.  When a Dom/Master sees those painful feelings, does he then desire to explain?  But you brought up several other scenarios that I had not thought about. 


He will do so only if he wishes to help me get past the feelings.  He does it to show me the thought process that he wants me to have that will lead to acceptance.  Many times he wants me to work it through on my own; he does not want me to rely on him to find the path to accpetance; he wants me to be able to get there myself after he has shown me the way.  

It is the difference between fishing for me and teaching me to fish. 

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:52:56 PM   
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.....  The reason for his decision was that I was not needed there and ....


At the risk of Highjacking... I want to make a comment to the above.... that is related to asking Why.

I can appreciate that any person.. Dominant and submissive alike have a desire to feel needed.  The unfortunate reality is that we are not needed all the time.  For submissives in general, this in of itself can be somewhat difficult to deal with.  But, it something I believe they should confront and accept as a reality in their world..... "I am Not NEEDED at ALL Times"

It is my feeling that a sure way to spoil/ruin an incredible submissive is allowing them to develop a belief that they are Needed at All Times.   It may seem like a harmless to some... to me it sets the foundation of disappoints/struggles to decisions in the future.

Sometimes it is very necessary to "express a Why" that deflates the ego in such a manner that it actually builds Humility.  I would of done no favors to Kyra if I protected her from the reasons of why she couldn't fly to Edmonton.  In fact... the experience was a great character building opportunity.  There was a time that her confidence in being needed in my life was not as strong as it is now.  There was a time that to hear she wasn't needed would of been extremely stressful and result in alot of emotionally consequences.  However, she has reached a level of confidence in our relationship that allows her to hear and accept a decision and the reason with grace.. even if it wasn't what she would of liked to hear.  She should be looking at the experience with pride.  She should be looking at it as another moment that reflects the growth she has achieved in the past couple of years as my slave. 

I am proud of her.. she demonstrated her submission with Grace!

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:56:14 PM   
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My x sometimes wouldn't explain, I think that James would though.He knows that knowing why is important to me,
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So, my question is this:  To all you subs/slaves out there whose Dom/me or Master/Mistress does have such final authority in all/most matters, when they make a decision that you find painful (and one different from what you would have decided), do they explain why to you? 


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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 5:58:42 PM   
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When my partner told me he wanted to do a total career change after we moved to Austin.  I accepted it.  I accepted it knowing full well his age, our change in locations and many other things would make this a harder endeavor than it already was.  I accepted it without condition.

I did ASK for explanation and received what he had- and still didn't really "get it" and don't fully to this day.

But I still accepted it.  And wouldn't dream of diong anything to deny him something that was obviously what he needed for himself.  I didn't need an explanation- I only needed to look into his eyes and know he was speaking his truth.

Though I'm not his slave that most of these posters are so take that for what it is.

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 6:04:47 PM   
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Though I'm not his slave that most of these posters are so take that for what it is.


well..... you might not be his slave... but.. it was clear to see that you care very deeply for him.

One of the things that is rather elusive in some situations on the boards is being able to see the emotional aspects of a person's personality.  Sometimes you need to see the person... and what is not seen in font so clearly becomes very clear with a glance or a smile here and there. 

I would say to take with value for it is worth much in my eyes.

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 6:08:57 PM   
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He explains why to me in almost all circumstances. I really can't remember a time that he didn't although he certainly has the right not to and I will obey whatever decision he makes if it falls under his control.

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RE: Do you get an explanation? - 6/27/2007 6:16:05 PM   
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Sometimes the explanation is "because that is how it is". I accept that and move on. I don't feel that he owes me an explanation. If he wants to give me one then fine. I trust his decisions whatever it might be. It might be a painful one for me or something I do not care so much for. I know he is going to decide what he feels is right. I can ask respectfully for an explanation. I might get one or I might not. I certainly do not feel I am owed an explanation.

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