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Lewcifer -> When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 2:51:00 PM)
I have serious questions I'd like to ask all subs... I'm building a special torture toy, for use by My slave wife and various other submissives. Without going into great detail, it is a predicament bondage toy with delayed cross-sub feedback. In short, this means the actions of one sub has a delayed effect on the other sub, creating a feedback loop that requires skill to master and control. Add to this the fact that there will be various other subs hooked up to My slave (one at a time), and it makes mastery/control almost impossible. Now, here are My questions... 1) Assuming you were completely bound and/or restrained, and had a Hitachi Wand or Eroscillator pressing directly on your clit in a way which made it impossible to disengage it... how long could you go with the vibrator on full-power before having to yell the safe-word? 2) Would you have to stop because of physical exhaustion from all the orgasms, or because after a while it starts becoming painful if the vibrator is never let up? This is very important in helping me gauge perspective - please answer as completely and accurately as possible. 3) Would you be able to "complete the whole ride" without eventually twitching or convulsing from orgasm? My new device incorporates vibration sensors (tummy and upper thighs) to, in effect, detect twitching that results from stimulation. Regardless of the cause, twitching results in cross-sub punishment. In case you're curious, My device attempts to measure your twitches/movement and converts them into stim-time (via the vibrator or other toys) for the other sub. The length of time you twitch multiplied by the intensity of your twitches determines the stim-time for the other sub's vibrator. A few twitches might add up to a minute of stim time for the other sub... causing her to twitch, which then adds up to more stim time for you. There's a built-in ramp-up to ensure that as the evening progresses, even small movements result in longer and longer stim times for the other sub. In a future design, I'm going to have it ramp in other stims such as electro (TENS, etc) and maybe even a mechanical penetrator (vaginal and/or anal)... but, first things first!

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 3:09:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lewcifer 1) Assuming you were completely bound and/or restrained, and had a Hitachi Wand or Eroscillator pressing directly on your clit in a way which made it impossible to disengage it... how long could you go with the vibrator on full-power before having to yell the safe-word? I could go until I passed out. I'd WANT to stop after about 20 minutes- but I've known women who go for over an hour. It also depends on if you are doing it directly on the clit or on the clit hood. quote: 2) Would you have to stop because of physical exhaustion from all the orgasms, or because after a while it starts becoming painful if the vibrator is never let up? This is very important in helping me gauge perspective - please answer as completely and accurately as possible. Both. quote: 3) Would you be able to "complete the whole ride" without eventually twitching or convulsing from orgasm? My new device incorporates vibration sensors (tummy and upper thighs) to, in effect, detect twitching from orgasm or as a result of trying to fight off orgasm. Twitches don't necessarily mean orgasm OR fighting orgasm. For me, no I don't think it would be possible to orgasm without movement of some sort.

RCdc -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 3:22:08 PM)
quote: 1) Assuming you were completely bound and/or restrained, and had a Hitachi Wand or Eroscillator pressing directly on your clit in a way which made it impossible to disengage it... how long could you go with the vibrator on full-power before having to yell the safe-word? .Dark. writing here - We do not use safewords. However, until I passed out most probably. quote: 2) Would you have to stop because of physical exhaustion from all the orgasms, or because after a while it starts becoming painful if the vibrator is never let up? This is very important in helping me gauge perspective - please answer as completely and accurately as possible. Physical exhaustion yes - not just from orgasm however. I don't really suffer 'pain' from over stimulation - so that would be a no - unless the vibe is badly positioned. quote: 3) Would you be able to "complete the whole ride" without eventually twitching or convulsing from orgasm? My new device incorporates vibration sensors (tummy and upper thighs) to, in effect, detect twitching from orgasm or as a result of trying to fight off orgasm. Completely depends on whats required and length of 'ride time'. Twitching doesn't occur only during orgasm or fighting orgasm either - so I don't see how it can judge from that. I can pretty much orgasm with little thigh or tummy movement - but again, I dont see twitching as orgasm related. Peace the.dark.

catize -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 3:35:29 PM)
Clitoral stimulation that is too intense or prolonged causes painful and unpleasant orgasms for me. When this was tried on me I felt violated and I shut-down physically as well as mentally.

Lewcifer -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 3:44:07 PM)
I've edited My original post to be more specific, and to correct some generalizations. The section in question now reads, "My new device incorporates vibration sensors (tummy and upper thighs) to, in effect, detect twitching that results from stimulation. Regardless of the cause, twitching results in cross-sub punishment." What I didn't mention is that the whole feedback process is initially set in motion by an external event... such as Me flogging one of the subs, use of the purple wand, tickling or just about anything that will make her twitch. If the subs are too well behaved, I can of course jump in again any time and ensure things continue to "buzz" often. As for "going the whole ride" and what length of time is involved... basically until My wife or the other sub utters the safe-word. I'm hoping for at least an hour, if not two, of intermittent hard-core direct-contact vibrator-clit action. The frequency of it (eg, two minutes on, one minute off) all depends on how well the subs can control their twitching (which includes tummy twitches caused by taking quick breaths) when their turn rolls around.

mistoferin -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 3:44:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lewcifer 1) Assuming you were completely bound and/or restrained, and had a Hitachi Wand or Eroscillator pressing directly on your clit in a way which made it impossible to disengage it... how long could you go with the vibrator on full-power before having to yell the safe-word? My ex used to love this form of play. I've never gotten to where I've felt a need to safe word from it though and we've done it for multiple hours. quote: 2) Would you have to stop because of physical exhaustion from all the orgasms, or because after a while it starts becoming painful if the vibrator is never let up? This is very important in helping me gauge perspective - please answer as completely and accurately as possible. It can be exhausting to orgasm over and over for hours. As for it being painful, I have never had that experience. What I have found with vibrating toys such as that, after a period of time you become somewhat numb. After the first couple of hours of orgasm it begins to leave you hanging right on the edge of orgasm but not quite able to go over the top....which can be quite maddening.[;)] quote: 3) Would you be able to "complete the whole ride" without eventually twitching or convulsing from orgasm? My new device incorporates vibration sensors (tummy and upper thighs) to, in effect, detect twitching (such as from orgasm or as a result of trying to fight off orgasm). Regardless of the cause, twitching results in cross-sub punishment. Is the ride an evening or a weekend? LOL. Several hours would not pose too large of a difficulty for me. I also have to agree with the others, twitches don't necessarily mean orgasm or fighting orgasm (which honestly, I think would be an exercise in futility so why bother?). That said though, my ex was also fond of trying to get me to orgasm without moving at all....which I have personally found to be impossible.

Lewcifer -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 3:59:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin It can be exhausting to orgasm over and over for hours. As for it being painful, I have never had that experience. What I have found with vibrating toys such as that, after a period of time you become somewhat numb. After the first couple of hours of orgasm it begins to leave you hanging right on the edge of orgasm but not quite able to go over the top....which can be quite maddening. Good point... some subs, unlike My wife, can take hours and hours of direct (and intense) clitoral stimulation (we're talking Hitachi Wand or Eroscillator here)! Let me ask you, in particular, these added questions... 1) What if, let's say in your case, it was stepped up with electrical stim? Remember... the stim would be proportional to the other sub's twitches (including minor tummy movements such as from short breaths). 2) What type of electrode placement would likely result in real-life twiching from you? Remember... there's a Hitachi Wand bound to your clit, so access is somewhat limited (anal and vaginal electrodes could still be inserted, however)? 3) What would send you over the edge (in addition to the Wand)? High-speed mechanical penetration? Anal penetration? I'm looking for things which can be automated, for the most part. Thanks for your feedback, by the way... this is very helpful in avoiding mistakes prior to prototyping!

RCdc -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 3:59:18 PM)
I pretty much agree with erin on the time frame. An hour or two wouldn't be a problem for me - several hours would work pretty good. Consistant and on/off stimulation makes me numb over time as well and wouldn't cause pain and by that point safewords are pretty much useless for me. Peace the.dark.

Lewcifer -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 4:11:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark I pretty much agree with erin on the time frame. An hour or two wouldn't be a problem for me - several hours would work pretty good. Consistant and on/off stimulation makes me numb over time as well and wouldn't cause pain and by that point safewords are pretty much useless for me. Would you mind answering these new set of questions as well... 1) What if, let's say in your case, it was stepped up with electrical stim? Remember... the stim would be proportional to the other sub's twitches (including minor tummy movements such as from short breaths). 2) What type of electrode placement would likely result in real-life twiching from you? Remember... there's a Hitachi Wand bound to your clit, so access is somewhat limited (anal and vaginal electrodes could still be inserted, however). 3) What would send you over the edge (in addition to the Wand)? High-speed mechanical penetration? Anal penetration? I'm looking for things which can be automated, for the most part. Thank you!

RCdc -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 4:29:45 PM)
Electrical stim in this scenario probably wouldn't be much use to me. When speaking Electrode placement that depends - are you speaking TENS? Because that will automatically contract muscles(tummy and back wise) anyway so automatic twitching/movement would occur, but the electrode stimulous would kind of counteract it? Am I making any sense here or waffling[;)]? Smaller electrical stimulation placed on the breast and nipple area would be the only thing that I would personally think would be an advantage and that could be more painful on orgasm than anything else and be an over the edge example. I know you have probably thought of this already - but remember to check that anyone you are playing with whilst using electrodes do not suffer from any heart or blood pressure problems etc (I just felt I needed to mention that as a safety issue - hope thats was ok). Peace the.dark.

mistoferin -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 4:37:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lewcifer 1) What if, let's say in your case, it was stepped up with electrical stim? Remember... the stim would be proportional to the other sub's twitches (including minor tummy movements such as from short breaths). There is a Dominant who I play with who has a rather antiquated piece of equipment called a Relaxacizor. It was originally marketed in the 60's as a dietary aid that women attached to their stomachs to exercise their stomachs. It is far more intense than a tens unit or a wand and the current penetrates more deeply. quote: 2) What type of electrode placement would likely result in real-life twiching from you? Remember... there's a Hitachi Wand bound to your clit, so access is somewhat limited (anal and vaginal electrodes could still be inserted, however)? Maybe I was unclear. I didn't mean to suggest that I don't experience twitching...only that twitching is not a definite indicator. With the machine I described I found the optimal placement to consist of one electrode attached across the top portion of the clit hood and the other attached in the perineal area. This created an internal "arc" of powerful current that goes through the clit and the outer few inches of the vagina producing poweful spasms and instant and prolonged orgasm. This is not a sensation that I found I could become numb to. quote: 3) What would send you over the edge (in addition to the Wand)? High-speed mechanical penetration? Anal penetration? I'm looking for things which can be automated, for the most part. Honestly, I don't need much to send me over the edge. With the type of play I described it is not difficult for me to experience orgasms every few minutes for the duration of the play, numbering over 100 would not be uncommon for me. It's really, really good to be me! [image]http://lab-retriever.net/board/images/smilies/jumpy.gif[/image]

texancutie -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 5:23:13 PM)
Very interesting post. It caught my eye. We do direct clitoral stimulation via the Hitachi and electrical stimulation as well concurrently. All I know is that I can take a lot of it and it really does not become truly painful...at least not yet anyway. Haven't reached that wall yet, to know if or when it will happen. Plus different things affect you on different days as well. Though, I have become exhausted to the point of almost passing out. Well its more of a peaceful thing, not a bad kind of passing out...kind of like a blissing out. Needed to make sure that I clarified there...lol. But I am well watched for any signs of distress or duress. Guess with the machine you describe, the other sub would have to "twitch or move" alot, not to mention the adjustment of frequency would have to be addressed as well. Now that is something that could turn unenjoyable...if the frequency was way too high. We really don't mess with electrodes much, because he has one of the best high tech electrical units on the market. Many of the attachments are insertable and can be used at the same time in order to cause sensation in each place they are inserted. The insertables mimic exactly what they are supposed to mimic and then some, so it gets really intense with the Hitatchi used as well. Along with frequency adjust of course. Then there are the programs like the climb program and the orgasm program...woohoo! I have been hooked up to the machine along with another sub for both of our Dominant's enjoyment, but we loved it too. We of course felt the same things because it was not the kind of adapted machine you are decribing building. If you ever build that thing, I would love to hear more about it.

SirStephan55 -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 5:30:12 PM)
I would be very curious to know what TENS unit are you using and what attachments

texancutie -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 5:36:34 PM)
I believe it is the Erostek ET-312 and he has purchased a ton of attachments like the g-spot stimulator, silicone dildos, the egg and a number of other items to enhance the experience. I will have to ask him tomorrow if I got the unit model right.

Littlepita -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 8:14:34 PM)
God I love the Hitachi!! He has said that he wants to strap me down and see how much I could take. Right now I can have multiple orgasms and go for about 20 to 30 minutes. by then my clit will get sore and I want it off. However, easing up on the pressure and letting me rest for a few seconds could work to keep me going much longer. Being painful really depends on if it is used directly on the clit for too long.

skaterboy -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 8:20:18 PM)
C'mon...all orgaisms are torture, aren't they? Some are good, some are bad, some just leaving you wanting for more...and no more is to cum. So, my question is "why complain?" It will only get you more torture and oraisms..... whoops, now I get it[;)]

LotusSong -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 8:30:49 PM)
You will get a better result if you lay the vibrator firmly along side of the clit, not directly on it. The high vis extremely intense and will numb the clit quickly. I suggest you use the other setting.

AquaticSub -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 8:52:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lewcifer Now, here are My questions... 1) Assuming you were completely bound and/or restrained, and had a Hitachi Wand or Eroscillator pressing directly on your clit in a way which made it impossible to disengage it... how long could you go with the vibrator on full-power before having to yell the safe-word? Depends on how attentive you were. If you came by and added lube to the area when it was needed, I could go a long time. I have gone an hour and a half with direct clitoral stimulation from a very nice jackrabbit. quote: 2) Would you have to stop because of physical exhaustion from all the orgasms, or because after a while it starts becoming painful if the vibrator is never let up? This is very important in helping me gauge perspective - please answer as completely and accurately as possible. Like I said, if you don't lube the area from time to time the area can get painful. At least my body doesn't produce lube up there naturally, once that is gone - it turns into a painful torment. Personally, I never orgasm from clitoral stimulation from a vib alone. I just lay there in torment and eventually my eyes will tear up from the torment. That is when Valyraen usually lets me loose. quote: 3) Would you be able to "complete the whole ride" without eventually twitching or convulsing from orgasm? My new device incorporates vibration sensors (tummy and upper thighs) to, in effect, detect twitching that results from stimulation. Regardless of the cause, twitching results in cross-sub punishment. Well... yes. The rare time I have a solely clitoral orgasm it is from manual manipulation. Never from a vibe.

adoracat -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/28/2007 11:31:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lewcifer I've edited My original post to be more specific, and to correct some generalizations. The section in question now reads, "My new device incorporates vibration sensors (tummy and upper thighs) to, in effect, detect twitching that results from stimulation. Regardless of the cause, twitching results in cross-sub punishment." What I didn't mention is that the whole feedback process is initially set in motion by an external event... such as Me flogging one of the subs, use of the purple wand, tickling or just about anything that will make her twitch. If the subs are too well behaved, I can of course jump in again any time and ensure things continue to "buzz" often. As for "going the whole ride" and what length of time is involved... basically until My wife or the other sub utters the safe-word. I'm hoping for at least an hour, if not two, of intermittent hard-core direct-contact vibrator-clit action. The frequency of it (eg, two minutes on, one minute off) all depends on how well the subs can control their twitching (which includes tummy twitches caused by taking quick breaths) when their turn rolls around. not for me. i am physically unable to control my twitching because of illness....i have pseudo-seizures, muscle spasms, nerve misfires. so no, this would be not something i would do because i could NOT control my physical reactions and it would be setting me up to consistantly fail. kitten, whose Sir accepeted her despite her flaws

pussinbootz -> RE: When Orgasm Turns Into Torture (6/29/2007 12:39:44 AM)
for me, a relative noob, I would probably last moments before I was safewording.. a clotoral orgasm takes me over the edhe and anything beyond is agony. Putting my hand up for the women who can't cope with this.[sm=hello.gif]

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